Death to the Terrain Park as we Know it

Marc was skiing in the BC i'm pretty sure. This kid got jacked up at a resort, there is a huge difference.
 
i think the real tragedy in this is that there will be 0 decent terrain parks in the LP of michigan. that fucks over soo many people, skiers and snowboarders. soo fucked up its rediculous
 
you know what i hate? those faggot kids that are 3-6 and suck and go in the park and stand on the top of jumps with there parents like a bunch of homos....
 
Ok, I know most of you guys aren't old enough to have had the opportunity to read an insurance policy, and the rest of you prolly just signed yours without reading it, but I happen to work in the insurance industry, so I know what a policy says... By signing the policy you have agreed that you will help the insurance company to recover any losses, i.e. the insurance company will sue whoever they want on your behalf to recover losses and you will testify in the trial if they want you to. This kid has no choice, if he doesn't participate in the lawsuit the insurance company will come after him for the amount of his claims.

I also want to say that anyone who has said something to the effect of "this kid is a d-bag", or "we should kill this kid" needs to grow up... this kid didn't go out with the intent of ruining the rest of his life, and f-ing up parks for anyone else.
 
Why is that? Because skiing in a resort gives you an excuse to blame somebody else for your choices and actions? What a fucking pathetic outlook....

Unless some employee of the resort physically forced the guy to hit that feature, there should be absolutely no difference at all, he made a bad choice (hitting a jump WAY WAY too fast) and tragedy ensued. It is terrible for him and he has my sympathy, however it is NOT anybody's fault but his.
 
chill your beans... I am just saying when you ski at a resort, the resort is probably liable for obstructions on runs, poorly designed features and trail mergers. In other words, things that a resort can change to minimize risk. When you are in the BC, it is all you, you take control of your own destiny. However, because at a resort you are on that mts property they are probably more likely to get sued when someone gets hurt. That said, I do think some parks are poorly designed and a HUGE danger to people, especially at smaller mts with crappy park crews. I personally have approached a jump that looks fine, being catious and end up overshooting huge. That's bullshit, when you ski at a terrain park you should expect to be able to at least land in the landing zone on a consistent basis. You know? Sometimes when you hit a jump for the first time, it is hard to judge speed, so I started the jump where the inrun was built. I approached with what I considered normal speed and I overshot huge and broke my arm. I had crazy surgery bills it sucked. I understand that in skiing you are accepting the risk, and should be able to ski at a level where you are safe and in control. But seriously, I honestly thought that jump was designed POORLY, it could have happened to anyone. And you know what, a ski Patroller saw me hit that jump, he was like wow that is fucked up. Needless to say, they designed the jump differently the next season. So, I can emphasize with this kid. He probably had no choice but to sue, I personally think we all need to be responsible for ourselves, I would never sue a mt. for being injured unless i like got run over by a snowcat or something. Skiing is dangerous no doubt, but a park jump should have some sort of design going into IMO.
 
They say it was eyeballed by a guy in a snowcat and need to be looked at by an engineer. Yet this guy just graduated school as an engineer and deemed it reasonable enough to book some serious ass off of it. Either he is a shitty engineer, or a shitty skiier, one of the two.
 
I hate when people charge into a crappy jump at eighty miles an hour effectively paralyzing themselves and blame other people for how lame they are.
 
I love the insurance industry. I really do. It's such a well groomed money-making industry. You provide people insurance, then when they do get hurt, you force some other insurance avenue to pay for the costs, and then the industry raises premiums further to "recoup the costs", when the money is all just lining the pockets of the insurance industry eitherway.

It really is brilliant.
 
What a tool. Ensure that they're built correctly? Guaranteed that's exactly what his lawyer told him to tell everyone so he could rally support instead of garnering hate from... well, everyone. If so many people hurt themselves off it beforehand, then maybe he shouldn't have been such a goddamn idiot and hit it as fast as he did. Obviously it's a jump that needs to be taken cautiously.

Ever think that maybe the reason so many more people hurt themselves that year than in years past is because the sport is growing and getting flooded with more dumbfuck gapers like that guy? Sure, it might have been a little unsafe, but you assume that risk when you go in to the park and read the WARNING sign at the beginning and sign for your pass.

Now, legally, everything I said is irrelevant. There are loopholes to everything. The guy is still a tool. They need a park pass that has something along the lines of "Under no circumstances is [insert mountain here] responsible for any injury endured while the rider is in the terrain park. By signing this contract, riders agree to assume full responsibility for any injury for whatever reason, and exclude [insert mountain here] from any and all legal action."
 
People are so fucking sue happy they would sue there own moms for naming them. This same thing happened to my neighbor and his motocross track and now we have to sign waivers everytime we ride.
 
well for those of us in NH, i dunno if you noticed but boyne just bought loon waterville and crannmorre... is there anytalk of them messing with LMP etc because if there doing that in michigan i dont want to see the new owners screwing us over
 
there was a guy who tryed to sue god because his life sucked but it got dismissed because they couldnt locate gods address to serve the court papers. We have the right to sue in america but I dont think that a judge should let these cases stay in court for very long. I feel bad for the guy that got hurt at snoqualmie but its not the mountains fault he got hurt. I kinda want to be a judge when i grow up or do something like that so maybe i could help prevent redic cases like this from lasting more than a day in court.
 
you my friend deserve a swift kick to the nuts. he will definately use the money for caregiving purposes. they estimated that it would cost 20-25 million to care for him for the rest of his life.
 
