Difference in tip and tail width

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ElConquistador

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I am deciding between the Scratch BC and Norica Enforcer. They have the same under foot but the Scratch BC has a tip of 128 and a tail of 121 and the Enforcer has a tip of 135 and a tail of 125. Is their really any difference between the width of the tip and tail on both skis
 
diff in tips:7mm

diff in tails: 4mm

if you think about how small four millimeters is...youd relize that it doesnt make a difference if they are the same length

 
my question is that the difference between the tip and tail on the Enforcer is 10mm and it is 7mm on the Scratch BC, does the affect anything?
 
oh no way thats only a three mil difference thatd change the turning radius by like 1 foot...you wouldnt even notice
 
wow......you guys know nothing about skis and how dimensions alter the sidecut and way a ski turns.

Anyway......yes, there is a very large different between those two skis. You are not looking at the difference between the two skis but the difference between the tip/waist and taper of the ski.

The Scratch BC is 128/98/121.

The Enforcer is 135/98/125.

if you guys think those skis will not ski entirely different you are very mistaken.

The difference between the tip/waist for the scratch BC is 30mm.

The difference between the tip/waist for the enforcers is 37.

The enforcer will want to initate the turn much more than the Scratch BC, which will already be very easy to turn. 37mm of difference between the tip/waist is a ton. The enforcer is going to want to get on edge a lot.

The scratch BC has 7mm of taper, the enforcer has 10mm of taper (taper = tip-tail)

Basically, the scratch BC will be pretty easy to get on edge and will be comfortable staying in the turn.

The enforcer would allow you to point it more due to the slightly more tapered tail, except all of the shape in the front of the ski is going to make it want to get on edge quickly.

I would hate to ski on a ski with as much shape as the enforcer. Sidecut = shitty in powder and at high speeds/big turns.

if you are skiing somewhere with lots of groomers or trees, the enforcer could be the better ski cause it will be so turny.....But the better overall ski is the Scratch BC.

The scratch BC will still be easy to get on edge, but not so turny that you can't point it (although...even with them you can't really point it like you could on a more deticated big mountain ski)

Hope that clears it up a bit.

 
another way to think of it would to just picture the skis in your head.

The enforcer - 135/98/125

The scratch BC - 128/98/121

Look how much more shape the enforcer is going to have than the scratch. It really isnt hard to see/understand.
 
since I just love posting and posting and posting....

basically, those skis are both turny as hell. The Scratch BC will be less turny that the enforcer.

If you like to make big turns at all, get a ski with less shape to it. The turn radius for both these skis is under 21m....which is just tiny. I know a lot of kids around here use skis that are pretty turny, but if you are at all serious about getting a ski capable of truly charging look for something with at least a 25m turn radius, if not over 30m.

Although....you haven't really specified what type of ski you are looking for so that would help.
 
thanks alot this will help alot in my decision, this is my first powder ski that i am buying and i am just trying to get all the facts i can so that i buy the right ski.
 
I was on the verge of crying until I got to iggyskier's posts. He summed it up quite nicely.

And to the guy that said the two shapes are going to have a foot of difference in turn radius: please go take a math class....or think.
 
so you are looking for a real powder ski?????

There are much much much much.....much better options out there. Just so you know.

 
can I get some info? you size/height/location/price range/ type of use (trees, pow, everyday, big cliffs, etc)
 
Since it is CO you don't need to go super fat.

183 Volkl Gotama

179 Seth Vicious

179 Made'n AK

179 Line prophet 100

181 Scott P4

180 4fnrt MSP and 182 VCT

181 Head Mojo 105

184 Rossi B-Squads

IMO, all better skis than the Scratch and enforcer.

If you charge hard and want a ski that can keep up......181 Head Mojo 105. If you want a little longer length than maybe then 184 Rossi Squad would be next.

As an everyday ski..... 179 Seth Vicious is a great everyday CO ski that can handle pow. I skied a 179 Seth pistol as my everyday ski when I was back in CO in High School. Works well.

Since I am assuming you were looking at the 177 enforcer and 178 scratch....do remember those skis have twins and ski short. dont be afraid to bump it up to a 183 or so.

My top choose would be:

181 Head Mojo 105

then

179 K2 Seth Vicious

All the others ones would be good options as well.

between the Scratch BC and enforcers, get the scratch for sure.

Thing I like about the Seth Vicious over the Scratch is a little more sidecut so they carve great on all the CO groomers, but 12mm of taper instead of 7mm so you can point it without much issue. Allows you to control the skis much more in trees and in the open.

The Mojo 105 is the shit, plain and simple. It is pretty beefy, even at 181cm (that is a statement I never thought I would say) but it is probably the best ski in that size that would fit your needs without going the custom option(which you shouldnt even get me started on).

Hope that helps.

 
179 bro model or as we like to call it the 'ho' model. iggy gave a nice summary on shape. If it's a powder ski, go straight, less sidecut. My person preference is for the unconventional shapes that are out now. Two seasons on Spats has opened my eyes. Obviously a powder specific ski isn't right for everyone, so having a more traditional ski that still rocks in the soft stuff is a great idea. And you don't need a monster tip, waist is the most important measurement on a powder ski. If you get a fat tipped ski, it will float great in pure stuff, but when it gets skied out you'll be bouncing all over the place. A relatively narrow tipped ski on the other hand with blast through chopped snow, allowing you to dictate where you want to go.

I don't know if iggy mentioned it, but the reason sidecut is no fun in powder is because of hooking. Ski fast in powder with sidecut and make a powerful turn, often you'll feel the outside ski trying to 'hook' up. Less sidecut = less hooking, meaning more controlled powder skiing at speed.

Good luck searching, check out the bro models.

Oh, and to the 1mm doesn't make a difference guy, compare the 182 foils to the 185 guns. 125/87/115 (sorry I'm guessing on the tail dimensions) and 124/90/115. You're telling me that those are two very different skis? Please not that the powder ski is straighter, and the all mountain ski actually has a wider tip.
 
179 Bro model would be an awesome choice too....only downside is that it is only a partial twin.
 
i think that the Seth should be another one I should look at, but is there any difference between this years and last. Also remember i am going to definatly demo the Scratch BC and now maybe the Seth
 
seth remains the same this year as last. I like last years graphics way more.

Demoing is the best way to really figure out what you like.
 
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