Do Capitalists Produce Nothing?

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Mises Daily: Thursday, May 06, 2010 by D.W. MacKenzie

Chris Matthews

The subprime crisis left many Americans wary of financial markets and capitalist financiers. In his recent speech President Obama blamed Wall Street, and to a lesser extent Main Street, for the 2008 crisis. According to this speech, Washington bears little or no responsibility for the 2008 crisis.

Obama is not alone in blaming Wall Street for the state of the economy. Chris Matthews recently vented his own anger toward financial tycoons and free enterprise. According to Matthews, our system gives the largest rewards to the least productive people: hedge-fund investors. The most successful hedge-fund investors made two to four billion dollars last year.

According to Matthews, these investors create nothing real, "not steel, not cars, not computers, not even movies"; they only make money for themselves. The gains of these investors supposedly come from the working poor and middle class who live paycheck to paycheck. Matthews has misled his audience in this matter.

Some of these hedge-fund investors lost money in 2008, so their long-term gains are not as high as they might seem. However, this fact does not negate Matthews's basic argument about transfers. What does Matthews see as the solution to the alleged problem? He has high hopes for the new financial regulations that Congress will vote on this year.

Is Matthews correct? Should government increase regulation of all financial markets to get back at the most successful hedge-fund investors? Given the assumption that these investors make literally nothing, the correct measure would be to expropriate their unearned income. If Matthews had really thought things through, he would have joined Marx in condemning at least these capitalists. Of course, if Matthews had thought things through, he might have also realized that his assumption that hedge-fund investors produce nothing is never true.

Investors have two functions in modern economies. First, they defer consumption to invest in future production. The only reason that workers are able to produce steel, cars, or anything else is that someone saved and invested in real capital equipment in industry.

Most everybody saves some money in one way or another. However, a disproportionate amount of investment in capital comes from a relatively small number of wealthy persons who refrain from spending their fortunes. Without the capital accumulation achieved in modern capitalism, people would not be living from paycheck to paycheck as workers, but from harvest to harvest as peasants.

"Without the capital accumulation of modern capitalism, people would not be living from paycheck to paycheck as workers, but from harvest to harvest as peasants."

Deferring consumption might be regarded by some as easy. Billionaires can live well on only their dividend and interest income. This argument is a non sequitur, as rewards in markets derive from results rather than from efforts. The fact is that most contemporary Americans save and invest a small percentage of their income. We need capitalists to expand their portfolios to finance investment in real capital. To the extent that hedge funds are invested in productive capital, these investors earn their incomes.

Capitalists also perform the more challenging and controversial task of predicting future trends in the economy. The composition of any investor's portfolio is determined by their expectations as to which investments will pay the highest returns. This is a challenging task because market trends are hard to predict. Bill Gates saw the potential for developing Windows software. Henry Ford saw potential in developing automobile assembly lines.

Hedge-fund investors are not so directly involved in developing actual products, and this is perhaps the main source of Matthews's confusion. Stock investing is not a pure monetary transfer. Stock investors earn money by pressuring executives to plan production efficiently. Bond investors also earn money by pressuring executives at leveraged companies. Commodity investors earn money by ensuring the incomes of farmers, miners, and other people who manage the production of "real goods."

Investors do not produce any actual physical product; they make the planning of production more rational. The efforts of "workers who produce real goods" are wasted if production plans are defective. Matthews does not see how successful capitalists can shift production toward goods that consumers want most urgently. Profits derive from the sale of goods that garner the highest revenues from consumers over costs. Few people can predict market trends. Investors can earn or lose billions because their decisions determine whether the work of millions of ordinary people is productive or a waste of time.

The idea that wealthy investors earn their fortunes is controversial, but not because the role of capitalists in a free market is in doubt. Matthews refers to the American economy as a free-enterprise system. Given the tone of his comment, it would seem that he is not completely serious.

"Media personalities who, like Chris Matthews, advocate intervention are almost certainly more responsible for these problems than are hedge-fund investors."

David Tepper made four billion dollars investing last year. Tepper bet that the state would bail out many banks and the insurance giant AIG. This was a lucrative investment, but it did come at the expense of a broad segment of American society. The bailouts that enriched Tepper did not actually come at the expense of workers, but from taxpayers. With an income-tax system, taxpayers are workers, but that is not the main point. Matthews framed the hedge-fund issue as a worker-versus-capitalist problem that could be remedied by government regulation.

