Dianne feinstein/anti gun activists.

[californiagrown]

That's you're response to my argument? Its tough to refute logic and rational thinking, huh? You sure are proving that you are a part of the stupid america i was talking about...

 

[AT-AT]

That's you're response to my argument? Its tough to refute logic and rational thinking, huh? You sure are proving that you are a part of the stupid america i was talking about...

People hunt for food. I know numerous families who have to tighten their belts over the winter if they don't get a deer or two.

 

[californiagrown]

People hunt for food. I know numerous families who have to tighten their belts over the winter if they don't get a deer or two.

Awesome! how many bullets does it take to kill 2 deer?

 

[PacificRimJob]

Are guns more effective yes. That's not where I was going. If you are to ban guns the next reasonable thing to do is to ban knives, and then after knives are "gone", the next thing you ban is fists. That is if you are going by number of homicides committed by each.

Each law would continue to make people "safer." That is where your logic would take you. If you ban guns and it makes people safer, you would then have to ban knives because it would make people safer, and onward and onward

That's a slipping slope fallacy and your entire point is therefore moot.

When Reagan banned lawn darts did he make sure to ban other darts? or any other throwing 'weapon'? You lose this round. Try again.

 

[AT-AT]

That's a slipping slope fallacy and your entire point is therefore moot.

When Reagan banned lawn darts did he make sure to ban other darts? or any other throwing 'weapon'? You lose this round. Try again.

But is that not true? Do you not think that by banning the weapon that is used to kill people it makes people safer?

So why would you not want to continue to ban deadly weapons, if it will continue to make people safer.

Btw this is not an argument, no one wins and no one losses, it is a discussion.

 

[AT-AT]

Awesome! how many bullets does it take to kill 2 deer?

Depends, How good of a shot are you?

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

Awesome! how many bullets does it take to kill 2 deer?

Dude, just stop. It's quite obvious you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to hunting.

Yea hunting is super easy guys. Just walk out into the woods, stand there for 5 minutes, make one precise sniper shot like the seals do in the movies and call it a day.

Just admit you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and leave it be man. You look more ignorant and dumb with every post.

I don't know why but I'll comment on the earlier post. The more ammo I was allowed to buy as a youth allowed me to go on more hunts and have more fun experiences. It's that simple.

 

[deleted5]

But is that not true? Do you not think that by banning the weapon that is used to kill people it makes people safer?

So why would you not want to continue to ban deadly weapons, if it will continue to make people safer.

Btw this is not an argument, no one wins and no one losses, it is a discussion.

Ok let's go the other way, people are always going to kill so let's make gernades rpg's qnd flame throwers legal. Hell why not have a drone with explosives!

 

[PacificRimJob]

But is that not true? Do you not think that by banning the weapon that is used to kill people it makes people safer?

So why would you not want to continue to ban deadly weapons, if it will continue to make people safer.

Btw this is not an argument, no one wins and no one losses, it is a discussion.

It's absolutely not true. Guns =/= knives =/= fists =/= ukeleles =/= really sharp paper that gives you papercuts easily =/= guns.

The thought that gun controls would cause a type of motherly slipping slope overreaction is bullshit to the max, and in any debate, such an argument would result in an automatic loss, you being awarded zero points, and a guy saying 'god rest your soul' or 'you lose, good day sir'

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

People don't hunt for food. They hunt for the enjoyment of the hunt. similar to fishing. don't fucking even try to say different. you know its true. The meat you get from it is just a bonus...with very, very few exceptions.

I dont hunt. i have been hunting on a couple of occasions and was raised around the outdoors, and have 3 very close friends who are avid hunters. But no, i wouldnt say i hunt.

So, you are saying that the large number of bullets you were able to buy were the reason for great memories you created with your grandparents, and the love of the outdoors you cultivated? No. It was the adventure and time spent together, not the split second of shooting the gun.

Traditions and long held values are not inherently good. And in this case they are remnants of a looooong bygone era where people HAD to hunt for their food, and HAD to use guns to protect themselves.

Print this post and show it to your friends that are avid hunters please.

Another curiosity, what state do you live in?

Yea nobody fishes for food either right. I also garden for fun and just compost everything I grow. Come on man, you can't be serious.

 

[PacificRimJob]

Yea hunting is super easy guys. Just walk out into the woods, stand there for 5 minutes, make one precise sniper shot like the seals do in the movies and call it a day.

That's what I do, only I throw boiling hot water balloons at them from point blank and they die from heat shock and 2nd degree burns right away.

 

[californiagrown]

Dude, just stop. It's quite obvious you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to hunting.

Yea hunting is super easy guys. Just walk out into the woods, stand there for 5 minutes, make one precise sniper shot like the seals do in the movies and call it a day.

Just admit you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and leave it be man. You look more ignorant and dumb with every post.

I don't know why but I'll comment on the earlier post. The more ammo I was allowed to buy as a youth allowed me to go on more hunts and have more fun experiences. It's that simple.

Okay, enlighten me. How many rounds does the above-average hunter need to take two deer? (I am assuming above average because if you and your family are relying on hunting skills for food, you are probably pretty damn good).

Okay, how many times do you go hunting per year? not shooting, but hunting. Like i said before, someone like you would get a special permit that allows you to buy more hunting specific rounds because you can prove you went hunting more than (?) times per year and are using the rounds for legitimate purposes.

