Dew tour slope finals

judging was TERRIBLE! Irvine killed it sooo smooth 74 wtf is that? gus destroyed it too? I dont understand how they judge these events? it literally makes no scense at all.
 
maybe it was just me but the jumps looked smaller than normal. looked like they were barely getting dub 12's around. but i feel like this has always been an issue when it comes to comps.
 
bobby had the most tech run by far, and got absolutely raped by the judging. i get that he landed backseat on the 3rd jump, but maan thats bullshit i feel bad for him.

i would really like to know exactly HOW slopestyle is being judged. other sports are far more transparant in their judging, and are also much more consistent.
 
I spoke with some judges and they said that as soon as something unexpected happens to someone in his run (missed grab, coming off early on a rail, sketch landing), he will lose a big amount of points, whatever the rest of his run was. (I spoke to him real quick about it so I really don't know about the details). So that landing you just mentionned is exactly the reason why his run didn't score well. When you look at Wallisch's run of Godbout's, everything happens "as planned" so that's the reason why they get their full amount of points. So to win a big contest nowadays, whatever you throw, it has to be done perfectly, even if it's the hardest trick in the game. Otherwise, your score gets raped.
 
Sorry bud if you consider that a missed grab then wallisch missed his grab on his right side dub... That run was pretty much flawless in my books.

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And so was Tom's. I really think that the last two jumps are why Gus didn't win. The judges placed them higher in importance than the upper portion, because in my opinion, Gus's top section was more tech than Wallisch's, but the last two back to back left and right side sw dub 10s were just too flawless to give the win to anybody else. If Bobby and Schlopy hadn't washed out or landed backseat in their doubles, their runs would've won.
 
I am not trying to hate on wallisch here, I am super stoked he won and if I was judging I would of had him at #1 as well. But if you watch his (toms) run he clearly missed his grab on his last dub, or at least whatever he grabbed def wasn't japan. So based on that logic and the criteria the judges have set forth he should have be severely deducted for that.

That being said I don't think Gus's run shouldn't of won just because he never did a right side dub while geopper and wallisch did... But I have no idea how alexi makes the podium with the run he did compared to like Gus's or any of the other riders. I also think it's fucking stupid that if a person lands backseat or whatever they automatically can't get a good score. Everything should be taken in the context of the trick and conditions, you cannot apply a rule like that universally for all tricks in a competition. That's like saying the person who just fs 270's out of a rail could potentially get more points than a 270 pretzel 270 out if the person who pretzeled came off a bit early..

 
Shit, I was definitely thinking about someone else. That was a solid run but there are three things tom did better: 1. tom hit the rails on the second feature, pretty sure thats an extra point or two automatically regardless of trick. 2. gus did right sw 10 tom did switch dub 10 3. gus did forward right 9 tom did sw right 9, arguably harder IMO. everywhere else was similar, gus may have had one notch on the wallride and the top rail but thats about it. I think if gus did a sw right dub and hit the rails on the second feature he could have won.
 
i don't thin he's saying that he should have won. he should have been up on the podium with that run. i agree, tom deserved the win and i am stoked for him!
 
^Yea I have no problem with Wallsich winning... I agree he had the more difficult run for sure, and he deserves the win. I am just bewildered as to how Gus was unable to make the podium, esp seeing as Alexi run (3rd place) was pretty tame compared to like everyone else's; his best trick was a kang (not sure if it was unnatural or nor) which happend like years ago...

Another thing that bothers me is logic the judges use for determining the score... Like someone in this thread said they decided to take off huge points for things that are unexpected in the individuals run. Well if they are going to use that logic for judging peoples run (which imo is fucking retarded) it has to be applied to every single rider, because after watching Tom's run again he pretty much completely missed the grab on that right side dub which based on how they are judging should have killed his score, which it didn't.
 
refer to my previous post. gus' run was really good, but tom had three different features he did a better trick on and gus only did one trick better than tom. They both had flawless landings on everything and i might be more partial to toms style but i try to ignore style bias and focus on the overall trick and how clean it was, which gus' tricks were.
 
Tom's grab was there and good. But I really have a hard time understanding why Gus' run was so under scored. But let's not forget the judges don't have time to look at the runs a million times like we do so it's must be very hard to call a score within 2-3 min. Maybe Gus lost points because his rightside tricks were fairly "stock" (sw 10 and cork 9) compared to wallisch mirror perfect sw right dub 10. Still, I think Gus deserved at least a podium because his run was sick. After all, it's a judged sport so it's normal to not always agree with the judging. Same shit happens in ice skating, gymnastics, diving, snowboard and such.
 
