CREATINE

Yeah of course you gain weight, you are gaining water weight, once the source direct source (creatine) is gone from your body the water stops going to the muscles. Hence you loose this water weight and will drop back in weight and your bulk will go down, obviously you dont loose the muscle you gained while taking it unless you flat out stop lifting after you stop taking it but you will loose the bulk you had while taking it and will drop back in weight so i dont see why youd take it. Might as well do it the natural way and eat right work out and take a vitamin. Ppl these days look for instant gratification but the fact is building muscle takes years and taking supplements in the long run just hurts you. Talk to any one who has lifted for years and theyll tell you, in the short run a supplement will help but youre better of eating right, taking a whey and a mass building protein and getting your ass in the gym 5 days a week.
 
Most studies that have evaluated the effects of creatine supplementation on fluid retention and body composition indicate that although total body water increases, the increase appears to be proportional to the weight gained. Muscle is about 73% water. Therefore, if someone gained 10 pounds of muscle, 7.3 pounds of the weight gain would be water.

 
I know plenty of what im talking about, ive taken multiple creatine supplements, but all good once you get off it lemme know how that goes for ya
 
doesnt sound like you know what you're talking about at all.

"Creatine is stored in your body as high-energy phosphate groups in the form of phosphocreatine. For those that remember high school biology, your body's primary source of energy (at the cellular level) is adenosine triphosphate (ATP).

Your body also has adenosine diphosphate (ADP) circulating in its cells. ATP is basically ADP plus a phosphate group. When your body is under stress or doing work (i.e., when you're lifting weights), it needs immediate energy. Phosphocreatine gives ADP a phosphate group to become ATP, thus giving you energy, fast." (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/new_uses_for_creatine)

creatine is pretty a pretty fuckin useful and completely safe supplement.

 
but this is by far the most important part. if you aren't eating well, training hard, and resting, then creatine and other supplements wont do jackshit.

 
Never stated it wasnt safe, obviously it is natural and is in alot of the foods that you eat. Just like Nitric Oxide ins, which ive stated in earlier posts that I have seen to work better as it does not load all this extra unneeded water into your muscles. Also i have stated that yes it does help to give you that rush. However, as i have stated in the long run when you stop using these products you will see a large decrease in your bulk and weight due to the lack of not loading creatine into your muscles no longer driving as much water into them. I dont care to argue im just going off of what my personal experience has been through out the years with these products and other body builders i have talked with at the gym have told me.
 
I'm saying that the real value of creatine isn't in a bit of size gain but rather is in giving you the extra bit of energy to get a few more reps or add a few more pounds and thus making exercises more effective, which in my experience has been true and is useful whether you're body building or strength training. I've never experienced bloating or any negative side effects from creatine.

I'm more into the strength training than body building so I might not notice much a difference in muscle size when using or not using creatine, but i do know a few guys with much more experienced than me who only supplement creatine and swear by it.

So because of those reasons along with the other points in the T-Nation article I linked to above, i'll continue to use creatine and recommend it to people.
 
i feel like this isnt the site to post about suppss go on bodybuilding.com dude there forums will have everything your looking for
 
It really depends I'd have to know what your diet is and what your actual workout is. I'm currently, I wouldn't say cutting down but I'm trying to lose a little bit of fat to get my six pack back. I run 1.7 miles to my gym workout for about an hour and then run home. So I still take creatine even though I'm trying to get my six pack. Bottom line if you're eating healthy and you're working out hard then you should be okay to take creatine while working out. If you're just going to drive to the gym lift weights for an hour and then go back home and eat fast food I wouldn't. Jay might have a different opinion on the matter and If he does id go with him because he knows a lot more than I do on the matter.
 
ok i'm getting out of here i seriously don't understand where people get these ideas about creatine from, take a fucking biology class or do some research
 
Supplementing the right way means that you are optimizing or maximizing your workout. It doesn't mean you are lazy and aren't doing the work. You need a combo of everything as everyone has already stated. And addressing a post I noticed, the amount of creatine found in meat products is still pretty minimal to be considered enough to be supplemental to your workout.

And to someone talking about vitamins I hope you are only considering that for maximizing muscle gain. For aerobic training, vitamins and antioxidants will actually stunt your gains by minimizing mitochondrial biomass increases that you would normally see, which acts through PGC1 and SIRT1 pathways.

