Disturbing Photos

pmills

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http://www.wolframhahn.de/

Wolfram Hahn put a camera on top of a TV screen in order to photograph children watching TV.

these are absolutly disturbing, something is wrong with these children, they stare right past you with a utterly numb expression. It doesn't take much to see that these children have temporarily vacated not only childhood but also the real world surrounding them.

(this is an article in the latest addbusters)

the first one, the three year old in overalls really scares me. is anyone else concerned about what the effects of a mass media society will be? what is happening to childhood? I know NS is a big range of ages, but make a promise to your self that, today you'll go outside and play, today you'll find some bit of the child in you

 
i don't, but this is a big wake up call to us, we need to break the mold, need to reject modern society with this as a prime example of why.

i do not want my children raised this way, i do not want to turn into my father. I think it's due time for our generation to start a cultural revolution.
 
I don't get it are these kids watching the news or something??? It seems slightly biased that he couldn't get one picture of a kid smiling or laughing at the TV, I find it hard to believe that those kids are watching saturday morning cartoons.
 
In a way you agree with my statement, children are spending more time in front of a screen and not enough outside. I want to make sure that my kids are very active. A healthy mind makes a healthy body.

 
Thats what I would think too if I didnt have a little sister.

They dont laugh at any of the jokes, they just stare at the TV. Most jokes are way over their heads anyway.
 
I just think the guy is using one sided pictures to try to prove his point. I'm not saying he's totally wrong, too much TV is a bad thing for sure, but I find it hard to believe that plopping your kid down for an hour of tv will be the downfall of society in the future.

I have also watched kids watching TV, and I have observed many occasions of happiness and laughter. I don't see TV as the devil, just something like many things in life that you should do in moderation and not let it take over your habits and characteristics. I am also disturbed around adults who can find nothing better to talk about than American Idol or the latest reality show, maybe we should get some pics of adults watching TV to prove something about current society.
 
i'm sure it's not the news that they are watching.... i think it's a big falacy to think that kids are interacting with saturday morning cartoons... and it's not easy for us to strike back against TV... I'm sure there might be ONE photo of a kid smiling, but i think for the majority of time this is what they look like, which is the point being made.

and to be clear the average child watches almost 4 hours of TV a day, the average US household has the TV on for 7 hours a day. Over the course of a year, children spend more time watching TV than they spend in school or participating in any other activity except sleep. A high percentage of a child's viewing time is spent watching shows intended for adults: 40 percent of a 6-year-old's viewing time, and about 80 percent of a 12-year-old's viewing time.

(from http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/departments/elementary/Default.aspx?article=toomuchtv)
 
I still dont get the point of this...i could go to the park and take 20 different pictures of kids with blank looks on their faces...people don't smile 24/7
 
you wouldn't be able to go to a park and take 20 photos of children with blank looks on their faces... this is not what childhood is supose to be of.

idk maybe you haven't spend a lot of time with kids, but this isn't what they are suppose to look like.
 
terrable sentance, sorry....

here's what was written in the article in addbusters

"Something is wrong with these children. They stare past us with utterly numb expressions, each tinged with a hint of adult-like depression. The youngest among them, a round-cheeked three-year-old in overalls, has a particularly hardened, empty stare -- or perhaps it's just that blankness is most shocking on his baby face. Together, the 13 images of children aged three to 12, each slumping in front of a monochrome gray background, look like a collection of zombie school portraits. This series, titled "A Disenchanted Playroom" was taken by German photograph Wolfram Hahn. Using a camera positioned atop a television, he allows us to watch children as they watch TV. Hahn's website for this series includes a quote from cultural critic Neil Postman's "The Disappearance of Childhood. It states, " For the mass media, it's impossible to keep any secrets, but childhood cannot exist without secrets." It doesn't take much to see that Hahn's disenchanted subjects have, at least temporarily, vacated not only childhood but also the real world surrounding them." -- Caroline E. Winter
 
I still think this article is kind of shitty...no explaination of what they are watching, they are sitting in what appears to be a pretty drab room (which would lead to a drab mood for the kids), no mention of the environment they are in

just seems way to biased to hold and credible footing
 
I honestly don't see whats wrong with letting your children watch television. So what if they give a mindless stare? You expect someone to be all jolly and enthusiastic 45 minutes through an hour show? I can see what this photographer is trying to accomplish, but it really isn't very convincing. If you stare at anything for half an hour, I think you would be pretty mindless. Lets say your on a road trip...your bored of Gameboy, your book, and no one is talking cause you've been on the road for hours. You 'mindlessly' stare out the window because there is nothing else to do. I belive you would have the same expression here as on a TV?