Russ Henshaw today had probably the best jumps today (minus Wallisch) .... but was definitely bottom 3 on the rails. It's nice to see the judges actually watch the rail skiing portion and score less for guys for taking it easy.

 
Yeah i feel like tom got rewarded for hitting the rail feature on the second section, no one else hit it...
 
does anyone have Jamieson's run from finals? They only show like 3 hits from semi's in the highlights video.
 
Pulled from a freeskier.com articlehttp://freeskier.com/stories/broaching-objectivity-subjective-sport-afp-director-judging-josh-loubek-trades-monotony
Here is how the AFP judges a run:Each run’s overall score is based on overall impression, with overall impression being
comprised of amplitude, execution, variety, combinations, progression and difficulty.1. Before the contest actually starts, the judges watch training and practice to note what tricks are being thrown, the overall level of athletes and how the course or weather might affect the contest.2. Once a baseline of expectations is set, the judges create a scoring range: 90 plus is excellent, 80 is good, 70 is average, etc.3. During a skier’s run, five judges (in the case of pipe) mark down each trick thrown using a customized steno (shorthand). At the end of the run, the judges collectively decide which category it fits in, based on the scoring ranges outlined above (90, 80, 70, etc.).4. Once the run is placed into one of those buckets, it is compared against other runs in the same range to determine an order. Each judge scores the run based on his or her steno and amplitude, execution, variety, combinations, progression and difficulty.5. The highest and lowest judges’ scores are thrown out, and the average score is submitted to the head judge, who enters the score into the system.No matter how detailed the judging criteria is or how fair the judges attempt to be, there is no question that someone will always be upset by the outcome of a contest. “I even remember having fans at the X Games snowball the judging booth, so much so that we thought we might need security,” says Loubek.But unless we want our sport to be limited and controlled to the point where every run looks boringly identical (read: moguls), controversy and subjectivity in judging are compromises we must accept. So long as the right people stay at the helm, the judging side of the sport is, for now, in as good of hands as we can hope for. How it evolves come the Olympics, however, is up in the air. We’ll cross that delicate bridge when we get to it.
 
I completely agree with that judging system ^^ And really, no matter what sport you watch, there will always be controversy. Like in baseball you can have the best umpire, but he'll still make some calls that your team will disagree with. Everyone gets heated in competitions, and in skiing it's always Newschoolers haha.
 
That is exactly how I figured the scoring went. No matter how technical a run may be, as soon as there is any mistake, however subtle, the rider is marked way down. With the talent of todays competitors, your run has to be technical, stylish and done perfectly.No room for error.
 
Irvine did.. look 2 posts above at his run and tell me he didn't deserve top 5. I guess he didn't grab much on his cork 9, but I'd say the blunt off the rail makes up for it.
 
and that's why you're not a judge.

Did you even notice which way he spun? He spun left exactly once, only on the first jump. He threw a left cork 9 with a tickled tail grab for about 2/3 of one rotation....maybe.

He spun right on and off the first rail, spun right onto the second, with a right blind 3 swap to a right blind 2 out.

After his only left spin, he threw a sw right dub rod 9, to a right 2 on to front (right) 2 out to a right switch 9 to a right dub 10.

Listen.....Irvine's run was DOPE. It was a seriously sick run, but at that level, you will not crack top 5 when you opt to spin right 6 out of 7 features. On not one of the jibs/rails did he stop his rotation and either swap or spin out to the left. When you compare his run, in terms of tech difficulty and his ability/willingness to spin to his unnatural side, he's not even close.
 
Also, in addition to not really locking the grab on the left 9, he also didn't look to really grab much of his last two hits. watch the run again and be more critical, as judges must be, and tell me you think that run should have scored better than maybe an 81. That might be generous.
 
I completely agree. But that is also why I am confused as to how alexi did so well with his score... Like what his dub he threw at the end of his run unnatty?
 
not saying hes a bad skier but his run was decent but not top 5. only 1 unnatty spin which he missed the grab (blunt on rail feature DOES NOT make up for it) and his last dub was pretty sketch...
 
^At what point does 6/7 hits not become natural... But Jameson's run was dope, underscored, argument over.
 
He's good friends with Wallisch. Why wouldn't you support a friend?

IMO both runs were flawless. I liked Gus's on the jumps better than Wallisch. Wallisch killed the rails and that wall ride was just mind blowing
 
....I know. My point was that you're not going to place higher than 5th in a dew tour final when you rely so heavily on tricks to your natural side.
 
oh, I misinterpreted that, i thought you were saying that him spinning to the right made his run better, but re-reading your post I realize what you were saying, sorry, I have been a little stupid on NS today.
 
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