Guess you will have to visit the UP. Head over to Marquette or Ripley or brule or big snow. Or you can ride the awesome terrain of Mt. Bohemia (aka the BC of the midwest). But ya I don't know if I will be going to Nubs this year.

 
Oh yeah, and who's "they" again? Oh right, his lawyers and their "experts". Open your mind just a little...

Other people in similar situations have gotten by on much, much less.

But again, whether it will cost 200 million or 1 dollar, is really beside the point. People are getting on here and posting indignant statements about the cost of his care justifying a lawsuit. As if all of a sudden the resort becomes more responsible for his actions, simply because the result of those actions is more tragic than the average wipeout.

The responsibility behind the accident remains the same, whether he broke a nail, twisted his knee or paralyzed himself. I doubt many people on here would agree with a lawsuit in either of the first two instances, however for some reason they agree with this lawsuit based purely on the outcome of the action, as opposed to the responsibility behind the action.

The degree of tragedy should have absolutely no bearing in a decision regarding who was at fault for the accident.

 
Thing is you could invest $14mil in a basically risk free investment and it would earn $700,000 a year and I was lazy on that and only compounded annually. So basically he puts that money in a money market account and he makes the top 2% of income in America seems like some judge needs to learn that $14 million over a lifetime doesn't require nearly that much today.
 
information came out ... that the man who built [the jump] eyeballed it with a Sno-Cat" rather than engineering a design

haha who engineers jumps unless they are making a course for a major comp like the x-games!

 
did you read any of it? his injuries are expected to cost 23 to 26 million dollars throughout his life. I ride snoqualmie, I was completely pissed off when I first heard this, but its like, he can't move, what's he supposed to do? starve?
 
yeah fuck him let him starve. in africa if a little kid goes and smacks a lion in the face to impress his friends, and gets paralyzed by the lion, he doesnt get to sue anybody for his own stupidity, and neither should this kid.

so if i do something redicoulous that puts me in a coma and it costs 100 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR to keep me alive do I deserve it? fuck no
 
i would jizz my pants. im sick of entire familys of gaypers cutting under the ropes from the groomers to the park thinking: that looks fun. then cutting off a bunch of kids, or getting landed on. and im even sicker of kids that suck wang at park, biting off more than they can chew, trying to show off by going of the big jumps, and wrecking themselves. its BS that thousands and thousands of people should have to pay so dearly for one kids mistake.
 
Did YOU read any of it? The "estimation" of 23 to 26 million was a number put together by THE GUYS LAWYER!

Good for America that there are people like you to sit on juries and take the attitude "if this here fancy lawyer dude said it, then golly gee it must be true!"

A quick google of "quadriplegic cost of living" will turn up significantly different numbers. If you actually care to look deeper than a lawyers greedy "estimate".

Spreadsheets are available to detail the costs, averaging about a 660,000 initial cost (including custom house, etc), then around 130,00 per annum after that. Apparently this guys lawyers expect him to live to be 300 or so considering their estimate.

Just had to point that out for everyone who blindly believes the lawyers....

But as always, the cost is so beside the point, responsibility is not determined "after the fact" depending on how unfortunate your situation happens to be.

As shitty as it is for him, it is not the resorts fault, and they should not have to pay for his mistake...
 
Yea and as I stated earlier inflation grows slower than what even a good money market account grows at. Basically if you can't live off 2-3 million for the rest of your life you need to hire a new financial adviser.
 
Making sure you aren't a douche carrying four to five times the speed needed to hit that jump matters the most. Responsibility is a word with no meaning anymore. Has anyone listened to the people that hit the jump? They said it wasn't perfect but it wasn't built wrong by any means. And how can a jump be built wrong for someone who overshot it by.... 70ish feet? He didn't have a tow in. He was in control of himself. And he failed.

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as i, and many other Washingtonians have said before, the jump was mediocre, not terrible, not great. it was a pretty usually 30 ft table for the time, now you do the physics on it: he went 110ft and it was a 30ft jump, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this guy was so far out of control that he easily could have veered left of the jump and hit the lift tower and received the same injury. it would help if you didn't make these type of assumptions and read the comments in here and other threads about the jump. and for reference, they cited ike 5 other injuries in the case, well i've been to both whistler and breck and seen that many people carted out of the park in the same day, so it's all relative.
 
This topic has been fervently dicussed many times - here is the reality -

Sitting from your perspective healthly weathly and ignorant of his situation is an easy place to be. I would bet my house that 99.99999999% of this site would do the saqme thing had this happened to them.

Here is your situation, overshot a jump and now you are a quadrapalegic facing MILLIONS of dollars of medical bills - what do you do? What does your family do?

