Colorado Batman Shooting Shows Obvious Signs of Being Staged

Zimmerman

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I am not posting this as one of my views. I am posting it as a story. So don't yell at me. I just found this very interesting. He has a point! Whether it was an FBI accident or some other organization, it is a possibility.

(NaturalNews) James Holmes, the Aurora, Colorado shooter who reportedly

opened fire at a Batman movie premiere, was a medical student at the

University of Colorado, pursuing a PhD in neuroscience, reports ABC

News. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shooting-colorado-movie-theater-14-peop...)

As

part of the attack, Holmes painted his hair red and referred to himself

as "The Joker," one of the arch enemies in the DC Comics-inspired

Batman movie series. (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-the...)

According

to news reports, this sudden violent rampage was completely out of

character for James Holmes, who was described as "shy."

The New York Times is now reporting:

Billy

Kromka, a pre-med student at the University of Colorado, Boulder,

worked with Mr. Holmes for three months last summer as a research

assistant in a lab of at the Anschutz Medical Campus. Mr. Kromka said he

was surprised to learn Mr. Holmes was the shooting suspect. "It was

just shocking, because there was no way I thought he could have the

capacity to do commit an atrocity like this," he said.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-mall-shooting.html?page...)

"He spent much of his time immersed in the computer, often participating in role-playing online games..."

There is already conjecture that James Holmes may have been involved in mind-altering neuroscience research

and ended up becoming involved at a depth he never anticipated. His

actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he

was not in his right mind. That can only typically be accomplished

through drugs, hypnosis or trauma (and sometimes all three).

His behavior doesn't add up

His

behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the

mainstream explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on

innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore,

he then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with

explosives. If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill

people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in

advance? It doesn't add up.

"Holmes was taken into custody

shortly after the shooting, police said, adding he didn't resist when he

was arrested," reports a local CBS news affiliate (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-the...).

"After

his arrest, Holmes told police about 'possible explosives in his

residence,' Oates said. When police searched his apartment, they

discovered it was booby-trapped and evacuated surrounding buildings,

police said. Oates said bomb technicians are determining how to disarm

flammable or explosive material in the third-floor apartment. He said

police could be there some time."

None of this checks out. If

you're a killer bent on causing mayhem, why tell the police about your

surprise bomb waiting for them back at your apartment?

Holmes was clearly provided with exotic gear (and bomb-making skills)

Continuing from CBS:

"He

said pictures from inside the apartment are fairly disturbing and the

devices look to be sophisticated, adding the booby-traps were 'something

I've never seen.' One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof

vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military SWAT

clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes' car, a

law enforcement source told CBS News. Oates said Holmes wore a gas mask,

a ballistic helmet and vest as well as leg, groin and throat protectors

during the shooting."

Added on July 22nd: "He allegedly wore a helmet, a throat guard, a ballistic vest, ballistic leggings and gloves and was dressed in black." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/explosives-removed-from-james-...)

In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment.

SWAT clothing, explosives, complex booby-traps... c'mon, this isn't a

"lone gunman." This is somebody who was selected for a mission, given

equipment to carry it out, then somehow brainwashed into getting it

done.

"Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is

booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could

take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," reports Yahoo News (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-stu...).

UPDATE:

(This section added to the story Saturday at 2:30 pm central, July 21,

2012). It is now being reported that exotic, advanced booby-traps have

been disarmed at the apartment of James Holmes. The Denver affiliate of

CBS News is now reporting: (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/07/21/officials-expect-explosions-as-...)

Officials

say they have removed all major threats at the booby-trapped apartment

of the Aurora movie theater shooting suspect on Saturday. They have used

a robot to go inside James Holmes' apartment. ...They were able to

disable a trip wire that was set to go off when the apartment door was

opened. "This is some serious stuff that our team is dealing with..."

Shortly before noon crews were successful performing a controlled detonation... More controlled detonations were possible.