Does that make sense?

 

[californiagrown]

Print this post and show it to your friends that are avid hunters please.

Another curiosity, what state do you live in?

Yea nobody fishes for food either right. I also garden for fun and just compost everything I grow. Come on man, you can't be serious.

They know my stances.

What percentage of recreational fisherman fish just for the food? Or is actually bringing the fish home just a bonus on top of the real fun of being out on a lake/river/ocean, figuring out where the fish are, what bait to use, how to present it, and then the fight once it is hooked?

You love bringing up exceptions and presenting them as the rule, dont you?

I live in California, and am moving to Washington in 2 weeks.

 

[PacificRimJob]

Okay, enlighten me. How many rounds does the above-average hunter need to take two deer? (I am assuming above average because if you and your family are relying on hunting skills for food, you are probably pretty damn good).

Okay, how many times do you go hunting per year? not shooting, but hunting. Like i said before, someone like you would get a special permit that allows you to buy more hunting specific rounds because you can prove you went hunting more than (?) times per year and are using the rounds for legitimate purposes.

Does that make sense?

Let me ask you this... how much hunting do you do?

If you answer none, or seldom, then please, do yourself a favour and just can it... We know you don't like guns... But don't be that idiot.

 

[californiagrown]

Why should i can it? Should people who dont drink be asked to "can it" on issues regarding alcohol, and drunk driving?

So, because i am not heavy into hunting, i cannot comment on gun control as a whole? I offered up logical ideas, and asked questions about issues hunters have more knowledge about. Yet i am told to stay the hell out of it because i "don't know what i am talking about".

Seems a little unfair, and discriminatory to me.

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

Okay, enlighten me. How many rounds does the above-average hunter need to take two deer? (I am assuming above average because if you and your family are relying on hunting skills for food, you are probably pretty damn good).

Okay, how many times do you go hunting per year? not shooting, but hunting. Like i said before, someone like you would get a special permit that allows you to buy more hunting specific rounds because you can prove you went hunting more than (?) times per year and are using the rounds for legitimate purposes.

Does that make sense?

It all depends on many factors. The above average hunter can kill 2 deer with 2 bullets. Does it always work like that, absolutely not. I know people who have hunted their entire life who on occasion have shot 6 or more shots at the same deer and not got it. I myself have killed deer with one shot. I myself have also shot 5 times at a deer and hit it once, it ran across our property and my uncle shot twice at it and we still didn't get the deer.

To your last sentence in the first paragraph, relying on and taking advantage of are two different things that are both totally acceptable and legal reasons to go hunting. Do most people need to hunt for food, no. Can most people save a boatload of money, feed their family better meat, and teach invaluable life lessons to their family and friends while having a hell of a good time....yes.

I don't hunt as much as I used to, but if I did. I could take a buck in the fall, tons of rabbit, tons of dove, tons of duck and goose and a couple turkey, a doe or two or three or four depending on your locations and free time. You could probably do all that with 20 or 30 days afield if you are very good. And you know what all that hundreds of pounds of free range organic natural meat would cost you???? Like 30 or so bucks for a license, 20 or 30 for bird stamps and doe tags, and maybe 50 bucks in ammo.

Look I'm not totally against what you are saying. I see no reason anyone needs more than 100 or 200 shots a year for hunting purposes. Probably less if you are very good. Trust me though, no hunter anywhere gets everything they shoot at with one shot. Ever shoot at a running rabbit, or deer, or flying pheasant or grouse or dove? Ever see a turkey take a bad shot from a shotgun and run or fly away?? Animals are smarter and tougher than you give them credit for and are much harder to hunt and kill than any non hunter could ever understand.

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

They know my stances.

What percentage of recreational fisherman fish just for the food? Or is actually bringing the fish home just a bonus on top of the real fun of being out on a lake/river/ocean, figuring out where the fish are, what bait to use, how to present it, and then the fight once it is hooked?

You love bringing up exceptions and presenting them as the rule, dont you?

I live in California, and am moving to Washington in 2 weeks.

Enjoying a meal of anything that you caught or hunted and cleaned and prepared yourself is the most rewarding feeling in my opinion, not the fight or the challenge of the hunt or outsmarting fish. I mean all that is truthfully toward one end, catching a fish or animal. Why are you catching an animal in the first place if you have no intention of eating it?

Yes I like fishing and everything that goes with it even if I don't catch fish. No I don't keep every fish I catch. I will generally keep and eat about ten trout a year. Although I see many people during trout season taking stringers full of em home, I believe in my state you can keep 5 a day. I'd say it's about half and half trout fisherman that keep and eat em or just catch and release. Go on a charter boat down in the Delaware bay for flounder though and everyone on the boat that catches a keeper size is taking it home to eat. I fish all summer from the beach catching dogfish and rays, no i don't eat em. I will catch juvenile bluefish this weekend down there and yes, they will hit the grill, hell there's not even a daily limit as far as I know.

 

[El_Barto.]

I live in California, and am moving to Washington in 2 weeks.

Thank you for skipping Oregon...your mentallity is not wanted here

 

[PacificRimJob]

Why should i can it? Should people who dont drink be asked to "can it" on issues regarding alcohol, and drunk driving?

