De-tune new skis?

Hotdawgg-Skier4

Hotdawgg-Skier4

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okay so i just purchased new 4frnt stl skis i am going to ski the next two days. I am planning on shredding rails and jumps all day and the i am going to high north in the summer should i attemt to de-tune them if yes then how! or no?

 
don't do anything the first thing to do when you buy new skis is to get them machine tuned and then do what you want with them.
 
Take an elephant toe nail file to them. but go really lightly. Hey sandy, your my bro. we have a detuner in the Furnace room, I fergot to tell you that ish.
 
uh ok...can you hold a racing carve?

I don't think so with detuned edges. Especially on ice.

it's just easier to turn and do pretty much everything that's not in the air if you have a sweet tune-up.
 
Nah, man, with ease I can hold a turn. But were "free skiers""" if you wannu call it that ish, and I like get away from all that racing ish. And yeah, I have tried hold edges on ice, and I find it fine. I dont know, maybe you assume that is just ride park and cant ski for normal. It doesnt really matter to me, but I guess it kind of does matter to me since Im posting a lot back and forth about god damn edges.
 
clearly you have never actually skied on tought terain then, when your on a true steep (50+deg) thats a little icy, cause if you have de-tuned edges you will burn, and burn hard. You really know nothing abut skis do you
 
yeah have you ever caught an edge on a rail? you dont want that to happen, thats like a mega like death
 
yes i have, infact i learnt rails on a pair of race skis, but you why could you can ski properly you dont need to de-tune the edges, yes it helps, but is it nessary no
 
Alright. IT's obvious that pretty much everyone who's against another person in this thread rides different disciplines. I ski on all kinds of terrain, and I can easily hold my own (edges and ego included). Im not gonnu say anything bad about big mountain skiers and Royale you defiantly seem like you know your ish about big mountain, I don't know to much about it. But I also don't have the means to hike or sled or take helicopters to peaks, but I do ride a lot of different terrains. And it's become my personal opinion that I don't find edges one hundred percent necessary. Well sure, you do need edges, but I would way rather have a de-tuned edge than a sharp edge, for park and all-mountain. And don't tell me I don't know anything about skis, thats bunk, I know my preferences and I know what's popular with those in my discipline (whatever you wannu call it)... It's my personal opinion I've come up with over the last 13 years of skiing.. Thanks..
 
this guy is kinda the man.

and ive never detuned my edges, and skiied nothing but brand new skis. sliding rails isnt too difficult with super sharp edges. you guys are just pussies who decide to ruin legitimate skiing (ie. ripping gs turns or intense bc lines) just so you can make sliding rails easier. learn to ski, then slide rails with sharp edges. if you still catch your edges, and the rail isnt wood, then you shouldnt be skiing in the first place.
 
That's cool.

It's my personal preference over the last 11 years of skiing that tuned edges are good for all mountain. But that's just me.

Do what you want, just don't fuck yourself over.
 
well thankyou to anyone who talked about my perdicament! ill take notes tomorrow and decide weather to dull the middle of the edge before camp. peace ombreys
 
i think you'd probly be good off to just take a bit of sand paper and don't like, really have at it, but just take the very corner of the edge down a tick in dullness if your worried about it. I mean come on, its camp.. you'll be hiking rails and skiing slush. leave those edges at home
 
I detune tips and tails, common thing to do. And on my park skis I just don't tune them under the boot and that part of the edge has just dulled from rails. With new skis you should probably tune first (factory tunes usually suck) then detune tips and tails.
 
i never de-tuned mine when they were new and i havent caught my edge once. i wouldnt.
 
First, get a shop to put a 1 degree bevel on both surfaces of the edge. Then make sure that they de-bur it too, it's really important it's smooth. Burs that come from bouncing off rocks and rails don't matter, but tuning burs do matter, you feel them.

Then, take a ruler, and detune (meaning dull with a file) the edge from a point about 5 inches back from the place where the tips bend upwards all the way to where you know the edge will not hit the snow on the tips or tails. You don't make the edge round, it will still look sharrp, you only want to make it so it isn't sharp. Take about a half a millimeter off of the corner, maybe alittle more, and detune a transition between the sharp and dull.

After that, take that file and detune underneath your feet. You DO NOT want to catch an edge on a rail. put a boot in the binding, detune from about 2 or 3 inches in front of where the toe of the boot is above the edge to 2 or 3 inches from where the heel of the boot is above the edge.

You will want to detune underfoot just a tad more than you detuned in the tip and tail.

After that, I always take the file and make one pass over the entire edge, so it isn't razor sharp.

This is how I tune a new park ski. If you don't plan on skiing park only, then you should detune under your feet only enough so the edge isn't razon sharp, and let rails take away the rest.

If you plan on center mounting, then the skis won't be good for the rest of the mountain at all anyways, so just do the full detuune I described.

It is always good to detune the tip and tail on any ski. if you are just going for a big mountain ski, then you might not detune up tp 5 or 6 inches in the tips and tails, even though I do simply because I am used to duller edges.

REMEMBER... these are just my suggestions. Don't complian if you screw up, I have done this a bunch and learned from people who have done it their whole lives.

I sent this to the guy in a PM, just thought I would share my knowledge with you all
 
Ski edges crack because rails heat them up, then they touch the snow and cool off very quickly making them frail, thats why there are 3 edge systems, to distribute the heat. Less friction=less heat. Detune edges=less friction=skis last longer= big mountain hacks with sharp edges always being like what the fuck man i do one rail and my edges are fucked.
 
No, there is no way that edges generate that much heat. Try it with a piece of metal and a handrail sometime. I have done experiments and talked my physics teachers about it.

The reason why edges crack is because metal gets frail as it is compacted. Steel gets harder and harder, and becomes brittle, then cracks when an edge is hit hard on a rail.
 
I will have to slightly disagree with you on that. Idk about anyone else, but sometimes when we ski park at night, we'll get sparks under the rail at times. I mean that could possibly be due to poor waxing, but yes sliding metal on metal, can generate a lot of heat down there.
 
That is true, but sparks have such little energy in them, its a super small occurance of a large amount of heat. think about a grinder, you can generate a lot of sparks without making you metal hot, and the sparks themselves aren't hot. The reason they glow if because it's so little material.

the sparks come from the burrs in your edges and what can be rough handrails.
 
Why the fuck is there all this arguing here? The guy bought STLs and said he's just skiing park on them. No-one asked about big mountain or ice - IT'S MAY, IT'S GOING TO BE SOFT SNOW.

Detume them slightly under the bindings dude. Take a file or stone at 45 degrees and just take them down very slightly.
 
all you do man is just hit a rail a few times with yoru new skis but try to royale it a bit and thatll get it to the point you want really quickly.
 
unless you live in the east detune all your edges!!! There is no point on soft snow: BC, big Mountain, park, whatever, I even detuned my parents skis last time they were up... made my mom a better skier... more confident after realizing that edges wont catch so easy
 
just ski alot of rails or take the ski and scrape the edge against a rail and dull em a bit

you should be fine

just be careful the first time you hit the rail
 
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