Matthews seems to half-realize that the government made Tepper richer with its bailouts. Yet he wants to blame Tepper for taking taxpayer-funded bailout money, but not the government for giving this money away in the first place! Worse still, Matthews trusts the institution (the federal government) that handed out taxpayer money to Tepper, among others, in order to provide a solution to the problem that it caused by regulating financial markets.

Matthews might argue that these incomes are unearned, but he is still wrong in his characterization of this activity as unproductive and purely monetary. Bailouts and corporate welfare encourage excessive risk taking and outright waste. To the extent that capitalists like Tepper participate in the subsidization of industry, they are not merely transferring income: they are causing the planning of production to deteriorate.

If Matthews understood the economics of public policy he would see how regulations and bailouts create perverse incentives for management. Investors who lobby for intervention do not just make money. Stock investors make money from capital gains during booms financed by the Federal Reserve, and can also profit by selling short if they anticipate the Fed raising interest rates. Shrewd investors can profit from any type of intervention, but this is not a pure money transfer.

Booms, busts, and bailouts correspond to inefficient production plans. To the extent that capitalists lobby for intervention that distorts markets, they help produce defective production plans. This is not just an income transfer to a few investors but an overall loss of economic efficiency. Hedge-fund investors are already thinking about how they can profit from new regulations, and Matthews is facilitating the process by which they can increase their ill-gotten gains.

Matthews says that we nicely call this system, which gives billions to those who produce nothing, "free enterprise." He could not be more wrong. All capitalists produce something. Capitalists who improve production plans serve the needs of consumers and produce economic progress. This is how the system that we accurately call "free enterprise" actually works. Capitalists who participate in the redistribution of wealth through government policy produce disruptive production plans and economic waste. That is how the system that we accurately call "crony capitalism" works.

The idea that capitalists produce purely monetary transfers is nonsense. All incomes affect production in either a positive or a negative way. Hedge-fund investors either earn fortunes through private speculation or help to disrupt production through state intervention. Of course, we can't simply blame hedge-fund investors for intervention. Media personalities who, like Chris Matthews, advocate intervention are almost certainly more responsible for these problems than are hedge-fund investors.

Obama offered a few positive remarks about financial markets in his speech. Unfortunately, Obama seems to embrace the utterly unrealistic view that regulation of executive salaries and bonuses is necessary for the free operation of financial markets. Worse still, Obama seems unaware of both the role that Federal Reserve Bank regulation of interest rates and the monetary base played in financing the subprime boom and bust, and of the numerous Federal policies that promoted subprime lending.

The biased and confused perspectives taken by Matthews and Obama lead both of them to see federal regulation as the way to prevent future crises, rather than as the primary cause of past crises. The good news is that Matthews merely expresses an uniformed opinion, one that likely has no real consequence. The bad news is that Obama is all too capable of transforming his opinions into real public policies.

Read more: Do Capitalists Produce Nothing? - D.W. MacKenzie - Mises Institute http://mises.org/daily/4303#ixzz0nAvlkQsL

its long sure. but assuming you read at a half competent rate it wont take long at all. I can assure you it will be well worth your time.
 
i think we should all just become communists, i mean it worked out great with the USSR and China has definitely been going downhill since becoming more capitalistic
 
they produce heaping landfills, islands of plastic and corrupted materialistic minds. the main goal of business it to create more business. i didnt read the article by the way.
 
man some of you guys have totally drank the ron paul kool aid.
mises institute is spinning this issue, and they have reason to : they back ron paul.
this is an opinion piece from the ron paul worshippers.
I strongly encourage you dudes to read LOTS of different perspectives on these important issues, but always be a little skeptical and question the source.

 
well i dont really think he needed to throw in that bit about Obama at the end. kinda seemed like a cheap shot to me.

overall he shoulda just kept it a "Mathews hit piece" lol

overall i think its spot on. :)

feel free to offer your critic, ill probably give the article a spirited defense, or at the very least the ideas contained in it :)

It also kinda skirts the issue of class warfare and envy in the US today. I mean lets face it, its fashionable to hate people that have more than you ;)
 
not always surprisingly enough. :)

check out the "imma fix the economy mmka" thread i made.

its for teh lulz. well if theyre your kind of lulz. they are mine.
 
and this is straight stupid. the current economic crisis was not caused by regulation.
it was very clearly caused by DE-regulation.
specifically, the new allowance in 2001 (I think, maybe 02 or 03?) of firms to ignore traditional lending criteria, ie ability to repay, credit worthiness, etc, in favor of ability to repackage and sell the loans.
and in 2004, SEC basically suspends the net capital rule for 5 firms, allowing them to leverage up to 40 to 1!!!!!
relaxing of the regulations got us where are, at least in part.
dont drink the kool aid!!!
 
thats what youre for.

i think of you as my NS counter weight. :)

IMO up for debate is the bit about regulation VS de regulation causing the "economic downturn"
 
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WASHINGTON—The U.S. economy ceased to function this week after unexpected existential remarks by Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke shocked Americans into realizing that money is, in fact, just a meaningless and intangible social construct.