So, because i am not heavy into hunting, i cannot comment on gun control as a whole? I offered up logical ideas, and asked questions about issues hunters have more knowledge about. Yet i am told to stay the hell out of it because i "don't know what i am talking about".

Seems a little unfair, and discriminatory to me.

No, you're making assertions that are not true... shit like 'one bullet is all you need, yadda yadda' is pretty silly. For hunting weapons, you should be able to get a decent amount of ammunition. However, you shouldn't be able to just buy a shitload of 9mm bullets and/or NATO hollowpoints that are legitimately only made for killing or hurting people. Either that, or you should only be able to get that many while at a gun range or something.

...regardless it's not so much the amount of ammunition that's the issue, it's the type of weapons that are available. You can have 4000 bullets/shells for your hunting rifle/shotgun, but how fast can you kill with those 4000 bullets? The gun doesn't have a clip, usually. Or it holds a small amount if anything

However, if you have 20 bullets and an AR15, you can unload pretty quickly with it... so it's clip size and weapon types where i see the problems.

 

[californiagrown]

It all depends on many factors. The above average hunter can kill 2 deer with 2 bullets. Does it always work like that, absolutely not. I know people who have hunted their entire life who on occasion have shot 6 or more shots at the same deer and not got it. I myself have killed deer with one shot. I myself have also shot 5 times at a deer and hit it once, it ran across our property and my uncle shot twice at it and we still didn't get the deer.

To your last sentence in the first paragraph, relying on and taking advantage of are two different things that are both totally acceptable and legal reasons to go hunting. Do most people need to hunt for food, no. Can most people save a boatload of money, feed their family better meat, and teach invaluable life lessons to their family and friends while having a hell of a good time....yes.

I don't hunt as much as I used to, but if I did. I could take a buck in the fall, tons of rabbit, tons of dove, tons of duck and goose and a couple turkey, a doe or two or three or four depending on your locations and free time. You could probably do all that with 20 or 30 days afield if you are very good. And you know what all that hundreds of pounds of free range organic natural meat would cost you???? Like 30 or so bucks for a license, 20 or 30 for bird stamps and doe tags, and maybe 50 bucks in ammo.

Look I'm not totally against what you are saying. I see no reason anyone needs more than 100 or 200 shots a year for hunting purposes. Probably less if you are very good. Trust me though, no hunter anywhere gets everything they shoot at with one shot. Ever shoot at a running rabbit, or deer, or flying pheasant or grouse or dove? Ever see a turkey take a bad shot from a shotgun and run or fly away?? Animals are smarter and tougher than you give them credit for and are much harder to hunt and kill than any non hunter could ever understand.

FWIW one of the two times i have been hunting it has been for pheasant.

I agree with literally everything you said in the above post. I simply believe that if you require that much ammo, you should have to show proof that you took down an equivalent number of animals. IE buying 100 rounds and coming back with 1 deer would not be okay.

The issue i have is not with hunters, it is with folks who collect all the guns they can because they think they are cool and fun to shoot(which they are). In that case, they shouldnt sell them ammo. Only gun ranges should sell ammo, and keep strict track of it making sure it is all fired at the range. This would help reduce the number of crazy white boy killers, which admittedly is a small number of the actual gun murderers nationally. the buy back idea would help reduce the inner city murders.

I have an issue with people who have no legitimate reason for owning guns other than "because its a constitutional right". The thinking behind that right serves absolutely no purpose in todays world. You want a gun and ammo? great, have it. But you dont need tactical weapons and truckloads of ammo.

 

[O.G.Surachai]

Grew up in Wyoming and I can confirm that many people in rural states rely on hunting for food in varying degrees. I think that it would be silly to limit the ammunition of hunters as that would only hurt the people trying to use it for legitimate purposes. Hunting should be a completely separate deal when it comes to gun control and probably shouldn't be discussed in the same conversation as your right to own an Uzi...

Just out of curiosity, how would the gun advocates in this thread feel if there were a law that required a lengthy, rigorous training period to acquire a concealed carry license? To be honest, I'm more worried that some bat shit crazy Grandpa with a pistol will shoot me by mistake than a madman with a machine gun. In my mind, to be able to have a concealed weapon, you should have to be trained in the same way as the police to handle high stress situations.

 

[howlongcanausern]

moving to Washington in 2 weeks.

where in WA?

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

Why should i can it? Should people who dont drink be asked to "can it" on issues regarding alcohol, and drunk driving?

So, because i am not heavy into hunting, i cannot comment on gun control as a whole? I offered up logical ideas, and asked questions about issues hunters have more knowledge about. Yet i am told to stay the hell out of it because i "don't know what i am talking about".

Seems a little unfair, and discriminatory to me.

I'm not asking you to can it on gun control, I actually agree with some or even most of your points on gun control. Just can it on hunting. Hunting is just a small percentage of gun control.

From a hunting standpoint, I could care less if semi auto guns were made illegal for hunting. As a gun enthusiast though I'm not so sure they should be made totally illegal. I do believe a well armed populace has the ability to keep the government in check to a point and I believe that is why the second amendment was put into the constitution.

 

[PacificRimJob]

FWIW one of the two times i have been hunting it has been for pheasant.

