Dave matthews Band

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Tosh

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does anyone on this site listen to them???

i just came back from his show in van city and it was off the hook one of the best shows i have ever seen

 
'Down with Dave Save the Trees!' nahh I'm just kidding he's got some good stuff. And I heard his live shows are really sweet.

'Pipe Is Nice'
 
The music is sweet.

'Remember that postcard Grandpa sent us from Florida of that alligator biting that woman's bottom? That's right, we all thought it was hilarious. But it turns out we were wrong. That alligator was sexually harrassing that woman.'
 
its one of my favorite bands. live at red rocks is the best cd ever. his band is so good, their knowledge of music is amazing, its a really unique sound. i love it

'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper
 
do you? why man?

'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper
 
I don't know, I never really liked Dave Mathews, some of his old stuff off Under the Table and Dreaming was okay, but it never really captured me. I don't know why i dont like it, maybe because he so popular or something in his sound, but im not sure why. I music genre is right up my ally kinda of an acoustic, jazzy mix but I just don't like him, even though he is a very good musician.

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Andrew

'Me fail English? That's unpossible.'

-Ralph Wiggum
 
yeah, i agree is new stuff sucks. i havent heard is newest album though. under the table and dreaming was some of his best stuff. as soon as he hit the mtv seen a lot it just went down hill

'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper
 
yeah definently...i was listenin to dave like right when under the table and dreaming came out and one of his first concerts....but now his new shit is like pop fast and gay...i only like aobut 4 dave mathews songs, and none are new

newschoolers.tripod.com
 
DMB is easily one of the most talented groups around right now. His concerts are amazing. All the ones I have gone to are like 90% high school and college kids with about 60% of that being hot girls. THe tail-gaiting is always a great time before and after.

Women plan for the future by naming their unborn children while men plan for the future by buying two cases of beer
 
God they suck...I dont care if they are tallented, and they really arent that tallented. Plus I dont care how great of a concert they put on, I am not gonna pay 70 bucks to see some guy with a whiney country voice stand still and sing on stage. Plus I dont want to watch through a telescope to see him from my seat on the other end of the football stadium filled with 50,000 abercrombie wearing kids who drove up in the jeep wranglers. Hey i hear there are lots of hot girls at NSync concerts too, so what if they are 12...

Here’s a hint in case you’re slow

Lollapalooza is not a show
 
They may not be your style of music but they are extremely talented. I have gone to three of his concerts and I have never paid more than $40 and they have always been good seats.

As for the hot girls at an NSYNC concert I wouldn't know and if you like 12 year olds that's your problem.

Women plan for the future by naming their unborn children while men plan for the future by buying two cases of beer
 
hahaha, I like dave as well. Lillywhites were pretty ill, if you knew any of the story behind the latest cd, you would probably understand why the different sound has come out, but thats alright. I just get free tickets to the concerts, or buy 2 and scalp 1 for the price i payed for both = free show either way. Its all good, got some sweet lyrics.

 
will whats the story? and how come lillywhite sessions never came out?

skiing in fun

if canadian bacon is ham, then what is bacon?
 
yeah lets hear it

'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper
 
i thought theyre making a new cd w/ lillywhite songs on it in july. Lillywhite is much better than gay everyday cd

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I prefer to be free
 
good god its quite long...rather than mess it up in a few spots i'll go find the real story and post it up. its all about the band not sounding how they all want, producers not working too well, the cd getting 'released' was also an accident. while one of the members was on a ski trip, the demo 'lillywhite' cd they had was in the cd player and some dude burned it. Impersonation, miscommunication, deceit. Its all there. don't get your panties in a bundle, but this may take awhile.

 
Pt 1.