Calling it "basically no more than five rectangular strips of paper," Fed chairman Ben Bernanke illustrates how much "$200" is actually worth.

What began as a routine report before the Senate Finance Committee Tuesday ended with Bernanke passionately disavowing the entire concept of currency, and negating in an instant the very foundation of the world's largest economy.

"Though raising interest rates is unlikely at the moment, the Fed will of course act appropriately if we…if we…" said Bernanke, who then paused for a moment, looked down at his prepared statement, and shook his head in utter disbelief. "You know what? It doesn't matter. None of this—this so-called 'money'—really matters at all."

"It's just an illusion," a wide-eyed Bernanke added as he removed bills from his wallet and slowly spread them out before him. "Just look at it: Meaningless pieces of paper with numbers printed on them. Worthless."

According to witnesses, Finance Committee members sat in thunderstruck silence for several moments until Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) finally shouted out, "Oh my God, he's right. It's all a mirage. All of it—the money, our whole economy—it's all a lie!"

Screams then filled the Senate Chamber as lawmakers and members of the press ran for the exits, leaving in their wake aisles littered with the remains of torn currency.

U.S. markets closed as traders left their jobs and resolved for once to do or make something, anything of real value.

As news of the nation's collectively held delusion spread, the economy ground to a halt, with dumbfounded citizens everywhere walking out on their jobs as they contemplated the little green drawings of buildings and dead white men they once used to measure their adequacy and importance as human beings.

At the New York Stock Exchange, Wednesday morning's opening bell echoed across a silent floor as the few traders who arrived for work out of habit looked up blankly at the meaningless scrolling numbers on the flashing screens above.

"I've spent 25 years in this room yelling 'Buy, buy! Sell, sell!' and for what?" longtime trader Michael Palermo said. "All I've done is move arbitrary designations of wealth from one column to another, wasting my life chasing this unattainable hallucination of wealth."

"What a cruel cosmic joke," he added. "I'm going home to hug my daughter."

Sources at the White House said President Obama was "still trying to get his head around all this" and was in seclusion with his coin collection, muttering "it's just metal, it's just metal" over and over again.

"The president will be making a statement very soon," press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters. "At the moment, though, his mind is just too blown to comment."

A few U.S. banks have remained open, though most teller windows are unmanned due to a lack of interest in transactions involving mere scraps of paper or, worse, decimal points and computer data signifying mere scraps of paper. At a Bank of America branch in Spokane, WA, curious former customers wandered aimlessly through a large empty vault, while several would-be robbers of a Chase bank in Columbus, OH reportedly put their guns down and exited the building hand in hand with security guards, laughing over the inherent absurdity of the idea of $100 bills.

Likewise, the real estate industry has all but vanished, with mortgage lenders seeing no reason to stop people from reclaiming their foreclosed-upon homes.

"I don't even know what we were thinking in the first place," said former banker Nathan Collins of Brandon, MS, as he jimmyed open a door to allow a single mother and her five children to move back into their house. "A bunch of people sign a bunch of papers, and now this family has no place to live? That's just plain ludicrous."

The realization that money is nothing more than an elaborate head game seems to have penetrated the entire country: In Wilmington, DE, for instance, a collection agent reportedly broke down in joyful sobs when he informed a woman on the other end of the phone that he had absolutely no reason to harass her anymore, as her Discover Card debt was no longer comprehensible.

For some Americans, the fog of disbelief surrounding the nation's epiphany has begun to lift, with many building new lives free from the illusion of money.

"It's back to basics for me," Bernard Polk of Waverly, OH said. "I'm going to till the soil for my own sustenance and get anything else I need by bartering. If I want milk, I'll pay for it in tomatoes. If need a new hoe, I'll pay for it in lettuce."

When asked, hypothetically, how he would pay for complicated life-saving surgery for a loved one, Polk seemed uncertain.