Do they sell their house, go into debt? kill themselves? Kill you? Throw you out on the street or into a state facility?

Or do they and you sue to recoup costs and save your live and your family from GENERATIONAL debt?

I would guarentee that anyone of you would sue...

but keep riding your high horse, it wont happen to you.

 
As another Washingtonian, I stand fully behind Ryan's comments. It was also an icy as fuck week, there was at least one injury requiring a sled every day just in the park for those 5 preceding days. He was an idiot to be attempting jumps that far out of his ability level with conditions like that, and he obviously is at complete fault for rolling into that jump with too much speed.
 
I beg to disagree. I would never under any circumstance sue anyone for something that was my fault. Its frivilous lawsuits that contribute to the propogation of people dissassociating themselves from their responsibilities. Look around, look how many drugs there are today for all these different "disorders." If a kid can't focus and do well in school because he's screwing around all the time, its not because the kid is dumb/lazy/poorly raised/disobedient (like it was when I was in grade school just some 10-15 years ago) its because he is a victim. Everyone loves to play this victim card now, its sickening. To quote Matt and Trey from the South Park movie: "we better blame someone else before someone thinks of blaming us."

I cut my gums after biting into a chicken nugget one time and finding a fragment of glass. Did I sue? No. Could I have probably made a million dollars even after some frivilous lawsuit lawyer took his 70% for all the work ihe put in fabricating a case? Probably.

The child (and I call him a child because he did not act in an adult manner) signed a waiver, he knew the risks of hitting the jump. He screwed up, why make others pay for his mistake? Doesn't sound fair to me.
 
And you sir have repeatedly given us your view that because it's his fault, we all should pay for him. You sir, are what is wrong with america in todays society. Give up all our rights to pay for people who don't think before they act. If the jump had been built wrong, you would be correct that sue to recoup losses is the correct way to go. But to have such a bad judgement in speed tells the rest of society, snow society anyway (as the jurors were really ignorant to pass the judgement they did) that he did not have the skills needed to be in that park, therefore his decision to hit that jump and have it go so wrong is not a decision we should all have to chip in for.

And as for the jurors hearing from physicists that the jump was built wrong... I can bet that their diagram showed his flailing arc onto his neck as the core, and the jump as the imperfection. Had they shown the jump as the core, and his arc being the imperfection anyone with a reasonable head on them should come to the conclusion that the jump wasn't meant to throw people that high or that far into space, he just carried himself to those heights and distances on his own accord. I would have loved to have sat in the courtroom and watched how this whole trial went down. Would be very interesting.
 
all i could think of the whole time i was readin this thread was dumonts season ending crash!!!

but to add my 2 cents, yea i think there should be park passses and it should be in a location where gapers cant get to it without goin thru the entrance (which would require a special pass or somethin)

also, correct me if im wrong but in order for this noob sauce to get a lift ticket, dont you have to sign a liability release saying you wont sue the resort and that you will only ski within your own ability!!!!

i say its the stupid gapers fault and he eserves to be paralyzed for his stupidity...
 
Your outlook on this is indicative of the attitude in society that allows lawsuits such as this to be pursued.

Thankfully, I think that your 99.9999% figure is not even close....Careful on that bet, you might lose your house, (then of course you would sue this website for providing a forum in which you could make a silly bet like that.......)

Marc Andre, Josh Dueck, and countless other skiers are surviving the costs of paralysis without resorting to lawsuits.

It is really sad that people like you are using terrain parks, when you obviously think that if you ever choose to make a very bad decision that wrecks you, it is perfectly acceptable to pin the blame (and the cost) on somebody else.

According to your (skewed) logic, suing is OK, regardless of fault, simply because of the terrible situation that the person found themselves in.

I'm curious as to what exactly you define as the tipping point where someones situation becomes tragic enough to justify suing purely based on your "need" for money. Does someone with a broken leg qualify?

Is there a dollar figure at which point you can say "Well, this mistake that I made will cost me X amount of dollars, so that qualifies as enough money to take from somebody else, because that much money is simply too much for me to deal with, even though the situation is entirely my fault".

I would shy away from speaking for other people on this one if I were you. Simply because you personally can justify the suit is not enough reason to automatically assume that everyone else would act in that manner.

 
this cud be a good thing because resorts will have park passes so people like him wont go in ther. winter park has this and they have one of the sickest parks.
 
one point that hasn`t been brought up...

People say the hill is somewhat to blame because there had been numerous injuries on this jump. Maybe the jump was fine and 5 idiots in 5 days hit it. Or the ice had no give and any bail caused injury. Regardless of all that, when I go into a park, I ask people what features are like (after I have checked them out myself). He would have found out that this jump had hurt many people and he may have chosen to not hit it. I think the fact that the jump HAD hurt a few people furthers the notion that this guy is a moron who was not responsible and was skiing well beyond his means.
 
well now its rapeing every resort in the lower peninsula of michigan. if this is right there will be literally 0 places with decent jumps in lower michigan. all of us here are getting fucked over soo hard
 
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