DINs on Marker Squire/all royal family bindings

[steezytangerine]

End of last season I got volkl revolt 86's with marker squire 11's. Shop set them to din 5 when I got them and that's been fine so far. I've had a few spills that im glad to have my toepiece come undone on but the other day I tried to do as big of a nollie as I could and my right ski flew off and ladnded on my face. I am 130lbs and mainly ski park. what din should I really have? I've thought about leaving toepiece on 5 and changing the heelpiece to 5.5/6?

 

[KungKalmar]

I would tighten them by 0.5 and the ski them. If they still pop off, tighten them again.

 

[Non_State_Actor]

I would tighten them by 0.5 and the ski them. If they still pop off, tighten them again.

https://www.mechanicsofsport.com/skiing/equipment/bindings/din-calculator.html

Start with what this calculator spits out and then increase as stated by [tag=276797]@JalmarKalmar[/tag]

 

[profa_212]

you should get your forward pressure prior to adjusting din. Sometimes that is out of wack, causing release issues.

Seen people crank their din before thinking that was the issue when it was really forward pressure, puts a massive risk into getting a knee injury.

 

[steezytangerine]

you should get your forward pressure prior to adjusting din. Sometimes that is out of wack, causing release issues.

Seen people crank their din before thinking that was the issue when it was really forward pressure, puts a massive risk into getting a knee injury.

ive had my bindings adjusted for 2 seperate boots and had the same problem on them so i doubt forward pressure is the problem thankfully, thanks for the help though. It wouldnt make sense for a shop to mess up forward pressure twice in the same way

 

[Non_State_Actor]

you should get your forward pressure prior to adjusting din. Sometimes that is out of wack, causing release issues.

Seen people crank their din before thinking that was the issue when it was really forward pressure, puts a massive risk into getting a knee injury.

ive had my bindings adjusted for 2 seperate boots and had the same problem on them so i doubt forward pressure is the problem thankfully, thanks for the help though. It wouldnt make sense for a shop to mess up forward pressure twice in the same way

Good reminder for everyone though, start with the basics. Forward pressure is a super easy check/adjustment on squires so check it off the list for sure.

 

[FaunaSkis]

Toe height is important also. You should just be able to pull a strip of paper out from under the toe pad of your boot where it sits above/on the AFD.

One thing which may also be coming into play when you say you

Nollied them and they came off easily is elastic travel. Marker bindings don’t have great elastic travel to their bindings and so other bindings like pivots or STHs will pull you back into place when you pressure the release up to but just below the release torque much better than Squires which are more likely to spit you out when you’re right on the line of the release.

As others have said, if you’re correctly adjusted in all aspects and seated in the binding correctly, you can raise the din in 0.5 increments testing it for what you’re doing until you don’t get unwanted release. The DIN standard specifically allows for this and the increased load from freestyle skiing tricks is exactly where it applies.

aside from that, upgrading to a better quality binding with better elasticity is the only move if the squires release style isn’t working for you. I personally don’t like the kind of all or nothing snap out of markers.

 

[steezytangerine]

Toe height is important also. You should just be able to pull a strip of paper out from under the toe pad of your boot where it sits above/on the AFD.

One thing which may also be coming into play when you say you

Nollied them and they came off easily is elastic travel. Marker bindings don’t have great elastic travel to their bindings and so other bindings like pivots or STHs will pull you back into place when you pressure the release up to but just below the release torque much better than Squires which are more likely to spit you out when you’re right on the line of the release.

As others have said, if you’re correctly adjusted in all aspects and seated in the binding correctly, you can raise the din in 0.5 increments testing it for what you’re doing until you don’t get unwanted release. The DIN standard specifically allows for this and the increased load from freestyle skiing tricks is exactly where it applies.

aside from that, upgrading to a better quality binding with better elasticity is the only move if the squires release style isn’t working for you. I personally don’t like the kind of all or nothing snap out of markers.

I kind of like the elastic travel, makes me feel a little more safe in the knees but having a ski pop off randomly has only done bad for me. Do you know anything around the safety/credibility of having higher heelpiece dins that toepiece?

Thanks

 

[No-Skill-Phil]

Toe height is important also. You should just be able to pull a strip of paper out from under the toe pad of your boot where it sits above/on the AFD.

One thing which may also be coming into play when you say you

Nollied them and they came off easily is elastic travel. Marker bindings don’t have great elastic travel to their bindings and so other bindings like pivots or STHs will pull you back into place when you pressure the release up to but just below the release torque much better than Squires which are more likely to spit you out when you’re right on the line of the release.

As others have said, if you’re correctly adjusted in all aspects and seated in the binding correctly, you can raise the din in 0.5 increments testing it for what you’re doing until you don’t get unwanted release. The DIN standard specifically allows for this and the increased load from freestyle skiing tricks is exactly where it applies.

aside from that, upgrading to a better quality binding with better elasticity is the only move if the squires release style isn’t working for you. I personally don’t like the kind of all or nothing snap out of markers.

Some thoughts about anti friction devices (AFD). Your setup advice is most likely true for fixed AFDs, like those on pivots and attacks, where the boot must glide off the AFD, which is Teflon I think?. Marker bindings (and the shift) have a sliding plate AFD mechanism, so I don’t think having such a tiny gap (I.e. low pressure) is critical to the function. Obviously don’t have some crazy pressure between the boot and AFD, but I guess there can be a nice snug contact and the thing should still function.

I’m not an expert or industry guy, just thinking about the mechanism. Either way the new Markers I’ve seen have a non adjustable AFD anyway.

OP, setup forward pressure, and then only increase the indicator value as suggested above if still pre releasing. Also worth checking that your boots are compatible and not too worn at the binding Interface spots.

 

[Shifty_God]

I had Squires last season and they worked great for most things but almost every time I tried to land switch I would pop out. I had everything adjusted a few times it helped a bit but was still happening. This season I got some Griffins and haven’t had an issue.

 

[steezytangerine]

I had Squires last season and they worked great for most things but almost every time I tried to land switch I would pop out. I had everything adjusted a few times it helped a bit but was still happening. This season I got some Griffins and haven’t had an issue.

switch landings been fine, even nose heavy switch nothing pops out. I think its the sustained pressure that really pulls me out of them

 

[BLandz]

Squires are very low quality compared to the competition, even if you fix the pre-release problem, the release of squires just feels totally garbage. Its not smooth at all. Its like it releases in 2 different, very jarring steps. Personally, I would much rather mount a ski twice and change the binding rather than ride squires but if you have to deal with it or are more of a beginner you might be alright for now if you fix them.

 

[steezytangerine]

Squires are very low quality compared to the competition, even if you fix the pre-release problem, the release of squires just feels totally garbage. Its not smooth at all. Its like it releases in 2 different, very jarring steps. Personally, I would much rather mount a ski twice and change the binding rather than ride squires but if you have to deal with it or are more of a beginner you might be alright for now if you fix them.

I dont mind them, im still growing so next year I will probably try to sell my skis (revolt 86) + bindings as one and buy pivots or attacks on a new pair of park skis or use the squires on a new pair of skis

 

[vroskii]

I dont mind them, im still growing so next year I will probably try to sell my skis (revolt 86) + bindings as one and buy pivots or attacks on a new pair of park skis or use the squires on a new pair of skis

If you get attacks DO NOT I repeat DO NOT get the 11s ! trust