Din settings and race stock binding, my "professional" opinion

NoTeefa

NoTeefa

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I didn't make this thread to plug myself in anyway but I think it's important to list my credentials before I give you my opinion.

I ski for Dynastar, look and lange, I've been jibbing for a long time and I've never had a serious knee injury. I've also been working as a binding tech for the last two years and I take a serious interest in the needs us jibbers have for good bindings. (being a tech really doesn't mean shit though, because a lot of techs are total idiots and think they ride hard)

Some pictures of me gaying it up to testify as to how hard I ride.

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this one's just fucking hilarious

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Anyways, somebody brought back a thread that Ryan Spinks posted back in 02 when he also rode for Dynastar suggesting that jibbers take their suggested din setting and add 4 to it.

Specifically he posted this:

"I suggest skiers new to the newschool scene follow this formula. Suggested DIN Setting + 4. Landings put a lot of torque on bindings, and sometimes the suggested setting isn’t enough, and you pop out, even on the easiest of landings. So we crank them down a bit. Now everybody has his or her own preference. I am 5'10', 160, and I ride the Look ZRR 18, DIN at 13."

Personally, I think this is some of the worst advice I've ever read, and I think if Ryan himself read this now he would undoubtedly "repent" making these statements (I think he ended up blowing his knee, but I'm not sure).

First off Ryan is saying that if you're 5'3" 110lbs and because of your boot sole length and skier type your suggested din is a 5, that you should then crank your bindings up to 9. Which is a ridiculous idea.

Second, with the amount of twisting and backwards twisting (i.e. landing backseat while still spinning) falls that park skiers experience, the last thing we should be doing is cranking our toepiece up way high.

If you're having problems prereleasing on landings that you could've saved its best to analyse which way you released. Now if you're heelpiece is still up like you were clicked in when you find your ski, you either released from your toe from the side, or upwards. If you're heelpiece is down like you took your ski off yourself then you released from your heel. Heel releases happen often on landings that could have been saved. For example, you land switch but a lot of your weight is out on the tips of your ski and you are hand dragging, then suddenly your binding lets go and you're on your face sliding down the landing.

If you have markers it is likely you will experience premature upward toe releases, because of markers "biometric system". In this case your heelpiece will still be up like you're clicked in but you didn't feel like you were twisting on your landing, Instead the sheeer impact cause your bindings to release. Marker's Biometric upward toe release system cuts the upward toe release din value in half when your boot toe lifts up to certain height in your toe piece. The result is that on a Stomped landing your ski can just fly off for seemingly no reason. There are lots of other factors too but the bottom line is if you're jibbing on markers and having problems prereleasing, don't crank up your toe din, because when you really need to actually twist out of your binding you're not going to. Instead save those markers for some purely recreational skier that never leaves the ground and get yourself some nice looks or Sollys.

I'm getting tired of typing so I'm just going to say:

When you get your bindings set mark yourself as a 3+ skier, then when you get them back turn your heel up 1 din value higher.

If you have markers, get new bindings that aren't markers

Don't get race stocks unless you have broken the plastic parts on consumer bindings in the past.

Also for more information on race stocks, check this thread

https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/198382/

PEACE
 
wow, first pic is dope as hell.

so much truth in this post, im 6'0" 175 and my binders are at 8. some kids i know weigh 30 pounds less and have a higher din setting. knees can only take abuse for so long
 
yeah most kids on here have their DINS set way too high generally, the longer your boot, the lower the din. the higher your weight, the higher the din. i'm 145, 5'10, boot size 310, and i ride at about 7.5-8. i work at a ski shop so i know my shit, and this is just right for what i do.
 
I think a lot of people crank their bindings down out of frustration of prereleasing and hurting themselves when they would've been fine had they had their DIN set to a higher setting. It's maybe not the smartest thing, but I know I can relate to just being like fuck this i'm riding 12.
 
Im 5'7" and 140lbs. I had my Loojm p12 Jibs set at 11.5 and I still broke em. I am getting some Look p18s and am gonna set em on 10. good? bad?
 
Since you all see how hard Chris skis...it is good to know that his bindings release properly....

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=)=)=)
 
Thank you for the info. I found a very important factor to consider is the boot. I always had problems with prereleasing, until someone told me my boot sole has to be replaced. It was rounded from the walking and therefore didn't hold correctly anymore. The best binding is useless with a fucked up boot.
 
bad ... getsome fks 120 and put them at 10, should be enough unless your feets are as small as mine...

you definatly dont need pivot18... wich are rediculuous by the way...just too much for overall people... me incliuded.

 
very true. especially when walking on cocrete and the like, boot soles get trashed. it definitely becomes a weaker connection; more prone to pre release.

moral is: check your boots for wear!
 
im 6' 170' and my p14s set to 8/9 is gooood for meee.

granted, their is sometimes a need for race stock, ie racing, but most of the time they dont need to be within 100 feet of the park. Plus, race stock bindings are solid metal and way quite a bit.

let me put it this way, when i race super-g and am going 70 mph, my marker comp 20s are set at 15, and those babies wont come off if they got hit with a nuke.
 