The Long,

Botched SummerThe birth, death and rebirth of a DMB

album The odd saga of the Dave Matthews Band's

lost album is the most compelling mini-drama of the

Napster age. Recorded during the summer of 2000 in DMB's

hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia with their longtime

producer Steve Lillywhite, the sessions were aborted, and

Matthews flew out to Los Angeles to finish the album with

producer Glen Ballard. Instead of merely continuing the

process Lillywhite had begun, Matthews and Ballard began

writing new songs together, songs that so inspired

Matthews that he decided to shelve the original tracks he

had brought with him. The new songs would become

DMB's blockbuster 2001 release Everyday. (Only one song

-- '#36,' which would be lyrically reworked into

Everyday's title track -- was gleaned from the earlier

sessions.)As for the other orphaned songs that make up The

Summer So Far (the name written on the eight discs

burned for producer Steve Lillywhite, engineer Stephen

Harris, A&R man Bruce Flohr, and each DMB member

following the aborted sessions), they have not gone away

quietly. Leaked over the Internet as 'The Lillywhite

Sessions,' the tracks have captured the imagination of the

DMB faithful, who have been demanding their proper

release. Now comes word that the fans will get their

way.'At some point, the band has every intention to put

those songs out in some form or another,' says Bruce

Flohr, Senior VP of A&R and Artist Development at RCA

Records. 'Down the line, the band will finish the record

in the way it was intended to be finished. The songs

will come out, and people will still want

them.'Were that to happen, Lillywhite -- who has also worked

with the likes of U2 and the Rolling Stones -- says

there would be substantial work to do beyond just

mixing and mastering. 'Some songs were pretty much

finished,' he says. 'But others need a lot of work. They

were just put on there as more like a demo than a

formal recording. There would be some overdubbing

needing to be done. But songs like, 'Bartender' and

'Busted Stuff' and 'Diggin' a Ditch,' all sound good to

me as is.'DMB has been playing most of the

songs on their current tour, and, according to a band

spokesperson, versions of them are likely to pop up on the next

DMB live album, possibly due by year's

end.But, even supposing The Summer So Far were to get its

official release, the question remains: Why was it

scrapped in the first place?'It's a myth that the

big, bad record company came down and said, 'Where's

the hit?'' Flohr says of the decision to shelve The

Summer So Far. 'That's absolutely incorrect. There are

plenty of songs on that unreleased record that are going

to be big commercial singles. No one -- Steve

Lillywhite, Bruce Flohr, Dave Matthews -- no one knew that

Glen Ballard and the band were gonna go on such a

creative spurt that the songs that were originally

recorded were going to be put aside.'..........

 
Here's how drummer Carter Beauford explained the

Lillywhite/Ballard transition to Rolling Stone earlier this year:

'Bruce and I stepped outside one evening after doing some takes, and he said, 'Carter, how do you feel about this record?' I just had to come out and tell him I wasn't feeling it. The vibe wasn't there, you know? It was lacking everything the Dave Matthews Band was about. So I said, 'Look, I don't feel it, and I'm

almost certain the other guys don't feel it. We need to make a move.' And Bruce said, 'That's all I needed to hear.' From that point he began working to find someone else to produce the record and working toward putting our heads into a forward and positive space.'While Lillywhite says that the band's decision to record in Charlottesville was unwise ('You make a record

in your hometown and it becomes less like making a

record and more like going to work. There's forever someone saying, 'Oh, I've got the plumber coming in the afternoon, so I won't be coming to the studio.''), he maintains that the sessions weren't uncomfortably somber or

listless. 'Honestly, I've read a lot about how everyone in the band was very upset and sad,' he says. 'But I didn't feel anything like that. These sessions were nothing compared to a U2 album.' 'I think I could put my hand on my heart and say Dave is and was very proud of the recordings that we made,' Lillywhite continues. 'Obviously, Bruce is on record as coming up to Dave and saying that, as a fan, he didn't feel the record. To be honest, I think Dave was as upset by it as I was. If anyone tells you your songs aren't good enough, you're gonna get hurt.'Flohr has a different take on how things were going in Charlottesville.