...there

were multiple trip wires throughout the apartment. Investigators have

also seen what appear to be mortars planted in the apartment -- sort of

the kind of mortars that might be seen in a commercial fireworks show.

Up to a half dozen of them are scattered around.

...they have

seen a number of inflated balloons in the apartment... with many

appearing to be filled with a powder. Also linked together are bottles

of liquid. ...a strong smell of gasoline emanating from the apartment.

...several boxes on top of the refrigerator and there are lights flashing on the boxes.

...30

aerial shells (fireworks) commercially legally available for purchase.

...the suspect may have filled them with smokeless powder. ...entering

the apartment would have caused a trip wire to trigger one liquid

container to pour/mix with another. When the two mix together, they set

off the main charge of the device which may be additional flammable

liquids.

...an enormously dangerous mission. About 100 personnel are on scene.


And the BBC is now reporting: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18937726)

Technicians

made a first attempt on Friday to disarm the traps, believed to include

explosives, but withdrew when it became clear the property was too

dangerous to enter. Sgt Carlson said the device was set up to detonate

when the first person entered the flat. "We've defeated first threat. It

was set up to kill, and that could have been police officers or

anything," she said.


"In addition to the shells found in the

apartment, jars of a kind of accelerant were also found inside the

dwelling, said Aurora Police Sgt. Cassidee Carlson." (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044446430457754103267932...)

"Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates expressed frustration on Friday with the

web of wires and devices Mr. Holmes had connected inside his apartment,

which were hindering the investigation into the shooting. ...It was

unlike anything he had seen before."

FBI has a track record of staging similar assaults, then stopping them at the last minute

This is not your run-of-the-mill crime of passion. It was a carefully planned, heavily funded

and technically advanced attack. Who might be behind all this? The FBI,

of course, which has a long history of setting up and staging similar

attacks, then stopping them right before they happen. See four

documented stories on these facts:

http://www.naturalnews.com/035849_domestic_terror_plots_FBI.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/034325_FBI_entrapment_terror_plots.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/033751_FBI_terrorism.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/035757_FBI_terror_plots_false_flag.html

As you soak all this in, remember that the FBI had admitted

to setting up terror plots, providing the weapons and gear, staging the

location of the bombings and even driving the vehicles to pull it off!

This is not a conspiracy theory, it's been admitted by the FBI right out

in the open. Even the New York Times openly reports all this in stories

like this one:

NYT: Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-help...)

THE

United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in

recent years -- or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was

intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and

shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in

Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes

into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts. But all

these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and

informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4

explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. ...the

F.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of "inert

material," harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of

diesel fuel to make the van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent

even did the driving...


Comment added for clarification:

I'm on the record saying, in the video posted below, that the FBI is

"80% good guys" and "20% bad guys," which is typical for almost any law

enforcement organization. Most FBI men and women are working in the

interests of upholding the law. It's only a relatively small number who

engage in the kind of terrorism training mentioned by the New York

Times, above.

Mystery man Holmes has no background

On top

of all this, Holmes apparently has no background. "He's not on

anybody's radar screen -- nothing," said a peace officer in a NYT

article. "This guy is somewhat of an enigma. Nobody knows anything about

him." (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-mall-shooting.html)

Mr.

Holmes's only criminal history is a traffic summons, the authorities

said. He earned a bachelor's degree with honors in neuroscience in 2010

from the University of California, Riverside, and was a graduate student

in neurosciences at the University of Colorado at Denver's Anschutz

Medical Campus... He was currently collecting unemployment...


Question: How does an unemployed medical student afford $20,000 in weapons gear?

If you start to look at the really big picture here, the obvious question arises: How does an unemployed medical student

afford all the complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, "flammable"

booby trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest,

groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform and all the rest of it?

Added July 22nd: "Police said Holmes spent months amassing explosives, weapons and ammunition." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/explosives-removed-from-james-...)