Television is entertainment for the most part. It's not some political way of conforming society like too many people believe. Lighten up a little bit....
 
Sorry that the artist didn't want to do a news report... but do you really think it matters whether it's your little brother in front of the tv or these kids in the grey room? seriously they don't give a fuck whats going on around them, they are glued to the screen of the TV... kids are going to look like this in front of any TV set in any room. The kids arn't in a drab mood, it's just that they don't have any interaction.

 
I bet I could pull off the same project with a bunch of kids staring at NS through their computer screens...whats the dif?

Context is need to understand the project. In academia, if you dont give context with your work, critics burn you.

I'm sorry...I don't agree with this article at all. Not convincing in the slightest.
 
That's exactly what I'm saying, a small amount of this stuff is healthy indeed.

I'm not arguing for TV replacing parenting in any way, I actually agree that mentality is very disturbing and detrimental to some aspects of childhood. However to say that kids watching TV is taking away from childhood is a broad statement. Lots of the problems stated above are problems with parenting and guidance not just TV. Kids watch too many hours of TV is the parents fault. Kids watching adult shows is the parents fault. Saying there is no way to make a difference in TV programming is just ludacris because if you don't like it, it's like a radio station, just turn it off or turn on something more creative or appropriate.

TV is good I think in small doses for kids creativity and learning, there are quality programs out there that I'm sure kids could watch without turning into TV zombies. Cartoons give kids a chance to escape the real world for a little while and just concentrate on funny and amusing thoughts. Also many channels can be informational for kids in many ways, what about kids who watch cartoons and are inspired to draw, or kids who watch animal planet and decide to aspire to work with wild animals or in zoos, or discovery channel shows which might turn kids on to science and natural wonders. Hell some might even save their lives like those teenagers recently who fell in a lake and survived without problem because they watched man vs wild and knew to strip off their wet clothes before running home.

I do think that this guys point has a valid one on some levels, you shouldn't let your 6 year old watch the news or reno 911 for 6 hours at a time. Also I'm all for getting kids out and exercising to create healthier kids and stimulate a love for activity and adventure. I just find this study to be a bit misleading in the way that ALL TV is bad for kids, I'm sure a little spongebob or bob the builder isn't going to rob your kids of their childhood. Hell I watched Tom and Jerry when I was little and enjoyed saturday morning cartoons but I still value activity and adventure for a healthy life. I also value sometimes giving your body a rest and putting your mind to work by observing some good old stimulating idiot box programming.
 
I was gonna say something about the drab environment too, it obviously makes a difference or many studies wouldn't have been done on the effects of colors in an environment on moods. Many child schools are painted in certain colors to promote a certain mood, just like hospitals and restaurants. The subconscious is very strong even though we are moslty unaware of it.
 
I have a ten year old sister that gets sucked into the disney channel. Ill come home, and shes staring at the tv. she'll laugh randomly but other than that she doesn't even respond when you try and talk to her. this is messed up, and the pictures do a great job of showing how fucked up the media can make you. You get sucked into it. plain and simple, and they're able to feed you ideas that you can't even process till they're buried in your subconscious.
 
shitty article + no context = author misses the point he's trying to convey

sorry if my math is a little off, but shut the fuck up ecststects. you're not proving anything to anyone so just drop it.
 
My brother watches TV but he actually knows what going on because he watches Animal Planet half the time. So he's like WOW LOOK AT THAT TIGER! THE HIPPO IS HUGE!
 