'There was a heaviness to the sessions,' he says. 'And I think the process was laborious to a certain extent. What I was hearing as an outsider, someone who wasn't there every single day, was a darkness to the record

that I felt -- and I think everybody around the band felt -- could be improved if they had a change of environment.' 'The Summer So Far songs inspired pity,' Matthews told Rolling Stone in January of this year. 'Self pity, or pity for the sad bastard that wrote them. I

felt like I was in the process of failing, in the

process of letting everyone down. In the process of not supplying the band with songs, not giving the producer the music, not giving the record company tunes -- so inside that environment, I was continuing to do just that, come up with these sad bastard songs.'Moreover, Matthews admitted that the bottle had somewhat of

a gloomy grip on him during the sessions, as

reflected in the drunken motifs strung though 'Bartender,' 'JTR' and 'Grace is Gone.' 'It was not a good time for

me,' he said. 'I usually find that when I'm in one of those slumps I do the better part of my

drinking.'Despite Everyday's mammoth sales -- the album moved over 700,000 its first week in stores and over 2 million to date -- it received a lukewarm critical reception and even alienated some hardcore fans who found it inorganic, unrevealing and generally non daveish.'I'm just worried that I didn't hear the band,' Lillywhite says of Everyday. 'I don't know, it's all very

alien sounds. I'm a fan of the Dave Matthews Band and always was from the word go. Part of the uniqueness of the band is what the four other members bring to it. That wasn't accented enough.'....

 
Beauford seemed to agree with Lillywhite. Asked

if Ballard's heavy-handed authoring approach was

threatening -- the producer wrote essentially non-negotiable parts for the band -- he said, 'To be straight up, to a degree, yes, because it almost divided the five members. Everyday, in a way, is Dave and Glen's record, really.'Before Summer was leaked, DMB fans who were unsatisfied

with the streamlined Everyday griped en masse in chat rooms. Gaggles of interviews, in which Matthews was forced to address the lost album, served to fuel curiosity and demand, the logical limit of which is the 'Release Lillywhite Recordings Campaign.' The brainchild

of Pankaj Arora, the RLRC (www.paware.com/lillywhite), was founded 'by a fan for the fans with the goal of ensuring the band realizes the enormous demand and desire for the studio versions of the songs produced with Lillywhite, and with the hopes that they will at the very least simply consider possibly releasing the works after realizing the immense demand and

desire for it.'Arora's crusade was somewhat mooted when, roughly one month after Everyday's release, The Summer So Far illicitly strayed onto the Internet. Drooling traders queued up to download the twelve-song set -- at least 70,000 in week one -- while the

band members themselves publicly expressed regret and anger regarding the unauthorized distribution of a project they'd deemed unworthy. Many fans quickly embraced the markedly darker effort as a rare microscope on Matthews' psyche. That assessment is understandably bittersweet for Lillywhite.'I'm a big boy,' he says, 'but it affects your self-confidence. I've got to say, if nothing else, I do feel vindicated that my faith in these recordings is shared by so many

other people.'GREG HELLER(July 9, 2001)

taken from rollingstone.com

 
and here is the leak story.......

How 'Summer' Sprung a LeakThe long, strange

trip from the studio to desktops It takes but

one rogue engineer's intern or one bassist's scorned

ex-girlfriend to make a band's private musical moments public.

Usher, Weezer, Mary J. Blige and even the notoriously

protective Radiohead have all had unsanctioned music leaked

via the Internet. In the instance of the Dave

Matthews Band's lost album of last year, the leakage came

courtesy of an unlikely and elaborate series of

clandestine e-mailings and betrayals.Given that Dave

Matthews is . . . well, Dave Matthews, anything he does in

the studio is tantamount to spy plane blueprints or

snapshots from Area 51. Following producer Steve

Lillywhite's dismissal last fall, eight discs of the work in

progress ('Some songs were pretty much finished and others

need a lot of work,' says Lillywhite), were burned,

each labeled 'The Summer So Far.' The master tapes

were immediately locked in the DMB's Charlottesville,

Virginia studio vault where they've remained ever

since.Distribution of the eight discs went as follows: one to

Lillywhite, one to the engineer Stephen Harris, one to RCA

A&R man Bruce Flohr, and one for each DMB member --

Matthews, bassist Stefan Lessard, violinist Boyd Tinsley,

drummer Carter Beauford and saxophonist LeRoi Moore.