I agree with literally everything you said in the above post. I simply believe that if you require that much ammo, you should have to show proof that you took down an equivalent number of animals. IE buying 100 rounds and coming back with 1 deer would not be okay.

The issue i have is not with hunters, it is with folks who collect all the guns they can because they think they are cool and fun to shoot(which they are). In that case, they shouldnt sell them ammo. Only gun ranges should sell ammo, and keep strict track of it making sure it is all fired at the range. This would help reduce the number of crazy white boy killers, which admittedly is a small number of the actual gun murderers nationally. the buy back idea would help reduce the inner city murders.

I have an issue with people who have no legitimate reason for owning guns other than "because its a constitutional right". The thinking behind that right serves absolutely no purpose in todays world. You want a gun and ammo? great, have it. But you dont need tactical weapons and truckloads of ammo.

Lol. Dude, who cares. If you unloaded 100 shots into one animal than have fun eating it. You're just a jackass at that point, or were one of those dudes who liked to keep shooting the guys on the ground when they were dead in goldeneye and making red marks show up everywhere (me, and I'm a jackass).

I don't really feel like only gun ranges should sell ammo. How much are you honestly going to have on you? like 30 clips? lol... come on dude... I mean, you shouldn't have something like a 200 round SAW249 but a dozen 10 round clips while shooting in the forest with friends or in your backyard isn't going to really be that bad - especially if you're in a state that requires a bullet button or something.

That said, if you're buying a crapload of hollowpoints and shit, that's kinda red flaggy... Screw that.

Buybacks are nice and all I guess, but you have to pump out a lot for that... I say twice over the retail of that weapon to make it really successful.

 

[californiagrown]

Enjoying a meal of anything that you caught or hunted and cleaned and prepared yourself is the most rewarding feeling in my opinion, not the fight or the challenge of the hunt or outsmarting fish. I mean all that is truthfully toward one end, catching a fish or animal. Why are you catching an animal in the first place if you have no intention of eating it?

Yes I like fishing and everything that goes with it even if I don't catch fish. No I don't keep every fish I catch. I will generally keep and eat about ten trout a year. Although I see many people during trout season taking stringers full of em home, I believe in my state you can keep 5 a day. I'd say it's about half and half trout fisherman that keep and eat em or just catch and release. Go on a charter boat down in the Delaware bay for flounder though and everyone on the boat that catches a keeper size is taking it home to eat. I fish all summer from the beach catching dogfish and rays, no i don't eat em. I will catch juvenile bluefish this weekend down there and yes, they will hit the grill, hell there's not even a daily limit as far as I know.

Frankly i never eat the fish i catch. I just like the "hunt" and the "fight". i always use barbless hooks. I have eaten the fish ive caught and the pheasant i shot and frankly its just a pain in the ass to gut, clean etc. On the other hand, taking a boar and having sausage made was pretty expensive, but really fucking tasty.

 

[PacificRimJob]

Frankly i never eat the fish i catch. I just like the "hunt" and the "fight". i always use barbless hooks. I have eaten the fish ive caught and the pheasant i shot and frankly its just a pain in the ass to gut, clean etc. On the other hand, taking a boar and having sausage made was pretty expensive, but really fucking tasty.

Ugh, that's fucking LAAAME.

If you kill something, it should be for practicality, not for sport. You're part of the problem you speak of. I fucking hate sport fishing/hunting, it's such a useless fucking powertrip on nature.

 

[PacificRimJob]

From a hunting standpoint, I could care less if semi auto guns were made illegal for hunting. As a gun enthusiast though I'm not so sure they should be made totally illegal. I do believe a well armed populace has the ability to keep the government in check to a point and I believe that is why the second amendment was put into the constitution.

I agree. I'm not for banning shit... I'm for tighter restrictions. You shouldn't be able to just buy an AR15 and some tek9's all willy nilly NBD easy peasy... there should be licenses and checks on that to make sure that you're using it right and aren't stocking up for the fish in the barrel at the Aurora Theatre.

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

FWIW one of the two times i have been hunting it has been for pheasant.

I agree with literally everything you said in the above post. I simply believe that if you require that much ammo, you should have to show proof that you took down an equivalent number of animals. IE buying 100 rounds and coming back with 1 deer would not be okay.

The issue i have is not with hunters, it is with folks who collect all the guns they can because they think they are cool and fun to shoot(which they are). In that case, they shouldnt sell them ammo. Only gun ranges should sell ammo, and keep strict track of it making sure it is all fired at the range. This would help reduce the number of crazy white boy killers, which admittedly is a small number of the actual gun murderers nationally. the buy back idea would help reduce the inner city murders.

I have an issue with people who have no legitimate reason for owning guns other than "because its a constitutional right". The thinking behind that right serves absolutely no purpose in todays world. You want a gun and ammo? great, have it. But you dont need tactical weapons and truckloads of ammo.

Did you shoot at any pheasants? Did your friends? How many shots and how many pheasants did you get? Ok ok I'm just goofing off there.

I don't think hoarding guns and ammo is really needed either, I don't think the gubmint is storming our doors any time soon or at all. Does that mean I wanna take away that right?? No.

Shooting guns is cool and fun, and actually good practice for hunting(imagine that). Do I think all shooting for fun should be done at ranges and tracked by the government, HELL NO. I have had incredible fun, on my own land, shooting over a hundred rounds at clay pigeons all day long with friends. The government has no business knowing what I'm shooting or how much I'm shooting on my own property.

