Disgusted by Bush's speech

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I just finished watching that. Tonight, myself and my parents sat down to watch it. Both of them stormed out 3/4 of the way through. I sat through it, but I have never been more embarassed to be an American. One of my senior poli class professors at college last year predicted this speech by Bush, playing upon peoples emotions, bringing up Truman and Reagan, and saying the word freedom and liberty over and over, in order to avoid relevant issues. It was a disgusting display of zealotry and dogmatism. He played off people's emotions and history, an easy way to stir a fervor in the crowd while staying away from issues. On top of this, the Kerry bashing continued. Yesterday's speakers (Cheny and the dem. senator) had the gaul to take out of context statements by Kerry and outright lie (Cheney's quote of Kerry saying he would only attack terrorists if they attacked first), and then Bush did it more today. The democratic national convention refrained, for the most part, from name bashing. Bush continues to bring up the votes of Kerry in the past, but these are all out of context. For instance: when he says Kerry voted against military budget spending to help our troops overseas involving the B1, B2, and Apache attack helicopters, he is referring to a vote in the early 90s. During this time EVERYONE, democrats and republicas, voted against these initiatives because spending of the deficit was rampant. Please, everyone. Looking at that convention floor, i saw nothing but ignorance. People cheering for Bush after he said Kerry denounced our Allies. Kerry did not do that, it was taken out of context, Kerry's whole platform is based upon returning to our Allies, it is Bush who has separated the US from the rest of the world. It was a sickening display of pride, with catch phrases like 'spreading freedom' 'liberating', etc. I am honestly shocked that people are supporting this attitude. History will look back upon this presidency and, god forbid, the next four years as a dark period. Bush's plan to 'spread freedom' across the middle east will be seen as a time of unwarranted agression against the Arab people and, if left unchecked, will result in a large scale and bloody war. Please, those of you old enough to vote, look through his references to past events and tragedies and piece together what was really said. Nothing. The reforms he plans are so grand, they are not going to happen. Remember when he promised Social Security Reform in 2000? What has he done about it? He formed a commitee and there it sits, still today. There is a reason why the educated people of the USA, ie college professors, students, etc. are so adamentely against Bush and his policies. They are so cleverly masked in emotional idealism. Bush compared Iraq to Normandy, that is extremely offensive and ridiculous. History is being written right now, as we live. We will be able to look back upon these years. How will you say you thought? Did you support the man who thought God had blessed America to spread freedom across the planet? I pray and hope, that in the next century the United States finds real compassion and understanding with the other peoples we share the planet with. Only then will the nations of the world be able to cooperate in eliminating dangerous terrorists. This is not the way, by blinding our own people to reality.

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I read up untill the democratic convention didnt bash bush. Bullshit. I watched John edwards make a speech all was fine and I thought he was a decent speaker. About halfway through he just started bashing the shit out of bush and I didnt even watch all the speeches from the convention im sure the one or two I happened to watch wern't the only ones they bashed in. Don't act like the democrats are fighting the fair fight and repubs arnt.

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what did you think about his comparing the marshall plan to the so called 'bush doctorine' ? and the nay sayers of both? of course someone who already has his mind set against the president will be easily offended. thats fine i suppose.

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I definately agrre that this whole campaign and RNC has mainly consisted of playing off of people's emotions.

But, May I refer you to my post in the other Bush's Speech thread.

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wow i must say that that was well written. i missed the speech and therefore won't voice an opinion until i know more

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I decided to avoid listening to the speech for health reasons. I'm not generally prone to high blood pressure, but still and all I don't want to risk suffering a brain hemmorage.

I just can't listen to Bush's speeches anymore. Rather drink lye. Or become a Canadian citizen.

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the first half hour of bushes speech was all about specific actions he would take when he became president, all kerry's speech tonight is about his war record, and cheneys war record, doesnt that tell you anything about who really has no business in the race

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lol, whats wrong about being a canadian citizen? and ya i woulnt bother watching that shit but i would like to see summerization jsut to see what kind of shit he said although i can imagiine it wasnt anything unpredictable

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it's obvious, Bush sucks.....
 
yeah its bad to say but if someone assasinated bush I wouldnt be the least bit sad. Id actually probably be happy about it, the guys the biggest douche bag ive ever seen. Its awful truly awful

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This country is goin down the shitter fast. How bout all those chose or loose campaigns? Fuck those things, just an easy way to get uneducated voters interested just enough to sit and watch dubbua Lie his ass off. Its amazing how corrupt everthing is getting. I agree, I was embaressed to be an American during that speech. As good as it may have sounded, once you look at the facts, it was nothing but bold faced lies, straight to the faces of millions and millions of American citizens.