A

decent AR-15 rifle costs $1,000 or more all by itself. The shotgun and

handgun might run another $800 total. Spare mags, sights, slings, and so

on will run you at least another $1,000 across three firearms. The

bullet-proof vest is easily another $800, and the cost of the

bomb-making gear is anybody's guess. With all the specialty body gear,

ammunition, booby-trap devices and more, I'm guessing this is at least $20,000 in weapons and tactical gear, much of which is very difficult for civilians to get in the first place. Comment added: Don't forget the cost of all the training (thousands of dollars) and the bomb-making equipment. Holmes reportedly had 30 improvised grenades, mortars, binary liquids

that explode when mixed, wires, exotic bomb equipment... this gets

expensive very quickly (even if you can source this equipment!).

The

mere manufacture of an explosive booby-trap device is, all by itself, a

felony crime by the way. And remember: "Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates

said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of

flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm

it," reported Yahoo News (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-stu...).

Question: Where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps, tactical body armor, weapons systems and more? Certainly not in graduate school!

All this leads to an obvious third party influence over all this. Someone else taught this guy these skills and funded the acquisition of the equipment.

Update:

An article posted on Sunday by the Daily Mail reveals Holmes had a

"'mind-boggling' stash of ammunition" and "three types of explosives

were found - jars filled with accelerates, chemicals that would explode

when mixed together and more than 30 improvised grenades." This further

adds to the financial cost tally of what it took to put all this

together. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177156/James-Holmes-Dark-Kni...)

The

Wall Street Journal is also now reporting: "the suspect bought four

guns over the past 60 days, and over the Internet bought 3,000 rounds

for an assault rifle, 3,000 rounds for Glock handguns and about 300

shotgun rounds. The suspect also had a 100-round drum-style magazine for

the assault rifle that would have allowed him to fire 50 to 60 rounds a

minute." (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044446430457754103267932...)

Note:

Some readers have questioned the $20,000 figure estimated here, saying

this gear could have been acquired for only $10,000 or so. I doubt that,

as all the extras that you need to effectively run these guns cost a

lot of money: training courses, spare magazines, etc. Just a decent

AR-15 battle sight (a holographic red dot sight) can run $1,000 -

$2,000. Search "ACOG" if you don't believe me. It is also reported that

Holmes bought 6,000 rounds of ammo, which definitely isn't cheap

either, especially given that we now know half of those rounds were

rifle rounds. It's clear this guy was spending big bucks. Whether it's

$10k or $20k isn't really that much of a point.

Staged just in time for a vote on the UN small arms treaty?

More and more, this shooting is looking like a deliberate plot staged by the government itself much like Operation Fast and Furious pulled off by the ATF (http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_ATF_illegal_firearms.html)

which helped smuggle tens of thousands of guns into Mexico for the

purpose of causing "gun violence" in the USA, then blaming the Second

Amendment for it.

All this looks like James Holmes completed a

"mission" and then calmly ended that mission by surrendering to police

and admitting everything. The mission, as we are now learning, was to

cause as much terror and mayhem as possible, then to have that

multiplied by the national media at exactly the right time leading up

the UN vote next week on a global small arms treaty that could result in

gun confiscation across America. (http://lewrockwell.com/eddlem/eddlem61.1.html)

Even

Forbes.com wrote about this quite extensively, warning readers about

the coming gun confiscation effort related to the UN treaty. The story

was authored by Larry Bell (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should...)

and says the UN treaty could "override our national sovereignty, and in

the process, provide license for the federal government to assert

preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth

Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights."

In other words, this has all the signs of Fast & Furious, Episode II.

I wouldn't be surprised to discover someone in Washington was behind it

all. After all, there's no quicker way to disarm a nation and take

total control over the population than to stage violence, blame it on

firearms, then call for leaders to "do something!" Such calls inevitably

end up resulting in gun confiscation, and it's never too long after

that before government genocide really kicks in like we saw with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and other tyrants.