It's called freedom, it's kind of enjoyed here in the USA and I like it that way. Besides, I find the more the government regulates the more they tend to charge for it and I don't like that.

 

[californiagrown]

No, you're making assertions that are not true... shit like 'one bullet is all you need, yadda yadda' is pretty silly. For hunting weapons, you should be able to get a decent amount of ammunition. However, you shouldn't be able to just buy a shitload of 9mm bullets and/or NATO hollowpoints that are legitimately only made for killing or hurting people. Either that, or you should only be able to get that many while at a gun range or something.

...regardless it's not so much the amount of ammunition that's the issue, it's the type of weapons that are available. You can have 4000 bullets/shells for your hunting rifle/shotgun, but how fast can you kill with those 4000 bullets? The gun doesn't have a clip, usually. Or it holds a small amount if anything

However, if you have 20 bullets and an AR15, you can unload pretty quickly with it... so it's clip size and weapon types where i see the problems.

You are attributing words and ideas to me that i never said, just to set up your shallow combacks.

Lol. Dude, who cares. If you unloaded 100 shots into one animal than have fun eating it. You're just a jackass at that point, or were one of those dudes who liked to keep shooting the guys on the ground when they were dead in goldeneye and making red marks show up everywhere (me, and I'm a jackass).

I don't really feel like only gun ranges should sell ammo. How much are you honestly going to have on you? like 30 clips? lol... come on dude... I mean, you shouldn't have something like a 200 round SAW249 but a dozen 10 round clips while shooting in the forest with friends or in your backyard isn't going to really be that bad - especially if you're in a state that requires a bullet button or something.

That said, if you're buying a crapload of hollowpoints and shit, that's kinda red flaggy... Screw that.

Buybacks are nice and all I guess, but you have to pump out a lot for that... I say twice over the retail of that weapon to make it really successful.

regarding your first paragraph- yeah, I believe bullets should be used for legitimate reasons.

You could fit quite a few clips into a backback, post up in a mall and go to town.

put a cross into the tip of bullets and you have ghetto hollow points. All bullets are fatal anyways.

 

[Gods_Father]

Traditions and long held values are not inherently good. And in this case they are remnants of a looooong bygone era where people HAD to hunt for their food, and HAD to use guns to protect themselves.

damn, you are so out of touch with reality it is not even remotely funny. why are you trying to speak on behalf of everyone? you realize that not everyone is a yuppie living in a big city, right? how could you seriously have a problem with families who freeze/can wild meats+fish lol??? you're a complete joke, go to a rural town and tell the people there that they don't need guns to protect themselves from big animals.

oh, you have a problem with the amount of ammo an individual can own too? why don't you tell them how much gas they can put in their vehicles after you calculate how much it takes to get the job done.

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

I agree. I'm not for banning shit... I'm for tighter restrictions. You shouldn't be able to just buy an AR15 and some tek9's all willy nilly NBD easy peasy... there should be licenses and checks on that to make sure that you're using it right and aren't stocking up for the fish in the barrel at the Aurora Theatre.

I agree, I just don't like all the government costs that come with a lot of these types of regulations. I wouldn't be against a cap on ammo storage or high capacity mags or things like that though.

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

Frankly i never eat the fish i catch. I just like the "hunt" and the "fight". i always use barbless hooks. I have eaten the fish ive caught and the pheasant i shot and frankly its just a pain in the ass to gut, clean etc. On the other hand, taking a boar and having sausage made was pretty expensive, but really fucking tasty.

I could have guessed this. OMG, like hard work is so HARD ugh. Come on man. The harder you work for something the more satisfying it is. Do you work on your own car? Ever build your own furniture or work on your own house??

Let's all just join PETA, outlaw hunting, and get all our food from a grocery store. The FDA knows what's best for our health and nutrition anyway guys c'mon.

You are the consumerist gimme gimme new generation we hear about. I'll hold onto my useless old traditions thanks. My dirty hands and bloody garage floor smell like satisfaction and the good life to me.

 

[Rusticles]

And that doesn't fucking matter... because how many knives, fists, hammers and wrist watches have been responsible for deaths at more than 50 feet? That's the point. You can't compare Guns to Fists and Knives. You can't punch someone through the skull. Hell, you would find it pretty difficult to stab someone through the skull... but a gun? no problem, bud.

Guns are effective as fuck at killing. Whey they are used, they are almost always going to lead to a death or some sort of serious injury. You can get in all the fist fights you want, chances are pretty low you're going to die from one in comparison to a gun dual...

Not to mention, there are a lot more fists and knives in circulation than guns. I wonder if there are stats for that, gun deaths based on number of guns per person vs number of fists and knives per person

 

[deleted5]

Not to mention, there are a lot more fists and knives in circulation than guns. I wonder if there are stats for that, gun deaths based on number of guns per person vs number of fists and knives per person

Per capita

 

[Gods_Father]

On two kinds of guns yeah, ok let's only see the use of machetes and triangle blades used in murders o no its even lower than the two kinds of guns your talking about, because there not legal to own by your logic let's ban everything because of my one sided statistic. See how that's flawed? We should not ban guns just not make it leagle to buy them with almost no paperwork, again in Florida you can buy them in a garage sale with no paper work. Make sure people are responsible enough to have them because people are the problem. Not really sure how you can argue against that point.

no, on your example of the statistical probability of saving your life if you do whatever a person demands of you.

