Denver Post knocks freesking

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Youth ski dichotomy keys on tradition versus trendy

By John Meyer

Denver Post Snow Sports Writer

To hear the buzz that surrounds the freeskiing movement, you'd think traditional ski racing has become so hopelessly old school it ought to be sponsored by Geritol or Viagra, or maybe a hearing-aid brand. You'd think the U.S. Ski Team soon will have a following as big as curling because, according to the hype, kids in ski towns are hucking and jibbing, not running gates.

In a foul-mouthed interview with Freeskier magazine, to cite one recent example, high school dropout Tanner Hall recently scoffed at the difficulty of World Cup ski racing and predicted its demise. I gather he's some sort of star in the freeskiing movement.

'Sorry to all those racers out there,' Hall said, 'but in 10 years you guys ain't going to be nothing.'

Sorry, Tanner, but youth membership in the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Association is up 4 percent over last year, and up 11 percent over three years ago.

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A lot of kids are doing tricks in halfpipes, congratulating themselves on how hip and brave they are, but there are still plenty of racers. They're the ones who understand ski racing was extreme before extreme was extreme.

Hall is upset because Bode Miller makes more endorsement money than he does, so he ridicules ski racing.

'All they do is ski down one icy (expletive deleted) run,' Hall said. 'Put me in a downhill and I might not go as fast as Bode Miller, but I'll make it to the bottom. Put any of those racers in the pipe and they won't even go.'

Daron Rahlves, a free-spirited Californian who finished second in the World Cup downhill standings the past two seasons and has dropped into a halfpipe or two, read Hall's interview and was incensed.

'I'm like, are you kidding me?' Rahlves said Tuesday. 'If somebody is going to be talking smack, they should know what they're talking about. He's not educated, he's young, and he's in his own little freeskier world. It's great to expand the sport.

'It's something the industry must pay attention to, but jumping on rails to me is more like Rollerblades. It's not skiing. These guys are impressive, they work hard to accomplish these tricks, but it's the same thing over and over again.'

The men's World Cup tour is here for four days of racing in super-G, downhill, giant slalom and slalom beginning Thursday. The Birds of Prey downhill course is one of the most challenging in the world, and speeds in Friday's downhill are apt to exceed 80 mph. I don't know Tanner Hall and I've never seen him ski, but I doubt he could finish within 15 seconds of Rahlves on the Birds of Prey - if he made it down. I'd put his chances at 50-50.

'I want to see him strap on some 215s,' said Rahlves, who won the Birds of Prey downhill last year. 'He couldn't even turn those things.'

Ski areas are courting the youth vote by building bigger, gnarlier terrain parks, but the U.S. Ski Team doesn't seem too concerned.

'Kids being in terrain parks, riding rails, riding in a halfpipe, the freeskiing thing, all of that stuff is good because it gets young people involved in winter sports,' said Bill Marolt, chief executive of the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Association. 'We want a bigger base of athletes, a bigger pool from which to choose our elite teams. I don't look at it as a negative, I don't look on it as competition, I just look at it as a way to help us market and promote our sport.'

Marolt and David Perry, chief operating officer of the Aspen Skiing Company which hosts the Winter X Games, believe ski racing needs to do a better job of marketing its stars.

'The stars of the X Games are exposed in a lot of new magazines, a lot of new media, ski movies, those kinds of things,' Perry said. 'That's why they're popular. The ski racers aren't getting as much exposure, which is unfortunate, because these are great athletes with compelling stories and they have cross-over appeal.'

Ski racing isn't dying. Miller is making it cool again. My kids can't wait to watch him race this weekend.

'Even though it's gone into a little bit of a dip (in popularity), I believe there's another surge coming,' Perry said. 'Everything is cyclical.'

John Meyer can be reached at 303-820-1616 or jmeyer@denverpost.com .

 
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haha what a fag hes like racing is more popular yet it doesnt have crossover appeal and isnt covered in the media

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I completely agree with this article. Tanner HAll has to respect ski racing. To become a top racer you need unbelivable amounts of dedication and training. No fucking C-Crew garbage here

 
fuck that bode miller guy, fuck tanner, fuck you all, ski what you want, when you want and how you want, who cares what people say

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im gonna have to agree with both the article and lateralis...tanner hall is a d-bag, but who cares what you do...just have fun doing it

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tru that lat im sick of half the posts on here like 'should i do park or pipe' who cares do what makes u happy. duct tape 2X4 to your feet and sit on the bunny hill all day , who cares.

