CoreUPT and Dynastar

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The candide pros:

park:116/81/106

pow:124/92/114

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Dynastar trouble maker:

116-81-106

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dynastar big trouble:

124/92/114

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So is coreupt made in a dynastar factory? If they are, and the skis are basically the same...that's weak sauce.
 
those dims are way to simmilar.

If they are the same length then they will be the same sidecut.

and we have seen stuff like this before with roxy just using rossi and dynastar skies w/ different graphics.
 
Sidecut pattern = dimension

Quicksilver = the company that own both Rossignol and Dynastar

Does it really matter anyway.
 
No the sidecut pattern can be different if it's the same length. Longer tail or longer front can make it a totally different ski.

But yeah they are WAY too similar.
 
yeah you can have different radiuses throughout the ski (seths, msps)

i wouldn't be surprised if these were just dynastars
 
Well Quicksilver owns Candide and Dynastar (they sold Rossignol, why Candide had to find a new ski sponsor) so it makes sense, sell the same skis and market them differently
 
I was about to point out the irony of the word "core" in the brand name. Then it suddenly struck me that this fact had been staring us in the face all along. its a corrUPT core company. I certainly hope that this is just a coincidence, if not, its pretty lame. Deception and clever marketing are to different things as far as im concerned.

 
but if you use certain set tip/mid/tail dimensions then you have already decided where the skinniest part of the ski will be based on the math. if you use those dimensions and make a different middle of the ski, then you would have some sort of wierd curve that wouldn't be a circle, and either the tip or tail would have more curve than the other. that's not a good idea.
 
Like I've said since this coreUPT nonsense started:

It's just an attempt to try and change their image with us, the consumer. And this is further proof of the stupidity of the whole thing. I actually actively dislike them now, whereas before I didn't have an opinion.
 
You are assuming that all skis have a true radius sidecut from the widest point on the tip to the widest point on the tail. they often do not!
 
using the same mold with different laminations would be smart to keep costs down, using the same mold with the same materials just a different top sheet would be stupid. I don't think ski manufacturers are stupid.

 
based upon some trouble makers I have seen cut open, the lamination they use already is incredibly basic. I was actually surprised to see what was in there. Can't imagine they would make it that much cheaper.
 
once you have the ski dimensions the sidecut is set, there is no hub bub about it, you cant change the math , its set, stiff or soft whatever, the only thing that will alter the radius is length. If the length is the same then they are:
renting molds
bought old molds
made by Dyna etc
whether he owns the molds or not, looks like the same ski to me, sure put a different core in it but overall characteristics are the same.
 
for those who can speak french, here are some answers.

http://www.skipass.com/articles/saison-07-08/26045-goon-vs-skipass.php

if many people ask and i have the time i ll try to translate.

Correupt is not in anyway owned by dynastar, they just make skis in their factory.

they dont have their own pattern now but they will next year.

stop bitching because the guy who created the brand is a skier (guerlain chicherit), and realy believes in what he does.

just wait and see.
 
Not quite.

As previously mentioned, the center of the sidecut will make a difference. For example, the sidecut on my Addicts is centered around a mounting point that is true center. However, it could have been shifted back a bit, and the dimensions could be kept the same. Thus the waist would be further back, and the tail would have a quicker radius than the tip. Where the center of the sidecut is matters, not just the dimensions.
 
Ah this is good to hear! if you could translate later for us uneducated folks that would be great! thanks for the heads up
 
ye no worries mate! especially if you've got other stuff to do. to be honest i probably shouldn't be on this bloody thing either, iv got 2 more exams on monday and have hardly started revising for them!this is what newschoolers does to people.
 
Look at the black crow skis - their "Shape" makes a big difference. Dimensions measure the widest point of the tip, the widest point of the tail, and the narrowest point/centre as far as i am aware. So the shape doesn't come into it. see how they continue to be wide and then suddenly get thinner. Unusual but cool. Their dimensions could still be the same as any other ski that doesn't have this shape. I think i have made my point?!!!!

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Sorry, just to show my point a bit more, the black crows dimensions are 120-86-108 mm

Which is the same as the ŒDillinger by faction. See how this ski has a different shape!
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Tadaaaa
 
I didn't know Guerlain Chicherit was behind the project. He had his own Dynastar pro model a few years back they were like $1200 on sale. I happened to love the trouble makers design and have been riding them since 2004 but am now badly in need of a new pair.
 
yes please translate! my highschool french barely helps.