 

[californiagrown]

Did you shoot at any pheasants? Did your friends? How many shots and how many pheasants did you get? Ok ok I'm just goofing off there.

I don't think hoarding guns and ammo is really needed either, I don't think the gubmint is storming our doors any time soon or at all. Does that mean I wanna take away that right?? No.

Shooting guns is cool and fun, and actually good practice for hunting(imagine that). Do I think all shooting for fun should be done at ranges and tracked by the government, HELL NO. I have had incredible fun, on my own land, shooting over a hundred rounds at clay pigeons all day long with friends. The government has no business knowing what I'm shooting or how much I'm shooting on my own property.

It's called freedom, it's kind of enjoyed here in the USA and I like it that way. Besides, I find the more the government regulates the more they tend to charge for it and I don't like that.

You should absolutely have enough ammo to be able to hunt and feed your family through that. But the vast, vast majority of ammo is not used for hunting. Are you going to deny that?

damn, you are so out of touch with reality it is not even remotely funny. why are you trying to speak on behalf of everyone? you realize that not everyone is a yuppie living in a big city, right? how could you seriously have a problem with families who freeze/can wild meats+fish lol??? you're a complete joke, go to a rural town and tell the people there that they don't need guns to protect themselves from big animals.

oh, you have a problem with the amount of ammo an individual can own too? why don't you tell them how much gas they can put in their vehicles after you calculate how much it takes to get the job done.

Actually you are out of touch with reality. And your reading comprehension is terrible. you are projecting what you wanted me to say into your posts instead of addressing what i actually did say.

The gas analogy does not relate...at all. Gas isnt used to kill people on the regular.

Does someone living in Denver, CO need the type of gun and amount of ammo that someone living in the backwoods of Maine needs? ill go ahead and answer for you - NO! Do you agree with that? Why does everyone want to bring up the exceptions and then portray them as the majority? Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, and people needing to hunt for food, or to protect themselves from wolves/bears would be those exceptions. But if you think that is the majority of hunters and gun owners, you are living under a rock.

 

[AT-AT]

I could have guessed this. OMG, like hard work is so HARD ugh. Come on man. The harder you work for something the more satisfying it is. Do you work on your own car? Ever build your own furniture or work on your own house??

Let's all just join PETA, outlaw hunting, and get all our food from a grocery store. The FDA knows what's best for our health and nutrition anyway guys c'mon.

You are the consumerist gimme gimme new generation we hear about. I'll hold onto my useless old traditions thanks. My dirty hands and bloody garage floor smell like satisfaction and the good life to me.

Rarely do I agree more with a post than this one.

 

[californiagrown]

I could have guessed this. OMG, like hard work is so HARD ugh. Come on man. The harder you work for something the more satisfying it is. Do you work on your own car? Ever build your own furniture or work on your own house??

Let's all just join PETA, outlaw hunting, and get all our food from a grocery store. The FDA knows what's best for our health and nutrition anyway guys c'mon.

You are the consumerist gimme gimme new generation we hear about. I'll hold onto my useless old traditions thanks. My dirty hands and bloody garage floor smell like satisfaction and the good life to me.

Without knowing me, you are making a mighty big(incorrect) assumption about what i have had to work for, how ive had to work for it, and how i conduct my daily life because of it.

Curiously, do you see the value and logic in values and views that are different than yours?

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

You should absolutely have enough ammo to be able to hunt and feed your family through that. But the vast, vast majority of ammo is not used for hunting. Are you going to deny that?

Actually you are out of touch with reality. And your reading comprehension is terrible. you are projecting what you wanted me to say into your posts instead of addressing what i actually did say.

The gas analogy does not relate...at all. Gas isnt used to kill people on the regular.

Does someone living in Denver, CO need the type of gun and amount of ammo that someone living in the backwoods of Maine needs? ill go ahead and answer for you - NO! Do you agree with that? Why does everyone want to bring up the exceptions and then portray them as the majority? Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, and people needing to hunt for food, or to protect themselves from wolves/bears would be those exceptions. But if you think that is the majority of hunters and gun owners, you are living under a rock.

It has nothing to do with exceptions and majority, it has to do with rights and freedom. What does it matter at all where you live. If I live in center city philly, does that mean I can't store guns and ammo I use to huntin northern PA or anywhere else I choose to travel?? You're the one making assumptions that a store of ammo or guns should be illegal because clearly it's a plot for mass murder right??

Freedom man, I want it. I don't want the government regulating or knowing more about my life than they already do. Is it slightly dangerous? Yes. Will I give up safety for freedom, yes. Gonna outlaw working on your won car because I might screw up my brake job? I'm not a mechanic certified by the state. Gonna make me pay to take a test so I can take my friends rock climbing in the name of safety?? I don't want unreasonable regulations in the name of being "safer".

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

Without knowing me, you are making a mighty big(incorrect) assumption about what i have had to work for, how ive had to work for it, and how i conduct my daily life because of it.

Curiously, do you see the value and logic in values and views that are different than yours?