Lillywhite claims that 'there was no other way anyone else

could have had that music,' and that the original discs

were 'of really good quality, much better than what

people are downloading.' While wide-held belief had

been that the initial leak came from within RCA

Records, Bruce Flohr is adamant that his copy has always

been accounted for, that he has neither lent it out or

casually left it around the office.Lillywhite says

that he and Harris can account also for their copies.

'Once I got fired, I put my disc away. You want to move

on,' Lillywhite said. And while Flohr 'thinks

everybody in the band has accounted for their copy,'

Matthews and DMB declined to speak with Rolling Stone on

the topic.Initially, The Summer So Far was safe

from pirates. During the fall of 2000 and into the

first few months of 2001, it was the holy grail on DMB

message boards -- speculated about, but unheard. Craig

Knapp changed all that.Knapp is a music teacher

from Long Island, New York. In the winter of '99, his

chorus performed a version of Matthews' 'One Sweet

World' that he gave to the frontman upon meeting him

outside a show in February. Knapp also fronts the Dave

Matthews tribute band Ants Marching, a staple on the East

Coast. The band's homepage (www.antsmarching1.com)

prominently features a photo of the group with Matthews...

 
In early March of this year -- several weeks

after the official release of DMB's 2001 studio effort

Everyday -- Knapp received an e-mail from Tom Griffin, a

student at New York's St. Bonaventure University. Griffin

claimed to have a disc of 'the unreleased version of

Everyday,' with 'four new songs on it,' and offered to send

Knapp a copy.Knapp figured he would receive

alternate takes of Everyday tunes -- perhaps the odd B-side

or acoustic reading. Several days later, on March

15th, the package arrived. 'There was a note included

with the disc,' Knapp says. 'It said 'This CD is the

Virginia album that was to be released last summer. The

story of how this got out is sketchy and unreliable. I

will spare you the story.'' After hearing the disc

and knowing he was in possession of the coveted

Lillywhite sessions, Knapp was torn about how to play his

hand. He says that he wanted the DMB world to

experience the joy that the songs brought him, but did not

want to disrespect Lillywhite or Matthews himself.

Knapp made it known on the Dave Matthews Band Mailing

List Web site (www.dmbml.com), where he contributed

frequently, that he had the material. Within days, his inbox

was clogged with hundreds of notes, many insisting he

upload the material. He was incessantly heckled on DMB

message boards and in chat rooms, called a hoarder. His

phone rang off the hook.'I was beaten down,' Knapp

said. 'People were bashing my inner strength and

morality . . . There's a very selfish attitude out

there.'Fed up, Knapp told the DMBML that he intended on

burning the disc -- as in, with a lighter fluid and a

match. Before doing so, however, he opted to contact

Lillywhite, a regular on the DMBML with an obvious enough

e-mail address. Knapp sought the producer's guidance and

alerted the DMBML that, should Lillywhite give the green

light, the music would indeed go public. 'I am

blessed to receive this gift,' Knapp wrote to Lillywhite.