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haha!! jumping on rails, etc it is all the same thing over and over!!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? and skiing through some stupid gates isn't repetitive!!?!?!?!?!? LOL. That guy is a dumb contradictory prick.

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did that article just say that freeskiing is all the same? and what the hell is racing?

and id like to see tanner strap on some 215's too....i rented 210's once and it was nothing.

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jsut because you don't watch ski racing doesn't mean it doesn't get prime time coverage. In europe, lsf the austrian news/sports chanel alots about 3 hours for every world cup. They have pregame analysis, etc... just like the superbowl... tanner's an asshat. Its a shame the media uses him as a spokesperson for the 'newschool' movement because not only does he ski like a gorilla, but he seems to have the intelligence of one too.

They should interview someone more level headed like olsen or mcconkey...

Rhalves is an incrediably talented skier. he rips crazy lines in AK whenever he gets the chance. Tanner obviously has never free skied with anyone that races because I garuntee you that plenty of them can destroy a park

 
thats retarted

ski racing is pretty cool cause they go so fast but its just so boring to watch

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sure rahlves can rip a backcountry line, he's a srong skier, he knows how to make turns, yay!!! Tanner is by far the best skier at what he does. And to people who think he's a little punk or whatever, maybee that's just because you've been a pussy your whole life and havent really had the balls to say what you're really thinking. Tanner does. He doesn't care if people know he dropped out of school, he doesn't care if he talked shit about racing, he's a God. Racers have strong legs and are good at making turns.

And the part abot it's all the same thing over and over, Um isn't racing where you go in the exact same tracks as the person before you praying to god you are 1 second faster.

Really when a race is that close both skiers are probably about the same in ability, maybee one was a little more areodymanic than the other, maybee one didn't take a shit in the morning, so he was a bit heavyer.

 
its a shame the so-called 'stars' of our sport have to be such ignorant fucks. you know, it is possible to be a pro skier, and be well spoken. However, I guess for Tanner, acting all hardcore and gansta is just more important to him and his image.

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tanner is awesome at what he does. rhalves and miller are awesome at what they do. the only difference is that the racers didnt come out and make negative statements about the freeskiers. i guess that comes with the 'rebel skier' ambience surrounding this side of the sport, and dont get me wrong, i like that, but why couldnt tanner just be quiet and let his superb skiing speak volumes about the skill and dedication required in this facet of the sport. his statememts, no matter how true he believes them to be, serve as an indicator of the feelings of the entire freeskiing industry, as he has become the figurehead and most recognizeable face in the sport. when he goes out and bashes the racers, it carries more weight than just his personal opinion, it becomes the stance of all freeskiers to the outside observer. as unfortunate as that is for tanner and his take no prisoners attitude, he has to realize that he is the main representitive for thousands of people, and that in the future, it might be more prudent to keep statements like that to a less public forum, or at least one that is not scrutinized by outside sources looking for a reason to attack freeskiing.

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'I gather he's some sort of star in the freeskiing movement.''

I pray he's being sarcastic... I also enjoyed the comment about Tanner skiing 215s. I can't wait for that one to happen. But yeah, he was being a bit of a dick. Meanwhile, the author of the article isn't much better, being, as he is, a condescending asshole assured of the inherent superiority of chasing gates. That never goes over well. I kinda pity his kids though... indoctrinated much?

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tanner can talk, but he needs to know what hes talking about first. and hes got to guve up that gangster skiing shit

 
the bias of the author is exactly what i was talking about. despite light years of progress, some of us are not that far removed from the NO JUMPING pass pullers of our youths, and we realize that there are still many who consider freesking a menace on the mountain or hill or dump or wherever. guys like the author of the article pounce on otherwise unimportant off the cuff remarks like tanners as another notch in the 'kill freeskiing' peg. im not saying tanner shouldnt speak his mind, i even applaud him for it. all im saying is that he should not be making waves in the ski world this soon after the original backlash around freeskiing has subsided.