I'm not making assumptions about what you have or what you have worked for. I just meant I could have guessed you would be the type to whine about gutting an animal.

And yes, yes I do, when they have merit.

 

[californiagrown]

It has nothing to do with exceptions and majority, it has to do with rights and freedom. What does it matter at all where you live. If I live in center city philly, does that mean I can't store guns and ammo I use to huntin northern PA or anywhere else I choose to travel?? You're the one making assumptions that a store of ammo or guns should be illegal because clearly it's a plot for mass murder right??

Freedom man, I want it. I don't want the government regulating or knowing more about my life than they already do. Is it slightly dangerous? Yes. Will I give up safety for freedom, yes. Gonna outlaw working on your won car because I might screw up my brake job? I'm not a mechanic certified by the state. Gonna make me pay to take a test so I can take my friends rock climbing in the name of safety?? I don't want unreasonable regulations in the name of being "safer".

Youre second paragraph compares weapons designed with ONE INTENTION: killing things, to a voluntary form of exercise, and THE form of transportation our society runs upon. Horrible analogies. you are using the slippery slope fallacy Dingo referenced earlier. it is not a valid argument.

What it comes down to is: you view guns as a valuable freedom that you think is worth the risk. I do not think the current breadth of gun freedom is worth the risk. Plain and simple.

 

[Gods_Father]

You should absolutely have enough ammo to be able to hunt and feed your family through that. But the vast, vast majority of ammo is not used for hunting. Are you going to deny that?

Actually you are out of touch with reality. And your reading comprehension is terrible. you are projecting what you wanted me to say into your posts instead of addressing what i actually did say.

The gas analogy does not relate...at all. Gas isnt used to kill people on the regular.

Does someone living in Denver, CO need the type of gun and amount of ammo that someone living in the backwoods of Maine needs? ill go ahead and answer for you - NO! Do you agree with that? Why does everyone want to bring up the exceptions and then portray them as the majority? Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, and people needing to hunt for food, or to protect themselves from wolves/bears would be those exceptions. But if you think that is the majority of hunters and gun owners, you are living under a rock.

I don't deny that, are you threatened by the ways people choose to use their ammo?

quit lying...

"And in this case they are remnants of a looooong bygone era where people HAD to hunt for their food, and HAD to use guns to protect themselves." lol

those people are not "exceptions" you jackass. they're citizens the exact same as you. if you think the activities done by a majority have any innate prerogative over what other people choose to do then you are living in your own universe. you clearly have an authoritarian mentality too.

 

[californiagrown]

I don't deny that, are you threatened by the ways people choose to use their ammo?

quit lying...

"And in this case they are remnants of a looooong bygone era where people HAD to hunt for their food, and HAD to use guns to protect themselves." lol

those people are not "exceptions" you jackass. they're citizens the exact same as you. if you think the activities done by a majority have any innate prerogative over what other people choose to do then you are living in your own universe. you clearly have an authoritarian mentality too.

Yes. fuck yes i am threatened by the way people use their ammo. specifically when they use it to kill other people.

IT WAS a bygone era when a statistically relevant portion of the population relied on a gun for food and protection from animals.

They are exceptions you jackass. The few thousand people who require guns for food and protection against animals are absolutely the exception to the american situation. Do you know what exception means? Guess not.

Do you not know what the demographic of the US looks like?

 

[SFB]

Yes. fuck yes i am threatened by the way people use their ammo. specifically when they use it to kill other people.

IT WAS a bygone era when a statistically relevant portion of the population relied on a gun for food and protection from animals.

They are exceptions you jackass. The few thousand people who require guns for food and protection against animals are absolutely the exception to the american situation. Do you know what exception means? Guess not.

Do you not know what the demographic of the US looks like?

so because you feel threatened by what would be a rare situation in the US, only people who use them to survive should get guns? people have guns for more reasons than just survival, protection for one, sport, hunting, a detterent.

 

[Gods_Father]

Yes. fuck yes i am threatened by the way people use their ammo. specifically when they use it to kill other people.

IT WAS a bygone era when a statistically relevant portion of the population relied on a gun for food and protection from animals.

They are exceptions you jackass. The few thousand people who require guns for food and protection against animals are absolutely the exception to the american situation. Do you know what exception means? Guess not.

Do you not know what the demographic of the US looks like?

you want to tell those "exceptions" how to live their lives...that's why you're a joke. and cmon.....a few thousand people? there are millions of people living in rural places in America, and why should one absolutely require a gun if they want to choose to own one and use it to get their own meat??? that's like saying you shouldn't be allowed to catch your own fish unless you absolutely need to...

 

[californiagrown]

so because you feel threatened by what would be a rare situation in the US, only people who use them to survive should get guns? people have guns for more reasons than just survival, protection for one, sport, hunting, a detterent.

We already covered hunting and protection. So for you it comes down to you wanting to recreate with guns. thats fine, but i think it should be regulated to make it much harder to use guns for other reasons than recreating...ie ammo limits, area use restrictions etc.

you want to tell those "exceptions" how to live their lives...that's why you're a joke. and cmon.....a few thousand people? there are millions of people living in rural places in America, and why should one absolutely require a gun if they want to choose to own one and use it to get their own meat??? that's like saying you shouldn't be allowed to catch your own fish unless you absolutely need to...