'My question for you is one of moral standards. I

would really like to share these songs with the DMB

trading community. However, I feel that if the Dave

Matthews Band and Steve Lillywhite didn't release these

songs, then what gives me that right? I guess my

question is simply this: Am I disrespecting the Dave

Matthews Band and Steve Lillywhite by making these songs

available?' Once Lillywhite was satisfied (via a few more

e-mails), that Knapp truly did have what he purported to

have, the producer replied, 'I would hold onto the

music for now until I have had a chance to speak to

Dave and see what he feels is the best plan.' He

added, 'Do you like it?' Knapp posted his

interactions with Lillywhite on the DMBML, hoping to lessen

the ire of frothing chatters. (Lillywhite eventually

asked him to stop doing this and he complied). Shortly

thereafter, Knapp received another e-mail from Lillywhite, or

so he believed. It read: 'I was able to contact

some people and we came to the conclusion that because

of DMB's loyal fan base following, honesty and

patronage towards the band over the years, releasing these

tracks should be, let's say, sort of a treat to the

trading community . . . keep in touch and

enjoy.'According to Knapp, it would be months before he realized

that the thumbs-up note was a hoax. A clever DMBML

poster who had kept close tabs on Knapp's interactions

with Lillywhite sent the letter posing as the

producer. Lillywhite's e-mail address had been altered ever

so slightly (the letter 'I' replaced with the number

'1'). In other words, Steve Lillywhite never gave

Knapp, or anyone else, permission to digitally

distribute The Summer So Far.......

 
Believing he had the producer and Matthews' (or

at least someone close him) blessings, Knapp

uploaded the material. His computer itself is too slow to

accommodate the sudden deluge of requests, so he forwarded

the tracks to a few better-equipped pals. On March

24th, the album ended up in the hands of Jason Tang, a

freshman at Indiana's Purdue University. While Tang's pal

Paul Romer, an audio technology major, digitally

remastered the disc (!), Tang himself set up a site to allow

for the album's downloading. The day it went up --

Monday, March 26th -- it received 5,000 hits. By that

Saturday, 40,000 folks had logged on. Their lines

hopelessly jammed, Purdue shut the site down. Tang moved it

elsewhere and 15,000 more Dave-heads got their Summer

before that site was also sealed off.Not that Tang's

closures mattered. By then, the album was all over

Napster, Gnutella, etc., and a feeding frenzy of

downloading and burning began. The compare-and-contrast game

between Summer and Everyday kicked into high gear on

message boards. By modest estimates, 1,000,000 people

have now heard at least part of The Summer So

Far.But how did Tom Griffin get his copy, the one he

copied and sent to Knapp? Griffin lets this much be

known: His friend's family owns a house in Colorado.

Sometime last winter, someone in the Dave Matthews Band

vacationed at that house. According to Griffin, the DMB

member allowed his friend to hear the Summer disc, and,

at some point -- presumably when the DMB member hit

the slopes -- the disc was 'borrowed' and burned.

Griffin's friend then returned to St. Bonaventure excited,

if somewhat unaware of the white rhino he'd bagged.

Minutes later, Griffin made his own copy.As for why

he chose to forward the music to Knapp, Griffin --

who maintains that he had no intentions of

mass-distributing the material -- says that he had seen Ants

Marching a few times and knew the band was trying to work

Summer songs into their sets (a handful of them had been

DMB live staples well before the ill-fated sessions

ever began and live versions of them were readily

available via the band's devoted network of

tapers/traders). His intention, as a true Dave-head, was simply to

provide Knapp and his players with a finer point of

reference for 'their' new material.'I didn't want it to

be exploited,' Griffin says. 'I didn't want everyone

to have it, but I knew eventually over time, if not

through Knapp, then someone else, that it was going to

get out and I wasn't going to be upset over

it.'One final note: When Knapp initially offered The

Summer So Far, he requested that all those who download

it give to the Bama Works Foundation, a massive

charity network established by the Dave Matthews Band

offering national and international aid to a wide array of

causes -- diabetes, homelessness, rape crisis and

others. Tang made the same appeal on his Web site. As

of this story's completion, Bama Works has received

eighty Lillywhite-related donations, ranging from $10 to

$50, totaling $1,600. GREG HELLER(July 9,

2001)

also rollingtstone.com

 
good god that is long

'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper
 
Yeah that was long but thanks for the update

Women plan for the future by naming their unborn children while men plan for the future by buying two cases of beer
 
easily my favorite band of all time. i own all of their albums and have seen them live (only once, but i would eagerly see them again) and they are awwwesome live.

they're simply one of the most dynamic and influential bands out there. scores more talent and artistry than so many others. they're ability to thrive in a world of gangster rap and punk rock speaks for their capabilities itself.
 
nice job bumping a five year old thread! but since its already bumped i might as well say that i think dave mathews is decent, but not amazing in my opinion
 
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