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totally agree with JD here...

Tanner shouldn't have bashed racing, he may be good but I still think he's a douche bag and I'd smack him on his ass.

The guy writing this article got all indignant and had to make an article about how racing is SO much better than freeskiing.

I respect both freeskiers and racers. I'm no racer, but you're a fucking dumbass if you hate racers just because they ski differently than you (T-Hall included)

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'Hall is upset because Bode Miller makes more endorsement money than he does, so he ridicules ski racing.'

^ this comment was totally inappropriate and inaccurate. no one gives a fuck about how much bode miller makes in endorsements.

 
i give credit where credit is due. racing helped me reach the level of skiing i am at it helped me become a strong technical skier and know how to use and maintain my equipment properly. but i do hvae to say i gave up on chasing gates a long time ago for a reason. in that article someone said freeskiing is repetitive, try running the same training course all day, day after day now that is repetitive. freeskiing is a exactly as name says it is free. you enjoy yourself there is no coach pushing yuo and pressuring you to perfrom there is only you your frineds the mountain.

i say when you are young everyone should start out racing to gain the skills then when you have had enough take those skills and enjoy yourself to the full extent the mountain can offer

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Who cares what these people say. Are we going to quit 'freeskiing' and become racers because we read this article? No. Are racers going to cross over to freeskiing? No. So who cares, if racing is your thing, all the power to you, if not, so be it. It shouldn't matter what kind of terrain you ski, it only matters if you have a good time doing it. The End.

 
all i know is that a world cup downhill race is where the men are men. no question. i would never try and rip on any of those guys.

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this guys an ass, the sport isnt dyin out and he said that tricks are the same thing over and over again...........well isnt that exactly why most people switch from racing to ns, cause its the same damn thing

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anyone who thinks skiing park is more skiing than racing think about this. What matters more in park riding what you do on the snow or what you do in the air? I'm not cutting on 'freeskiing' and I've never raced but seriously if you asked me which was more 'skiing' I would have to go with racing. When I think of the park I think of gymnastics with skis on, thats not saying pro freeskiers arn't talented gymnists because they are. With a few weeks on a snowboard/ski blades most of them could repeat all their aerials or bag of tricks. But most ski racers couldn't strap on a snowboard and race at a professional level.

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racing teaches technique and racers shouldnt be bashed cause there doin what they like too do, but for this asswhole to come out and bash freeskiers, that just gay. its just as much(and soon more) skiing as racing.

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Tanner's comment reeks of jealousy. It's pretty pathetic. Why talk shit on Bode or racing because they make more money? People, Tanner has yet to make nearly as much money on a contract as Bode just did, but that's no reason to belittle Bode or racing. I'm happy that a skier is making that much money for his skills and hard work. I can't wait until freeskiers make that much. Tanner's my friend and I bet he wishes he could take that quote back. It's a lesson to the next guy getting interviewed - think before you get quoted being a dumbass.

 
yeah but seriously if hugo harrison or some other BM skier would take that DH run he would problably go really fast.

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I think that this journalist made a good job with this article. It makes us realize that racers think the same think about us as we think about them. So let's stop saying racing is gay, cause who cares. If we have fun in the park, why do we have to compare ourselves to other people.

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So this guy thinks USSA is growing, adn racing will make a comeback. Hmmmmmmmmm....

- Twin-tip sales have increased 662% from 2001-2004.

- 42% of ALL skiers out there are under the age of 24

- Halfpipe skiing will be an Olympic event in 2010

Yeah, he's right. Racing is getting bigger. IN fact, I see way more race skis on the shops wall than twin-tips nowadays...

 
Your article was posted in a web site I am a member too. I think one of your peers did an article similar to this a year ago, trying to make Freeskiing look bad (And that is what you are trying to accomplish) Well its great that you are trying to show people what this sport is about by using what one person says to make an example of 100,000 or so kids who freeski (rough estimate, I am sure its higher) Yes we all ski to be 'hip and brave' because that’s what its all about, you should know (If you didn’t get that ill explain. You wrote that article because you are trying to be brave, and 'hip' with in the racing community) Most people who join the race team do it because they want a free pass, to look cool, or because there parents pressured them into doing it. This of course is not all racers, some do it for the love and because they want to do it.