I think he

was explaining the molds and relationship with dynastar and that this

year will be similar and in the future they're gonna branch out

and do they're own thing? But i barely understand french and it'd be

dope if you sparknoted those for us
 
They said that their skis are being made in the dynastar factory and that this year they are using the dynastar molds to make the skis so they are not really something new or innovative and they admitted that, but they said that they changed the flex and composition of the skis and that each pro modified their own pro model to what they personally wanted and that is what their company is all about. All their skis are pro model skis made by the pros.

They said that by next year they hope to be making some prototypes and getting some new molds to branch out from the dynastar ones and then they will start having different skis, but for now they are a new company and they are relying on dynastars existing molds to help get them started.
 
"As previously mentioned, the center of the sidecut will make a difference. For example, the sidecut on my Addicts is centered around a mounting point that is true center. However, it could have been shifted back a bit, and the dimensions could be kept the same. Thus the waist would be further back, and the tail would have a quicker radius than the tip. Where the center of the sidecut is matters, not just the dimensions. "
WRONG!
your Addicts have the same sidecut, moving your binding just changes the way the ski feel and performs underfoot, but the sidecut stays the same, once a ski is pressed and the dimensions are set the sidecut DOES NOtˇ change get it.
Because you say you can alter your sidecut by moving your binding back and forth tells me you have no clue what you are talking about, the sidecut is the same no matter where your binding is, jeez.
 
Please read carefully. I said that the "the sidecut on my Addicts is centered around a mounting point."

When skis are build, and shapes are designed, the Recommended mounting point is used when making the sidecut, as the narrowest point, the waist, is where the midsole mark on the should be put.

I never suggested moving my bindings. I suggested changing the whole sidecut during design. Please read before you decide to call people out, because, believe it or not, they may know a tad more about building skis than you might. Thank you.
 
ummmmm...... he wasn't suggesting to move the bindings, i think you might have misread what he was saying.

He was pointing out like you mentioned addicts have their turn radius positioned around the center while others have their turn radius centered somewhere around -8cm. All he was saying is that in the design phase by moving the center of radius (which effects suggested mount point) forward or back you can have two skis with similar dimensions but completely different shapes
 
It's logical for any worker to try finding the best contract to make sure he makes enought money for the rest of their life.

I wouldnt blame Candide.

I think most pro models in skiing dosnt makes senses anyway but I'd have to say that this is the weirdest case of a pro model I,ve seen in a while.

 
kid u r dumb as fuck. moving the narrowest part of the ski forward or back does not mean moving the binding or the sidecut being changed based on binding placement. a ski will ski very differently if the narrowest part is moved, especially on a symmetrical ski. please read before u try to make yourself look like tough shit
 
I can't understand the videos very well, but I don't think Chcherit started the brand, he's just on the team. In his words (his blog) 'without being the Chef of the cooking, I play the game in the receipe'.

I have no inside info, but I do think it's a little suspect that a new ski brand signs two of the biggest names in French skiing, from Dynastar and Rossignol respectively, then builds rebadged skis in the Dynastar factory and claims not to be related to the Quiksilver group!?
 
exactly. how about the invaders, anthems or seths (from a few years ago). they all have variable sidecuts.... aka a sharper turn radius at the tip and tail and more mellow under foot.
 
!!skis can have a similar dimensions but not exact,exact dimensions and length will equal the same sidecut,, it wont change, no matter what you do to it.
But I am thinking of real skis not some make believe bull shit and I
was speaking of these two Dyna skis, they are the same dimensions and length as(whatever models they are) then they are the same and have the same sidecut and dimensions which will give the skis the exact same turn radius.
If you dont mount your Addicts center then your an idiot.
You can theoretically move the mounting position or waste of the ski but the sidecut will still be the same,
the dimensions dictate the sidecut not the mounting position or waste, you can say narrow point this or that, but it means nothing.

PS .I am not a kid,

 
are you saying if the narrowest part of the ski was 12 inches back from the tip, it would carve the same as if the narrowest part was 12 inches from the tail?!

or, same ski same size, but it doesnt even have a circular side cut. salomon has a snow board that uses three straight lines, rather than a parabola
 
i dont think you get it

if the center of the sidecut (narrowest point of the ski) is changed then even with the same dimensions the ski will have different radiuses in the tip and tail.

They are not talking about where the ski is mounted, they are talking about where the center of the sidecut is.

The seths, msps and kungfujas's all have different sidecuts throughout the skis.
 
the turning radius is the radius of the circle made when the skis are on edge and flexed so everything touch the ground.

you can have the same dimension a nd a differne radius is the flex pattern is not the same ny moving the widestand skiinniest point on the skis.
 
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