"That's a lot of vegetables, isn't it?" he said.
 
where are you getting these gems from?^^^^^

first the supreme court, and now this? what blog do you read? i want to read it. lol
 
OP. Great analysis. You obviously are much more educated on the current economic climate and the function of our financial sector than any of the haters who have posted. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid, anyone who can possibly take Mathew's side on this is a bobbing head.

Anyway I read it twice, really impressive.

SKS
 
after channel surfing last night and finding this buffoon id just like to remind everyone. he is the liberal equivalent of Sean Hannity, and is an utter moron.

That is all
 
ha ha ha ha

i dont think ive ever claimed to know more than anyone. well maybe except you,;) but thats because this post was nothing more than a tear me down post. without actually posing any sort of viable criticism or thought on the matter.

i never really offered any sort of analysis either. more a "look what interesting article i read today" see where it goes thread.

do i think you can take everything the author says as fact? no. do i think he has some concepts that are spot on? yes.
 
When a fool sees a system at fault, he slaves within it and makes a feeble attempt at changing it.When a sage sees a system at fault, he steps around it, and moves on.
[capitalism is, at this point, a system at fault]
 
Without reading that, obviously capitalists produce something. Everybody produces something, even if its only waste.
Plus I don't really think the arguments against capitalism are that it isn't efficient, its that it isn't fair. And its true, it isn't fair. I don't even think Bill O' Fuckey would argue that. Some people just think that unfair is better (generally because they got the good end of the stick).
Socialism would be nice (like really nice) but it wouldn't work with our current political system. I think the best we can hope for at this point is heavy, heavy government regulation of businesses. In a perfect world the government would take all of its attention away from fucking everything up for the population, and just focus on making sure that business isn't fucking everything up for the population.
 
sorta like biting the hand that feeds, cloths, and provides for your existence?

i think the article summed it up nicely when it stated that without capitalists that instead of living from paycheck to paycheck, the poor (whatever that means) would be living harvest to harvest.

can business do no wrong? absolutely NOT.

however, it begs the question, what is a business? is it not just a group of individuals who are presumably acting in their own justified self interest? is this a bad thing now? that the government must regulate it to such an extreme degree?

without business to provide the government the money it needs to function, how does the government function? make no mistake there is a tipping point where people will literally just give up and let the government sleep in the bed it made / is making.
 
No, its not always. Business like the above quoted is ideal, sound business. But when these people stop at nothing to keep moving further and further up the rungs with no regard for their own brothers? Thats not right, and thats whats been happening in modern AmericaCapitalism would be great if there were no human greed. Its actually just as flawed as communism, however the flaws, although just as deep, aren't as obvious.
 
what is greed?

is it greed that i work harder, produce MORE, reap more benefits?

is it greed to want more?

is it greed that i would like to make more money and live a more lavish lifestyle than i currently do?

you may call these things greed. (although make no mistake im not putting words in your mouth)

i would call these things a healthy self interest. something dare i say is commendable?

Greed, IMO is looking at what others have, and not wanting to earn those things for yourself, rather take them by force. I dont think its unrealistic to say the greediest SOB on the planet is the one that produces nothing, yet demand his brothers provide for him his sustenance. thats greed, taking something from someone by force.
 
YES!! Taking the words out of my mouth, well said.

And in addition to your response to SteezePowTrees, lots of people like to hate on the U.S. for being a greedy, self-interested crowd as a result of capitalism, and yet, we are the most charitable nation in the world. And that is purely based on private donations. That's not even counting the hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars that our government gives away in foreign aid. Wealth is not a bad or greedy thing, there just happen to be some people that are bad and greedy who are also wealthy. The vast majority of folks that are wealthy in this country, did it through hard, honest work. People like John Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and thousands of other famous business people were completely self made. Once they became billionaires, they founded charitable organizations, built schools, and donated to the needy. There is a reason that the U.S. is the most charitable and one of the wealthiest nations per capita in the world. And that reason is capitalism.
 
joke?????

you do realize that the ski industry is built on captalistic views and inniative, dont you?

saying we should all become communists destroys inniative, it stops people wanting to strive for more, and although it may seem somewhat more ethical if you delve into the roots of communism you will see that there is far more injustice
 