Im for that. I have never said to take away guns, other than ones obviously created to kill people- assault rifles, most handguns etc. Only guns specifically made for hunting and handguns with very limited kill capacity should be made available.

For folks wanting to hunt, thats great! Hunters are the biggest stewards of wilderness in our country. I simply believe that the amount of ammo allowed them should be regulated so that they are only using it for hunting. If they want to practice shooting- target, skeet etc, then they can head down to the local range where unlimited ammo is available for their use at the site.

If someone actually lives in a rural area, then the regulations would be relaxed significantly.

I simply want to take away the mentality of owning guns just for the hell of it. If you own a gun i think it should serve a specific purpose, and regulations hsould help to ensure it is only used for that purpose.

 

[*DUMBCAN*]

Im for that. I have never said to take away guns, other than ones obviously created to kill people- assault rifles, most handguns etc. Only guns specifically made for hunting and handguns with very limited kill capacity should be made available.

For folks wanting to hunt, thats great! Hunters are the biggest stewards of wilderness in our country. I simply believe that the amount of ammo allowed them should be regulated so that they are only using it for hunting. If they want to practice shooting- target, skeet etc, then they can head down to the local range where unlimited ammo is available for their use at the site.

If someone actually lives in a rural area, then the regulations would be relaxed significantly.

I simply want to take away the mentality of owning guns just for the hell of it. If you own a gun i think it should serve a specific purpose, and regulations hsould help to ensure it is only used for that purpose.

Contrary to popular opinion, that's actually quite similar to the British gun laws:

- Absolutely no handguns or assault rifles.

- You can have a rifle so long as you hunt and can prove you do so. We need deer stalkers to keep the population under control. You can also have a rifle if you are part of a shooting club (with range), but very few of those exist.

- You can have a shotgun for two reasons (basically): pest control or game shooting. I use mine to shoot squirrels, they steal our walnuts.

All guns need a license (per individual gun), and it's not easy to get that license. You need to prove you have a use for it and you're not a nutter. A policeman will come to your house, interview you and check that you have adequate gun lockers. It's not that bad so long as you aren't the 'fuck da police' type, but if you have any sort of criminal record you don't stand a chance.

Guns can't be stored loaded, and must be in a dedicated gun locker. You have to keep the key with you or lock it in a safe.

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

Yes. fuck yes i am threatened by the way people use their ammo. specifically when they use it to kill other people.

IT WAS a bygone era when a statistically relevant portion of the population relied on a gun for food and protection from animals.

They are exceptions you jackass. The few thousand people who require guns for food and protection against animals are absolutely the exception to the american situation. Do you know what exception means? Guess not.

Do you not know what the demographic of the US looks like?

Do you know what the demographic looks like??? Over a million hunting licenses are sold in my state of Pennsylvania each year my friend. Hardly an insignificant portion of the population. When 1 in 12 people in the state are hunters I would hardly call it an exception.

Look I'm not even against making assault rifles or high mag handguns hard to get. I'm just saying severely limiting the buying of ammo is ridiculous. How does a cap of 500 rounds of total ammo a year sound? I'd vote in favor of that.

Only shooting at a range?? You're nuts. Where I shoot and hunt in northern PA damn near every other person has a range in their backyard and I like it that way.

People who use guns to commit murder are the exception not the hunters. There are what like 30,000 gun deaths per yer maybe? Do you know how many law abiding citizens take to the woods and fields each year and successfully and safely hunt with firearms? Millions upon millions.

 

[AT-AT]

Look I'm not even against making assault rifles or high mag handguns hard to get. I'm just saying severely limiting the buying of ammo is ridiculous. How does a cap of 500 rounds of total ammo a year sound? I'd vote in favor of that.

Why even do that? I live in New York, thanks to Cuomo and his band of loonies, I can even find enough .22 ammo to go teach my girlfriend how to shoot. I have not seen one box of it in the stores since the "SAFE" act passed.

Don't ever give up one single inch. Inches become feet, and feet become miles.

 

[PASKIINGSUCKS]

Why even do that? I live in New York, thanks to Cuomo and his band of loonies, I can even find enough .22 ammo to go teach my girlfriend how to shoot. I have not seen one box of it in the stores since the "SAFE" act passed.

Don't ever give up one single inch. Inches become feet, and feet become miles.

Woah woah WOAH, thats the slipping slope argument and it is never EVER true and I will hear none of it my friend you are flat out WRONG!!!!

Haha just kidding.

I can see it both ways. Sometimes tightening leads to even further regulation and more tightening. Other times it blows over and the regulations are seen as silly and overturned. I mean we did turn the assault weapons ban back over so who knows.

Anywho, Yea I feel for ya man, I'm glad I don't live in NY. I don't know all about what happened with gun laws up there but I heard they made some major regulation changes. How much of it is actively enforced though? Not an argument, just as a hunter and gun lover I'm genuinely interested how that's going.

Dude, don't even get me started on .22 ammo. I have no fucking clue what is up with that but I can tell you it's not just your problem up there in NY, it's impossible to find down here in PA as well and all across the country from what I hear. Sadly, gone are the days of sitting on the back porch and plunking pie plates and beer cans all afternoon with the ole 22 rifle. I just don't understand it at all.