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Well I never said the Dems. didn't bash Bush, I just said they did a whole hell of a lot less of it and used facts. The thing is, people from other countries would watch this speech and see it for what it is. Its hard for us (Americans) to view it from an outside perspective because, like the threads above me that praise his speech, they are wrapped up in his rhetoric, which is immature rablerousing like I said. Anyway, after this year I may move back to Chile, so I won't have to worry about Bush and his shit if he wins. Although Chile is pseudo-socialist so in the end Bush may come after that country as well to liberate it. damn.

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midwest- what did you think about the marshal plan comparison?

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anewmorning - I think a comparison between Iraq rebuilding and the Marshal plan is insane. To compare the rebuilding of Western Europe (a second time) to rebuilding Iraq is just like when Bush compared Iraq to Normandy. Childish. WWII was an international war, a war the US reluctantly entered after almost 2 years. Japan and Germany had already declared war on the US, the war was not instigated by the US. After WWII, the US really was in the position to provide the best aid to Western Europe, as all other countries, including the USSR, were in ruins. It made sense for the US to set up economical propsitions in Western Europe to foster regrowth. Now Iraq. The US sits after instigating the war and bringing it all over the Arab region. There are many other countries that could be clamoring for a part in the rebuilding of Iraq, its not just the US. And our armies are still there as occupyers. No comparison I think. but I honsetly don't know that much about the extent of the original Marshal Plan to be a good judge.

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the marshall plan extended beyond things like the berlin airlift. it was basicly the doctorine that stated that the us would give whatever aid necisarry to any nation that was faced with a communist threat. it worked okay in some cases (germany+western europe) and not so well in other cases (greece)

the point was, that especially in germany, the us policy of intervention was a grand success, although in 1946, some people were questioning whether or not we should be sticking our nose in europes business. it wasnt untill 1989 that we could call the plan a success.

the same should be said of our current situation. right now we cant say what the end results of our involvment could be. the 'bush doctorine' of pre-emptive action could be the thing that sprouts democracy in the middle east in 50 years. there will be nay sayers all along, but we wont see the fruits of our labors, perhaps for a number of years. i just think it is increadibly doltish to openly condemn our involvment so prematurely. it might not work, but then again, it might. time will tell.

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The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
the dems are bashing too u know plus they have an entire army of mindless fucks out on the streets naked and just being complete assholes and bringing discrase to this country

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of course the dems are bashing too. that's primarily what campaigning is, bashing the other guy. the funny thing is that the bush camp has nothing to go on but bashing kerry, cus they know how bad they fucked up, but they know how to hide it very well, and i give them props for that. they've done a good job of coming up with the whole 'vote for us or die from terrorism' thing, it's very effective. stupid, but effective.

and lineskier, i know you like to post in these conversations and feel like you're super-educated and shit, but please, just stop. you don't know shit but what daddy tells you, along with ninety-five percent of this board.

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i don't even mean that just to him, but to almost everyone hear. there's only a few people on here who truly know their shit, me not included, so the rest of us should just fucking stop and let people who know what they're talking about duke it out and we can decide from there.

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isnt the whole point of a forum to express your opinion? i say aslong as people dont act like asses and discuss the topic in a civilized manner u should let them be.

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I didn't watch his speech because, frankly, I didn't want to. Bush disgusts me, and his lies drive me insane. I will elaborate later, but I cannot stand him.

The original poster (I believe it was midwest_rep or something, sorry) couldn't have put it better.... I agreed with everything you wrote, for my thinking has been exactly the same throughout the entirety of Bush's campaigning.

I am old enough to vote (and belive me, I will be voting), but sadly, my vote won't count for much. The Alaskan Republican Party is corrupt and horrible (even one of the Republican candidates for the US Senate has stated so), and at least 2/3 of Alaskan votes will go towards Bush. Frank Murkowski has changed laws to ensure that his daughter, Lisa Murkowski, would take his place as Senator when he gave up the rest of his term to take his seat in the governer's office. Fucking bastard. Now, he's trying to change the ways of appointing judges in Alaska (a process that has been praised nationally). Don't get me wrong, now. I am a Democrat, but I am NOT in any way trying to say that Repulicans are horrible and whatnot. The Republican Party of Alaska is what's terrible. It's sickening to see what goes on.