Self-sufficiency is the rhetoric I ride. The pursuit of luxury is purely materialistic, and has been woven into capitalism's fabric for a reason. When a society is based more on materials then they are on themselves, they go from being independent individuals to being consumers. The luxury mentality is part of what locks capitalists into this lifestyle; to consume, you must have money, which means you have to produce. We make each other's things rather than making our own.So seeking a more lavish lifestyle means you haven't thoroughly examined your current lot in life enough to fully appreciate it. Greed is, by dictionary definition: "excessive desire to acquire or possess more (especially more material wealth) than one needs or deserves"Basically, luxury.Subsistence, thriving on the meager, seems to be the wisest path. When you have nothing to lose, you can only win.
 
so do i wait for the squirrel to saunter past my open door in the hope i trap it for dinner?

if each of us were to live a completely isolated life with no trade life would be a shit hole. IE ide be wishing you luck that the crops come in nicely this spring, and hope the harvest goes well. otherwise youd starve this next winter.

isnt there an end game? for example presumably the harder i work (well produce) the more assets i will be able to accrue, therefore leaving me a more luxurious life devoid of work in later years? or that i will be able to provide for a family?

i know what ive got in life, and im damn thankful for it.. but ill tell you straight up, i intend to exit life having acquired more than i currently have.
 
lets not even begin to discuss how much my life and presumably your life have benefited from Fords production. or Gates creating windows.

i say with certainty that my life has benefited by their production. because was i to find no benefit derived by purchasing their respective products- i wouldnt have.
 
but Justin, you are totally forgetting about the workers of the world, the "wooden floor" that the capitalists walk all over. If they aren't taken care of, the floor will rot and our system will collapse!!! The wealthy are only wealthy because they oppress their workers and make gains off the labor of the common man without lifting a damn finger!
 
sorry bro, I've been deep into the "Socialist Worker" magazine lately. I've got a whole new lease on life hahaha.
 
But who are you to determine when I have made too much money? If you want to lead a frugal lifestyle, then by all means, there is nothing wrong with that, there certainly are some advantages. I agree, luxuries are nice things to have, but they aren't essentials. If those are your beliefs and you choose to live your life that way, you can. And if I choose to spend my ass off, purchase tons of worthless shit, and not give a dime to charity, I can. That's the beauty of it. Everyone has the power to choose their own path. They have the freedom to fail, the freedom to succeed, and most importantly the freedom to choose how they get to one or the other.

Also, show me a monetarily wealthy, thriving society where the individual is completely self sufficient. You can't because there isn't one. When a person or a company chooses to specialize in producing a specific good or service, they become very effective and efficient at producing that thing. And if everyone specializes, then the society as a a whole will have better products and services to choose from which leads to a better lifestyle which leads to a happier, more productive people which leads to more innovation and on and on it goes. If people were all completely self sufficient there would be minimal interaction between people and we would likely still be living in mud huts because we wouldn't have time to do anything more than what is essential to our survival.
 
The thing about it is, why shouldn't we just seek to survive and nothing more? I buy all my food, without foraging, hunting, fishing, or growing it myself. This gives me a shit load of free time where I have nothing to do. I sit around and get on the internet, meditate, and walk the roads for hours on end. (I live a spartan life that I can support without a career; I simply work the occasional seasonal job) Surplus creates a secure environment to live in, and a secure environment creates boredom. Your first paragraph was put very well, and I suppose your right. It is all up to you. But in our times, its getting harder to be anything but middle class. If you want to get rich, you get massively taxed, and there are many others who harbor jealousy or even hatred for you, simply because your rich. And at the lower end of things (my end), its hard to abstain from the work charade without being hated by the bourgeoisie. Vagrancy tickets, for example, is a hurdle every tramp has to deal with.
Great post though man, you know your shit.
 
hi, i'm 3 billion people and i live on $2 a day, the majority of your wealth is based off superficial rights of ownership -- be it land, resources, or an idea. We would like the rights to live with the most basic of securities. As soon as we have a standard of living that you would approve of for yourself, feel free to make as much as you want. But until then we have determined you have too much money.

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lol. Capitalism is only as strong as the companies that support it. What is their motive to work hard? WEALTH. The stock market and the uncentralized bank are a bunch of bullshit that have fucked with our system of capitalism in the US
Communism is only as strong as the workers that support it. What is their motive to work hard? more food? better living conditions? not getting popped by the govt? (seriously i don't know)
 
"I'm working to improve my methods, and every hour I save is an hour added to my life."

"A desire presupposes the possibility of action to achieve it; action presupposes a goal which is worth achieving."

"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."

a few choice excerpts from the BEST (trust me it is) book ever.
 
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