Dems lose VA in gubernatorial campaign...

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Delphi

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Conservative Republican Bob McDonnell won the governorship of Virginia today, beating out Democrat Creigh deeds by over 300,000 votes. This should come as a surprise in a state that was instrumental in voting Obama into the whitehouse.

Similarly, in the NJ gubernatorial race, moderate Republican Chris Christie took down incumbent Gov Jon Corzine (democrat). Big news for the GOP...maybe these victories will give the conservatives a much needed boost for the midterm elections. Also, these could be signs of Obama's waning support. We shall see!
 
the gay marriage question in Maine is incredibly close right now as well. 51 to 49% i believe, with 33% of precincts totalled.
 
PHEW*!! I almost thought you said Vermont there and I was about to lose my shit all over my keyboard.
 
explain to me why anyone cares about what happens in that shit hole called New Jersey again?
gov. really don't effect national Law though.
When ever people analyze this stuff they only look at the party, not the personal values that the canidate ran on. Just because they voted for someone who ran as a republican does not mean they think all dems suck.
 
Only think I can think of is that it represents the way people are voting which many think will affect the Congress and Senate elections that may or may not be coming up.
 
exactly, if people are fed up with Obama on the national level, they are going to take steps to get rid of his bases of power on the state level to ensure that he can't rally the type of support he needs to ram shit like healthcare down their throats.

and universal healthcare is not a win, but that is for a different debate.
 
71% of Maine precincts have reported in, and 51% of the vote rejects the gay marriage law. This could be a huge blow to marriage equality. It may show the feds that gay marriage isn't a federal issue. Shouldn't be a government issue.
 
so this is kind of off topic but were seeing pretty split decesions on some of the issues. Now the healthcare bill attempting to be passed in congress is almost to big of a bill to be passed by only a 50% majority. Dont you think that the constitution should be changed to have 2/3 majority vote on a bill that effects our economy and government this hugley i guess i should say..I dunno I could be sounding like a complete idiot, but completley disobeying the rights of a large minority kinda sounds like its against what our founding fathers wanted..
 
so this is kind of off topic but were seeing pretty split decesions on some of the issues. Now the healthcare bill attempting to be passed in congress is almost to big of a bill to be passed by only a 50% majority. Dont you think that the constitution should be changed to have 2/3 majority vote on a bill that effects our economy and government this hugley i guess i should say..I dunno I could be sounding like a complete idiot, but completley disobeying the rights of a large minority kinda sounds like its against what our founding fathers wanted..
 
Man, it takes a 2/3 vote in BOTH Houses to get an Amendment proposed. It takes another 2/3 of the State Houses to get an Amendment ratified. There was an Amendment in the works since 1792 or something until about 1998.

Reason I bring up the Amendment thing up is that it would be practically IMPOSSIBLE to EVER get 2/3 of the House/Senate to agree on what color the damn carpet is. AND, I am also bringing it up to say, you will never get that Amendment even proposed.

What the Founding Fathers/The Framers wanted with our Constitution was a very complicated government, one with so many checks on different things that it would be difficult to get anything passed. And the majority they need to pass this bill, is 50% + 1 PERSON.
 
yea i know all that, so sshouldnt this health care bill essentially be an amendment, because the changes that this would bring would be monumental, you could even argue that itd be bigger than some of the amendments.
Although the bill would never pass if it were an amendment, which would be fine by me lol.
 
Well, an Amendment is a change to the Constitution, which for examples sake I will use the Assault Weapons Ban that was lifted about 6 years ago. That, on a very VERY technical stand point was a temporary amendment to the Constitution cause it changed part of the Constitution and changed part of the Bill of Rights. Since Healthcare is never mentioned in the Constitution, you could never make it into an amendment.

I love my gov't class.
 
speaking of guns, did you see what Montana did? They passed legislation that effectively superseded federal control in the state. They made it a law that any gun produced and sold in Montana is NOT subject to federal firearms regulation.
 
No one needs an automatic weapon. PERIOD. I don't know why these people care about gun control so much. Guns are completely unnecessary.
 
The second amendment was added as a means for the people to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. If it wasn't for people owning their own guns, we would not have gotten our Independence when we did.
 
not suprising. obama won because he turned out the black and young voters like no ones business. no one else has the appeal that he did for those demographics.

the only thing im really disgusted by is the fact that it looks like gay marriage is gonna be overturned in maine. will homophobia ever die?
 
I'm sure people in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia wouldn't agree with this. How else can a group of people ever hope to overthrow a tryannical government? Not to mention your right to protect yourself and your family from harm. But yeah, guns are completely unnecessary. what an ignorant statement.
 
realistically though, how is any civvy gonna overthrow government. just not gonna happen.

honestly the only gun reform i REALLY wanna see is the loopholes in terms of guns shows and the shit they can get away with there.
 
The point of it is to make the govt less likely to try and do anything extremely stupid. It is developed as a check on the govt.
 
But that's a completely different situation in which guns serve as a means of protection while no other means are available. We have a great system of government with the proper devices that allow Fascism or Stalinism. Sure, the criminals in our country use guns, but there's really no need to care about gun control as much as these people do. We will always allowed to use guns for protection, but what the conservative right is going for is entirely unnecessary for what they are going to use them for. No one's disputing the fact that guns are useful, I'm just trying to say that for their uses, our gun laws and the proposed gun laws by the left are sufficient.
 
*that allows us to protect ourselves from the threat of Fascism or Stalinism, sorry. Fucking fancy editor.
 
It makes me want to hunt Arabian down and have a bear maul him, so goddamn distracting. I don't know if it is just coming from the fact it is bouncing, or that it looks so happy while bouncing.
 
but i dont think that really works. i dont think at any point our politicians have gone "oh shit, shouldnt do that, our people have guns"
 
haha you never know, if these tea party protests actually lived up to what they are being billed as by the left wing, i think any government would be afraid.
 
Conservatives are going to use guns to protect their families, correct?
You don't need a fully automatic AK to protect your family, and you don't need to be able to purchase guns without certification in large numbers from gun shows, and the 3 day rule IS REASONABLE. The average criminal who is going to break into your house is not going to have black market connections and own a full auto shotgun.
 
You forgot the yet thing... politicians are getting ever more retarded as the years go on, you never know.

The last two leaders that got extreme gun control down were Hitler and Stalin. That type of government control I do not want.
 
I think you need to lay of the pundits man. From what I've seen, the teapartiers have only been shown as retarded and useless protests right alongside the birther movements. Show me an article that describes the teapartys as "Violent protests" or "Riots".
 
Ben, Mr.Panda, and Delphi are now all active in this thread...the world is complete again
And I'm gonna go ahead and predict this to be a 3 page threadAnyone want to go over or under?
 
are you serious. Not too long ago, MSNBC was lamenting over the fact that the american conservative movement was comprised of a bunch of violent, racist, gun toting lunatics who want to assassinate the president. where have you been? By the way, the gun toting "racist" they were reporting on, you know, the guy who brought his gun to a town hall meeting, was black.
 
Man, if some nutjob were to break into my house to try and hurt me... I would want to fill him full of lead. Yeah, I may be a bit of a nut but honestly, you break into my house with a weapon I will fuck your shit up.
 
so explain this to me. conservatives are (or at least are supposed to) be against small government, and personal freedom. then why are they against gay marriage? arent you infringing on personal freedoms, and getting the government involved in marriage by regulating who can and cant get married?
 
For small gov't you mean right?

Cause Conservatives hold the damn Bible so high up as truth when yet it is a total lie.
 
no he wasn't? msnbc may be retarted and left skewed but that guy definitely wasn't black. you're a dumb dumb.
 
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