I don't know what to tell you all l who are looking for a scientific study, you're not going to understand art.

 
i won't let my kids watch tv. only certain channels.

i'll probably have them watch more movies then anything.

and of course reading.
 
i wish my bro would watch this stuff, he is stuck going back and forth from nick and cartoon network. one of hid favorite shows is about pupets who work at a fast food resturant in a mall. and he cant get enough of it. he also enjoys avatar, and edgar and ellon. have you seen these shows? sooooooooooooo fucking stupid. but he can stare at them for hours.
 
first off, no, if you actually read something, you have more of an emotional connection to it than watching TV, you're immagination is working when you read.

if you read a book without any any emotion at all, with a blank look on your face, then you need to re-learn how to read

second - these are photos of children, 3 - 12 a three year old isn't about to sit down for an hour to read-- bad argument.

third you've missed the point completely

this is a portrayal of our society, of our children, it is a portrait of what our children look like, saying this is their childhood. (mind you it's from germany so the "our" is really of all modern society) It is not trying to be scientific, it is not trying to be acedemic. it is photographers documentation of how he sees the world.

I'm really sorry for all of you who fail to see the point of this, who can't recognize art, who can't recognize something more than just academic "study" claiming it's not valid, it's biased. To me it sounds like everyone who is complaining about this not benig a credible source views life the same way these children are viewing TV.

 
Are you kidding me? Dude, you're just making things up off the top of the head. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

All mediums of media and communication have vast potential. There are good and bad television programs, there are good and bad books.
 
i think you're all reading into this too much. this guy is just a pedophile who took picture of a bunch of kids.

but i think the pictures are funny for some reason. he should do it when they are playing video games. it is so funny watching people play video games. they sit so erect and never blink. you'd think you'd have to blink at least every few minutes, but nope. no time for blinking in halo.
 
I understand that its art, but the way you're telling us about it is like it proves that TV is bad for kids. Since you're presenting it as proof, we are going question it because it lacks scientific reasoning.

I've seen my niece stare at a ceiling fan with the same stare as these kids. I really don't think TV is the problem.
 
I think TV is a small problem, your niece is not gonna get any subconscious messages from the ceiling fan that's for sure. Commercials and improper programming do pose a problem but I think we are far from not being able to control it.

I would slightly compare this to that guy(don't feel like research) who took the picture in the early 1900's (?) of all the children from factory work who were missing fingers from machine work. His artistic vision of truth in society brought about much change in child labor laws and factory safety.

So I understand what this guy is going for and I do see a problem there, but I don't like the extreme way he is portraying it. I could just as easily make an artistic album titled "Childhood and the joy of TV" and take twenty photos of youngins laughing their heads off at spongebob.
 
Going off of what Ryan said I have read pretty much every one of those Adbusters magazines within the past 6 months and some from last year, our school library has a subscription. What I noticed is that it's incredibly easy to pick out at least 1 major biased point whether it be how the study was done, wrote or how the pictures are set up.

I find Adbusters is a fairly extreme and biased faction of protesters.
 
I don't know what was more disturbing, the blank faces on the kids or clicking on start and seeing a bunch of creepy looking gingers.
 
you blink, you die. there is no time for that pussy shit when you are in mid gaming.

anyways, i am totally with ryno on this one. he could of took pics of 250 kids, and only the 15-20 that he showed had blank stares. there is no info to back it up, nothing. plus, it makes sense if you are watching tv to be "into it" if not then you don't really like the show you are watching. no to mention the room looks like the background for school pictures it is so boring. this guy is stupid.
 
I agree that kids watch too much TV and play too many video games. This ''study'' is kind of ridiculous though.

 
I think the point here is that if we do anything mindlessly, we appear as zombies. Or, worse: we are zombies. We miss life. We let it happen rather than making it happen. Take, for example, what leckett1 writes:

"So what if they give a mindless stare? You expect someone to be all jolly and enthusiastic 45 minutes through an hour show? I can see what this photographer is trying to accomplish, but it really isn't very convincing. If you stare at anything for half an hour, I think you would be pretty mindless. Lets say your on a road trip...your bored of Gameboy, your book, and no one is talking cause you've been on the road for hours. You 'mindlessly' stare out the window because there is nothing else to do. I belive you would have the same expression here as on a TV?"

It's strange, but I will agree with itsbackfliptime: "I really don't think TV is the problem". I don't think TV is the problem. I think TV can accurately demostrate, for the sake of the argument, the effects of the problem. We cannot enunciate causes of problems through art--that's what we all might be trying to say--but through art, we can gage the effects of certain players or vessels which perpetuate and encourage developmental problems in children. Obviously the effects of the problem are far-reaching--we see this in these responses--but, yeah, the link in the initial post lacks "scientific evidence" and rightly so. There can be no scientific evidence for the effects of such a far-reaching problem.

