Cutting Down Trees Is Good

[Lonely]

I was gonna post this in my stoke thread because I am fucking stoked about this but it seems also relevant here. I just bought a winch made in 1944 that used to be mounted on big navy ships. I'm gonna use it as a yarder to pull small trees up steep slopes. Check this fucker out.

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1010214/VID-20210905-161613-hevc-mp4[/video]

tfw you don't have the money for a ponsse

 

[TheMoostafian]

tfw you don't have the money for a ponsse

Haha yeah I definitely don't. I am getting a tower yarder though. I just thought this thing was cool. Could make a badass ropetow someday.

 

[TheMoostafian]

Your a logger or mason or both? My best bud is a brick layer and has a saw mill I’ve worked at just to help and learn bc I think it’s cool and used to do a lot of residential and commercial tree work and line work, if I was younger I’d ask ya for a job, being retired is boring.

Both kind of. Most of what I do is stonework but I've done a lot of work as a forester and sometimes cool logging contracts fall in my lap.

 

[SavageBiff]

That’s cool man, much respect I know enough to know I don’t know exactly how tough logging is, I’ve done small scale stuff, but yarding is certainly an exciting job.

Both kind of. Most of what I do is stonework but I've done a lot of work as a forester and sometimes cool logging contracts fall in my lap.

 

[Lonely]

Haha yeah I definitely don't. I am getting a tower yarder though. I just thought this thing was cool. Could make a badass ropetow someday.

Got to see a couple of the scorpion kings in action. Wild machines if you have the cash for them.

 

[SWRTOFFICIAL]

Forests need disturbance to grow properly, logging when done right helps forests produce a sustainable amount of lumber instead of just clear cutting and having everything gone in 5 years. Or the other side of the coin is an undisturbed forest is more prone to wildfire

Edit: Clear cut logging is not good, sustainable forest management is good

**This post was edited on Sep 13th 2021 at 11:24:13am

 

[corona]

"Oh. You're cutting a bunch of ash to stop the spread of a terrible invasive species? You bastards hate the environment!"

You picked a pretty shit example here. The timber industry is pretty much the reason EAB spread so quick.

 

[corona]

Forests need disturbance to grow properly, logging when done right helps forests produce a sustainable amount of lumber instead of just clear cutting and having everything gone in 5 years. Or the other side of the coin is an undisturbed forest is more prone to wildfire

Edit: Clear cut logging is not good, sustainable forest management is good

**This post was edited on Sep 13th 2021 at 11:24:13am

Nah, logging is not equivalent to natural disturbances like forest fires. The biology of the species that have evolved with forest fires aside, logging leaves a ton of brush and deadfall behind while forest fires clear out the brush and deadfall. It makes a huge difference as forest that are logged provide the fuel for intense fires vs natural forests that undergo semi-regular burns. Not at all comparable.

 

[corona]

Some quick facts

-Trees gain most of their mass from the carbon they absorb. When they are cut down and used in buildings or furniture or other products, they act as carbon batteries. The carbon that they absorbed is not released. Making the carbon positive in terms of sequestration.

-Concrete and steel on the other hand require a huge carbon footprint in comparison to be fabricated/smelted/created. Resulting in net negative sequestration.

-Even if woody material is burned for energy, it is generally carbon neutral. If that tree absorbed 1 ton of carbon over its life, the 1 ton of carbon it releases does not change the amount of carbon originally in the biosphere, unlike natural gas or oil, which comes from outside of the biosphere deep within the earth.

-At least in most lands managed by the state/private companies in the states, more trees are planted than are cut in a harvest, or the harvest is designed to increase forest health

-The largest issues with deforestation come from agriculture and development. Harvesting trees for building materials, paper, furniture, etc. is actually pretty dang good for the environment. If we're really concerned about climate change, we should start building more wooden skyscrapers

A few issues with this.

- A green tree is typically less than 50% C by weight.

- Burning wood for energy cannot at all be looked at simply from a C balance perspective. Regardless that burning wood in theory should produce more non-CO2 carbon molecules than decomposition (CO, CH4, and other longer chain C molecules that are not used in photosynthesis without first being oxidized), it also releases a ton of particulate and other fairly toxic chemicals that otherwise would not be released into the atmosphere by biological decomposition.

- Obviously more trees are planted than cut. If you don't plant dense with desired species then you won't get a desirable forest for logging in 50 years. In many cases replanting can be worse than leaving it for natural succession. Trees are typically planted with forestry in mind so it's very few species that are used and they are planted in monocultures that are both susceptible to disease and pests and horrible for biodiversity.

- So wrong. Harvesting trees is not 'good for the environment'. It's just not as bad for the environment as some other methods of making building materials. The best thing for the environment would be to not touch the land at all and allow forest fires, natural succession, and everything else that would happen without human involvement. It can be done sustainably, but it very frequently is not.

 

[corona]

My mill:

 

[Lonely]

You picked a pretty shit example here. The timber industry is pretty much the reason EAB spread so quick.

Okay great? Didn't say it didn't? Just making a point about how people tend not to understand what management is going on, but voice their opinions regardless

 

[Zrujh7]

Woodcutting is good then do we have to replant it?

Or I think we don't need it to replant, nature does itself!

Does anyone knows a squirrel is the one who can replantation powerfully!!

 

[TheMoostafian]

Just havin some fun in the woods today

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1013100/20211006-121624-2-hevc-mp4[/video]