Anyway, Kerry has my vote. Sadly, many young voters I know are choosing to vote for Nader, for they refuse to vote for either Kerry or Bush. Sure, you don't have to like either, but voting for Nader is a lost cause. A vote for Nader is just like a vote for Bush. I remind them to reconsider and at least just vote for the lesser of two evils. Frankly, I HATE politics, but I hate it more when people complain about a political 'leader' when they didn't even vote. Therefore, it would be hypocritical of me to do the same.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, 'Anyone But Bush'. Couldn't put it better. Wonder where I can get one.

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THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION HAS BEEN NAME-CALLING AND BABYING...CHENEY DIDNT MAKE HIS CASE FOR ANOTHER TERM, HE MADE A CASE AGAINST KERRY, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT, NOT DONT VOTE FOR CHENEY HES A BAD MAN

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the democratic convention was all bashing bush. I think thats all it was.

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No the DNC was not all bashing Bush, they did comparitively little. Any bashing they did was even done without mentioning names. Bush's campaign has no ground except for badmouthing Kerry and glorifying this 'war' on terrorism. I don't understand some people. If you watched his speech, you must have noticed how he brought up no real issues, only far fetched reform plans that are impossible to implement. He got the crowd all rallied up by these bizarre propsals like completely overhauling the way the US does foreign business and these education proposals that did not work last term and arent going to this year. He stayed away from real issues, something the democrats at least tackled at their convention. This is why, after the RNC, the democrats issued a statement trying to clarify through all the war mongering and bullshit that Bush didn't say anything. Except that John Kerry voted against everything good and is a bad leader. nice.

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midwest rep give me one real issue that Kerry is talking about that Bush hasnt mentioned, or should we say Kerry is the one not talking about real issues and brought up the whole ' I AM KING SHIT IN VIETNAM VOTE FOR ME' When clearly the issues that need to be discussed is him in the office for all this years and what he has voted on. Go to this site and tell me why has Kerry not responded to any of the important issues that most Americans are question him on...
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i love reading your ignorant conservative posts they make me laugh i wanna know what you are all thinking in 2 years when bush is in office and the the u.s is complete shit

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i don't understand bush supporters. their logic is all messed up and every single one of them is extremely gullible.

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i don't understand Kerry supporters. their logic is all messed up and every single one of them is extremely gullible.

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Either way, we will be fucked in 2004. We can only hope that John Kerry just doesnt do anything while he's in office and the Dems get a better candidate in 2008.

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One of the previous 5 posts remidned me of religion in away. Blind faith. Everyone seems to be excercising it, but mostly Bush supporters. I know a girl who is a firm believer that the earth is 6000 years old, the dinosaurs never existed, evolution is a sham, and that humans are the only lifeform in the universe. I find Bush supports support Bush in a similar fashion. The church spews propaganda, as does Bush. Ironically, Bush is heavily religious, he probably had the Catholic Church give him some lessons in mass deception and control.

 
I was watching a talkshow this mourning before class with a columinst of the new york time taking phone calls from people all over america about bush or kerry that was one of the question that was raised by a caller. I dont think its that scary that I watched tv this mourning. Im not religious and still undecided who I'm voting for not that it makes a big difference anyway

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'i don't understand bush supporters. their logic is all messed up and every single one of them is extremely gullible. '

You know that's the fucking problem. I'd never say that about any liberal leader. I sure as hell don't say it about John Kerry. Why don't you grow up and talk about advanced topics like an adult and not an idiot.

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^Thank You! Someone who has some common sense and intelligence.

This thread made me so angry just because of the ignorance and utter stupidity of half the people who posted here. Frankly, most of you bush-bashers are the 'brainwashed' gullable ones. Probably 2/3rds of you only hate bush because either someone told you to, or its the 'cool' thing to do. Why dont half of you actually thoroughly research the topic here and made a decsision based on that, because everything you see here is opinionated bullshit that means nothing.

I watched both the DNC and the RNC, and I think the DNC had far more bashing of the other party and far less statements on what they would do. I have no problem if you dont like Bush, but at least know WHY you dont like him and dont base your opinions on statements from members of this site, cause you wont get the straight facts.