It is hard to even consider the deeper problem here. We are so attached to our personal, systemic, cultural and institutional biases that we forget to really see the world. We forget to question it. We forget to pay attention. To some extent, every single response to this post demonstrates the inherant nature of this cultural and personal problem.

What is the problem? We accept mindlessness as normal; we accept it as reality. One might ask: "Why do we accept this as reality?" Most simply: because we are presented with this shape of reality. But is this actually real?

It is if we let it be real. It isn't going to be a problem if we don't see it as one. TV will not be a problem if we don't see it as one. And it isn't enough for these 13 photographs to conquer. What we must conquer is ourselves.

True mindfulness is often, at least in my case, experienced on the slopes. If I am not fully aware, fully attentive, I am missing the entire point of skiing or boarding. I miss it entirely. We ought to all be familiar with colloquial phrases such as "it isn't the destination that matters, but the journey" and other such statements--but how many of us actually believe this? How many of us can be so attentive when we experience life--or skiing--that we realize our true reality?

I might argue that the times we are most mindful, we are most able to forget. It seems possible, to me, that the times in which we are free from all of the distractions, all the noise, all the false reality of TV and video games and comic books and even novels, free even from our own worries, our thoughts, our attachments, are precisely the times of which we remember nothing except how we felt when we were doing it. I would say this feeling is a feeling of immense pleasure; of joy; of jubilation.

So perhaps these photographs cannot prove anything, but aesthetically and metarationally, they depict one of the many effects of refusing to be mindful in our lives.

 
This sounds completely false. You're saying on AVERAGE people have the tv on for 7 hrs a day? On a lot of days people aren't even home, awake for 7 hrs.

Anytime someone is watching something they look like that. Reading a book, playing a game, on NS, looking at a painting whatever. I probably look like that 90% of the time I'm at school.

This is dumb
 
i agree that this has completely missed the point it was aiming for. with so many important details left out, the 'evidence' that it shows is useless. it's like showing a rock to someone and saying "this used to be a car, but i turned it into a rock. see?" without any explanation of what the fuck you did to it, that rock is not sufficient evidence to prove the point that it used to be a car. for all we know, they're watching some extremely interesting and educational television show on the science channel. i know that's probably what my face is like when i watch something on deep space on that channel, but it's not because i'm completely out of touch with reality, it's because i'm very intrigued and actually learning something.
 
Yeah, but it does bring to the surface the undeniable point that TV is effecting children. They did a study in the 1950's before TV, where they asked children to stand as perfectly still as possible. 3 year olds could do it for a few seconds, 5 year olds for a minute or two before losing interest and 7 year olds could do it for as long as you asked them to in most cases. Examples of self control really. They repeated this in 2002, and nowadays, our 5 year olds are behaving as 3 year olds did 60 years ago. 2002 7 year olds had regressed to the time of 5 year olds in the 1950's study. Attention spans are dropping, and most kids now need specific and realistic toys to play games, instead of using their imaginations to make their games more real. Basically, we're making so they dont need to think.

And yeah, I was listening to NPR this morning when they had this story on. NPR rocks.
 
True, it doesnt narrow anything down to just TV. But it is a disturbing sign that something has changed in our children over the last 50 years.
 
im agree with ryan here. i think a video would be a much more convincing. the photographer is using photos that only support what he is trying to portray and leaving the rest out. you cant really form any real opinion on the subject of televisons effect on children because you dont have all of the information
 
Definately shows a change, but while patience is a virtue there is also something positive to be said of abundance of raw energy. So your kid can't sit still, get him an erector set or some lincoln logs or a soccer ball or something.

Maybe our kids are all screwed up because every study and art project always ends up in the older generation telling the younger generation how screwed up they are. After years of being told there is a problem with you rather than constuctive criticism I'm sure many kids start to believe they are messed up.

Just wonder how the two following statements would affect a child upon overhearing it come from their mother's mouth:

"Poor billy is so hard to control he has so much energy he is just all over the place."

"Billy is such a firecracker in life, I just know he's gonna use all that energy someday to create incredible works of art."
 
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