As for trying to make Tanner look like a person that can barley turn down the hill you didn’t do a lot of back ground on him. Tanner went to Park City’s Winter Sports School witch is a privet ski academy. He was coached by former Olympic skiers and was in the World Junior Championship. Granted he spend a lot of time in the moguls he no doughtily gained good knowable of racing also. Speeding into a 120 foot hit takes a great deal of speed and control, then going off it and doing a well planed and practiced trick increases the difficulty even more.

Putting this into your article just didn’t make much sense to me, maybe you can explain it 'These guys are impressive, they work hard to accomplish these tricks, but it's the same thing over and over again' I agree with it up to 'but it's the same thing over and over again', and then I get lost. This quote was coming from a racer, a person who speeds down a hill in a pre-formatted run, over and over and over again. I have watched racing, there isn’t much deviation in their runs. But then again it maybe because I do not understand racing, much like YOU and DARON RAHLVE don’t understand Freeskiing.

'Hall is upset because Bode Miller makes more endorsement money than he does, so he ridicules ski racing' I’m not sure if you ASSUMED this, or if there is fact behind it. Because I am sure that Tanner dose not have a problem being sponsored by BMW, a host of ski gear companies and also owning his own ski company. The amount of competition money he has won also is some thing I am sure that he is not dissatisfied with. He is skiing for a living, making a good deal of money, and doing what he loves, he doesn’t care that Bode Miller makes more then him (If that is even correct).

Forgive my spelling and grammar, I am sure you will notice it and I hope that you can get past it and read for the content.

 
I think when he says 215s he means proper downhill skis which are way heavier and wider than a regular ski plus they dont have much sidecut either. I think.

 
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'It's not like 215's are that much harder to turn than any other skis. Especially if it's a race ski with lots of sidecut.'

BAAAHAHAHAAA

Tanner is an amazing skier, and I wish I could do half the things he does on skis, but whoever said he was a god needs to get beaten with a stick. He is a fucktard that doesn't have the intelect to make blanket statements like he has. and I will admit, rhalves was also a bit out of line saying park skiing is just repitition.

I promise you DH skis are considerably harder to control than your twins, a rec ski, or even gs skis. They have little to no sidecut, are super stiff and like to run. and if you think going 120km/h is easy, don't be a pussy, step up and give it a try.

I think everyone can agree that in general the media is so many years behind where skiing is today. It seems *most freeskiers can respect racers and vice versa... media just likes controversy and they seem to be good at their job interviewing the likes of t-hall

and since when was 'Im a rebel that doesn't give a fuck and I can say what ever I want because I think Im the shit' an admirable quality??

 
This article was a completely misguided perception. It is ridiculous that Ralhves of all people can claim Tanner Hall as the close-minded and undiverse skier here. Racers are the ones after all that ski & train on the same course all day…and on ICY ones at that. I certainly don’t see it progressing into snowy all- mountain settings, the last time I checked considering that racing’s progression probably plateaued in the 1960’s. Racing is BIG in Europe, and guys like Darron and Bode are treated like rockstars over there (much more so than our freeskiing icons). And they get paid extremely well. But I know for a fact that Bode Miller is infuriated that he doesn’t get that same kind of acclaim/following here in the U.S. Maybe Tanner got his fame from big air and slopestyle jumping, but his true skiing skills / roots are no doubt very strong. They are completely unrecognized / underrated by most people, as well as the racer community. I think this goes for many of “newschool� skiers out there. The right image is being ignored here. And don’t forget that a lot of these freeskier names got their start in, and dropped, the sport of ski racing.

Maybe Tanner said “man� too many times in his interview, but I think he is completely correct. And I certainly don’t think that he is disrespecting skiing’s heritage. We will take over racing. Skiing is changing. No one can deny that kids are flocking to our sport (and away from the rigidity of racing) in droves. Media attention…largely through the X Games, has proved (and boosted) its popularity, and its driving racing out of the spotlight. Sales of twintips are on a massive increase, and I have no doubt that they will be driving ski companies agendas, much like racing has been doing, very soon. I hope that racers like Rahlves are threatened by this, because they are the ones with the lame attitudes, and this is the Future…and it’s only the beginning.

 
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