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First off, Id like to qualify this post with the fact that I didnt watch the Republican National Convention. I also didnt watch the democratic national Convention. Its not that I like being uninformed, I just dont have time.

As for this entire Dems/Repubs bash more argument, I can see how people are saying there has been too much mudslinging out of the bush campaign. I support bush, but I dont necessarily like the way the campaign has been run so far. But, I think its a bit silly for people supporting Kerry to imply that there hasnt been much bush bashing out of Kerrys campaign. I think we all know why people want to vote for Kerry - Hes not Bush. Whoever was talking about the bumper sticker up above hit the Kerry campaign right on - 'Anyone but Bush' Deep down, even if theyre not coming right out and saying it, its pretty obvious that Kerrys campaign isnt doing so well because of his incredible and apparent ability as a leader, but because everyone hates bush so much. Sometimes I get the feeling that the democrats could have nominated a monkey and there would have still been wild support. So, whether the dems are mudslinging or not (personally, I believe both parties are doing it about the same amount) their campaign is basically founded on their opponent, not on their leader.

As for the person who said a vote for nader is a vote for Bush, Im not so sure that is true. The numbers may be skewed a bit towards more democrats voting nader, but I have seriously considered voting for an independant candidate. Shockingly enough, not all Republicans (I am a registered republican) agree with Bush completely either. However, I do think that people should realize that a vote for nader is basically wasted, and, while it makes a statement on your disgust for the 2 party system, if you actually want to have a say in the presidential race, you should vote for what you believe to be the lesser of the 2 evils.

 
^ a side note on having only two people to choose from realistically. If we had say 10 different canidates to choose from and they all get 10% of the vote only 10% of the people in this country would have gotten their way. Even though it kinda sucks especially in an election like that where you can choose one or the other at least about half of America will get their way thats just my theory on it

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i definitely agree there has been too much bashing on both sides. but what ya gonna do? that's what you get with a two-party system. the way you win is not by convincing your own registered party voters that you're still right, its by convincing independents, undecided, and registered voters of the other party that their candidate sux. sadly, its true.

as for the 2party system, i have nothing against 2 candidates running against each other. i do however think the election process would be much more fair and civilized if candidates werent so dependent on their parties and defined by the partie's beliefs. if there's so much gray room between conservative dems and liberalish repubs, why cant a candidate just run for president without defining himself by a party? i know its not gonna change anytime soon cuz parties have so much power, but it'd be nice if it did

 
^ I think it because people who dont follow politics wouldn't know what 'kind of person' they were. Im sure theres people out there when 4 years comes around they just goto the polls and vote repub or democrat election after election. If someone running wasn't affiliated with a party it would create the need for people to get involved in the politics and learn about thier canidate more.

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It is scary that you know that. Religion should play no role in government and politics. -skibum_

dude, the whole point of the goverment is to legislate morality.

there is no way to take religion out of goverment

example:

vote against abortion=christianity

vote for abortion= SECULAR HUMANISM (also a

religion)

the goverment list secular humanism as a religion, so if you makes laws against religion, you make laws for secular humanists (still, a religious group) if prayer was taken out because of 'separtation of church ad state' (a liberal lie, but we'll save that for a diff discussion) then evolution (part of secular humanism) should also be taken out of schools (neither creation or evolution can truley be proven to be true, again another discussion) due to 'separtion of church and state', or taught equally with creation (giving both sides of the argument's pros and cons)

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haha. if kerry was anybody he would be pounding bush in the polls. but, kerry sux, so he's done.

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I'm sorry, separation of church and state is a 'liberal lie'? So you've abandoned the idea that democracy is the best system, and have decided that it would a good plan to undermine it to the greatest extent possible? ...Ok...

As far as your other argument, if anything non-affiliated with an organized (key word) religion is going to be looked at as some sort of religion by disassociation, then yeah, that makes sense. Unfortunately, it's absolutely ludicrous to call everything that doesn't accord with organized belief a religion unto itself. Separation of church and state is limited to organized bodies and the ideologies associated with them, not the ideologies themselves . If you're against abortion for non-faith-based (arbitrary) reasons, therefore, you have a case to be made under a fully democratic system (which doesn't actually exist, of course, but I'm speaking theoretically).

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