Nothing is steezier than claiming your double-ejects from hard back-seat landings. But yeah, I totally agree. I know kids way smaller than me (I'm 6'3" 180 lbs with Din at 7-9 depending on what i'm doing) that have their Din's 3-4 higher than me. The ski shop reccomendations are made for a reason when you get your bindings mounted or whatever. Although it is damn annoying when you try to cut a turn on ice and have your outside ski pop off and you slide for 100 feet.
 
i weigh 190 and im 5'10'' and even when i raced i never had my din higher then 9. cranking your din to accomodate for shitty skiing is the worst idea possible, change your skiing to accomodate your din, not the other way around, assuming you enjoy functional knees.
 
Oh, and for the recomd I am 6' 215lbs and run Rossi 120s (dildo styles) and they are around 8 and I never have issues with them prereleasing, but they come off in gnarly crashes.
 
here is the basic idea of the charts we use to set DINs... if you're a type III skiier (which most of us are) move down the chart 2 spaces. example 300mm boot, 150lbs and type III is a 7.5.

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bad yo

get some p15 or fks 155 and set the toe at 8-9 depending on how big your boot is, and set your heel at 9-10
 
yeah I'd much rather find some P15s but I can't find any fat brakes for them. I know how to switch them out and all, I just don't know anyone who has an extra pair of brakes.
 
5'7 125 lbs with look tt's (fks 120) i was on six or seven last year on some p10s, should i go six on toepiece and seven on heelpiece? and can shops adjust so theres different DINs on the toe and heel piece?
 
that says i should be at a 4 ish. (if i am reading properly)

it also says for my weight i should be between 4'11 and 5'1. but im 5'5 haha. i gotta bulk up.
 
I should be 5ft 2 inches according to the chart. I'm 6ft. I should be riding my bindings at 4.5 and I have mine at 9 and I can click out of them just by twisting hard while I'm standing.
 
well your "professional opinion" could potentially fuck someone's knees!

for everyone reading, by following the advice of someone on the internet you're escalating your risk of injury. just because this guy's been working as a ski tech for two years really means nothing except he knows how to read a chart.

and as for your opinion of marker bindings, the fact that you ski for dynastar pretty much makes your statement pointless. all i see is you plugging the bindings from your sponsor and none else.

 
i'm pretty positive the majoirity of knee injuies are caused by skis staying attached to the feet as oposed to releasing... how is telling kids to lighten up their din settings and not to equate high dins with being a man going to escalate their risk of getting a knee injury?

secondly he proposes look, rossi, and solomon, all bindings he's used before... i'm sure you'd agree that the best recomendations come from exsperiance.

plus just becaues you ski for a company doesn't mean you'd put the saftey and knees of fellow skiiers at risk just so that your company can get a few more binding sales.

so ease off, it's better to let kids know not to crank their dins ++++ than to have everyone thinking they need racestock bindings
 
riding ur dins high is kinda like a status thing. im 5'11 and 170 and ride my dins 16 on look race stock bindings. its tight to be like "ya, i ride a 16" then go out and kill it. i mean, a 14 just wasnt doing it for me so its sorta legit, i kinda skipped 15. whatever
 
I just lost all respect for you, Chris knows what he is talking about. He is not biased towards look bindings. I watch him sell soly's and rossi's all the time. Selling a pair of skis to a family that obviously has money and the first binding he pulls out is an older rossi.
 
this thread is the truth. chris (noteefa) knows his shit.

but the fact remains that most people don't take very good care of thier bindings, and over time they lose their strength. typically, i buy my bindings at least 4 DIN settings higher than what i will need to set them at. that way, i can use the same pair of bindings for as long as i can, and crank them down very gradually.
 
Thank you for making sure everyone knows how much of a fucking idiot you are.

This post is the NS equivalent of writing "I'm a cum guzzling idiot" on your forehead.
 
"as for your opinion of marker bindings, the fact that you ski for dynastar pretty much makes your statement pointless. all i see is you plugging the bindings from your sponsor and none else. "

your fucking retarded to think marker bindings aren't peices of shit.

 
wow everybody else pretty much PWN3D you on my behalf, how nice of them.

And in my original post I did mention that being a ski tech doesn't mean shit, most techs are idiots.
 
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