And to be honest if just starting out in the gym and you want to maximize your lift sessions, start with a protein shake or BCAA product if you don't want to do the shake deal. Leucine substantially increases activation of the mTORC1 pathway, leading to more hypertrophy of the muscles. Then you can start adding products from there to see what you like/need. Creatine would be more of the 3rd step in supplementation in my mind, but that is debatable.
 
ok i guess its not a hugely valid argument. is pcp actually found in our bodies? we are thinking of the same thing right?
 
Speaking strictly facts and biology and science; creatine occurs naturally in muscle and provides energy for activities LASTING LESS THAN 10 seconds (increases the formation of ATP). With it being technically a supplement, it doesnt need FDA regulations to make claims about anything (thus, it could literally state on the bottle that it makes you fly 'in clinical tests' or w/e). It definitely increases energy stores in muscles for a short period of time, but the "swell" you get is indeed from a water! The creatine draws more water into the muscle cells, which increases pressure on the cell's walls, forcing your body to adapt (which is good for those looking for the defined muscles).

In short, if you are doing short explosive exercises, then it may help providing energy for less than 10 seconds. It does essentially nothing for endurance though, and the long-term health effects are largely unanswered (most "clinical tests" and funded by the company themselves).
 
I'm about 99% sure it's not Please post some kind of source stating that it's a natural chemical made in the brain.
 
There are so many morons in this thread. Do your research. Don't go off what your bro told you while you were doing your bench and biceps at the gym so you can be ripped for the summer.
 
Holy shit, you are so fucking stupid. "Dmt and pcp basically the same thing." Again op most if Ns has no clue what they are talking about.
 
where did you take that quote from fuck face. I said it's a similar idea. just because your body produces it doesn't mean it's a good idea to take more.
 
you keep putting all these words into my mouth and I have no idea why.

didn't realize I was dealing with an internet doctor, sorry I stepped out of line mister! I didn't mean to make you so angry
 
"I was thinking of dmt. similar idea." I said pcp but I meant dmt so it's kind of the same thing. Also that proves my point of not talking creatine because its like dmt and you need more dmt. Basically that's what you said.
 
ahh dude I wouldnt of done that, the products that GNC makes themselves usually are trash. And ive heard that this is shit. Find creatine that has creapure in it, basically the best and most pure creatine.
 
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is all you you need to build muscle no need to take pre workouts or anything else unless you actually go super hard and are a huge tool
 
Good combo, but I won't say pre workout are for huge tool. I used some when I first start trainnimg and it helped me alot. Sure you need to take it carefully, but it does give you a boots and are hreat for when you wan't to go heavier or bigger them usual
 
So many conflicting opinions in this thread lol OP do some independent research and/or go on BB and ask/look around for some info. Despite all the latent homoeroticism you're likely to find some people more knowledgeable about this stuff there.
 
i always load creatine. Being able to add on 3-4 reps from monday to saturday is the fucking shit! if you dont get all the motivation in the world from that, nothing will help you.

Honestly, i usually load creatine the week before a big ski trip, so that my legs are at 150% of "normal" and mentally i have tremendous confidence in my ability to put out an abnormal amount of power.

 
ik what zzz looks like (nstiny chat) he deff lifts but he looks like a douche bag. unfourtanetley he probably knows what hes talking about...
 
so you think because I mixed them up I believe they're the same thing

nothing but pissy introverted know it alls on this forum
 
Yes your point is that your body has some DMT in it. you shouldn't put more things in your body that it already makes. Is that your point for my missing something?
 
I don't specifically take creatine but it happens to be in my preworkout and post workout protein supplement, don't see whats wrong with low doses of that. Doc said my kidneys were healthiest he has seen when I had blood work done. Moderation is the key with supplements.
 
wait, some kid in here said ppl who take aminos and pre workouts r tools? jesus i have lost faith in NS, preworkouts personally i think r great, and aminos are awesome, i take aminos twice a day, and even if u dont work out aminos are great for u.....ppl r so dumb LIKE FO REALL
 
well, water weight isn't the correct term, creatine makes the muscles bind fluid easier and better, making the pump last longer
 
if you use any protein powder you get a serving of bcaas but you definitely dont need pre workouts until youre 25+
 
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