Governments routinely murder millions

Here's a short list of government mass murder

carried out throughout history, almost always immediately following the

disarmament of the public (and usually involving staged false flag

events to justify the disarmament):

50+ million dead: Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)

12+ million dead: Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) - concentration camps, civilian deaths and dead Russian POWs

8+ million dead: Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)

6+ million dead: Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)

5+ million dead: Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)

2+ million dead: Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-22)

1.7 million dead: Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)

1.6 million dead: Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)

1.5 million dead: Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)

1 million dead: Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)

900,000 dead: Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)

800,000 dead: Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)

See more at:

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

Death by government:

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP1.HTM

http://www.infowars.com/democide-government-killed-over-260-million-i...

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html#ixzz21etQlrIH

What do you think? A lot of this definitely is fishy and is something we should look into. I'm not too sure about this whole "Don't take away our guns or the government will kill us all" thing, I disagree with that and feel like it is irrelevant.

However, I agree with him that this man could not have done it alone. Someone, most likely a group, planned and funded this attack.

 
looks like someone is firends with Tanner Hall on facebook.

oh and this was posted in the theatre shooting thread.
 
I have my opinions on the US Government already that I won't share on here...but with all that gear and only doing what he did - guy is a pussy and blatantly fucked in the head.
 
All this seems credible to me, but I like conspiracy theories.

Medical student -> rich parents -> rich parents give son money -> son saves money -> son blows stocked money on this gear

hmmmm?
 
How many college students do you know that drive $30 - $50k vehicles, live off campus, and party all the time? Must be a conspiracy to dumb down our culture huh? How could they possibly afford this?

Tactical gear for protection is readily available on the internet.

Schizophrenia could possibly explain how an intelligent young man could complete this act, and then calmly surrender.

But it is probably a huge government funded conspiracy to take away our guns. Gotta be that.
 
i like how they don't consider mental illness as an explanation for his behavior. and of course the thinking of someone who is mentally ill doesn't make sense to a sane person, thats the definition of being mentally ill. they don't think right. i'm sure everything he did made perfect sense in his head, even if most of the world will never understand it.
 
and for the record.

Black guy kills some people

Society: Criminal



Latino guy kills some people

Society: Criminal

White guy kills some people

Society: Mental Illness
 
sad, but true. though hopefully with something like this people would say mental illness regardless of race. unless you were taking a shot at me, in which case i would have assumed that if a black guy or latino guy did it they would have been mentally ill as well. theres no other good explanation for it.
 
Theres a shit storm coming Mr. Zimmerman, and you and the rest of NSG better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, youre gonna wonder how you ever thought you could post this thread and leave so little for everyone else...
 
Congratulations, you can copy/paste without using a single brain cell to actually think of an intelligent argument of your own.
 
its 'funny' as soon as i herd about this one of the first things i thought about was the UN small arms treaty...not saying theres any correlation (i hope not).
 
His mom wasn't surprised one bit. I'm sick of all these conspiracy theories because it was a white guy who committed the crimes. It happens! Fuck.
 
god, i didnt realize how many black helicopter/new world order type conspiracy theorists there are on newschoolers.
 
ummm i'm pretty sure if a black or latino guy suited up in riot gear, rigged his apartment with explosives, and stormed a movie theater with tear gas and assault rifles, killing 12 people and injuring 50, THEN acted dazed and out of it in court, he would be called insane too. just as if a white guy robbed a gas station and killed a clerk he would be called a criminal.
 
And HERE WE ARE

Look, for this to be a massive government conspiracy to TAEK R GUNZ AWEY there would need to be thousands of people in on it. Somebody would have talked.

Also, don't you think that if the government is willing to kill dozens of its own people in a deliberate effort to change attitudes about gun rights in America, they wouldn't have a problem killing one more person (the author of the article) in order to keep their gargantuan secret from the masses? The fact that this article is published and still up on the net is proof that there's no secret Illuminati bullshit behind this.

The reason why there's always retarded conspiracies behind these kinds of things. The same goes for 9/11 conspiracists. People are just too scared to admit to themselves that they're really that vulnerable. They think "There's no way that 9 brown people (9/11) or one white college student (Aurora) could pull this off, there must be a whole evil government behind them orchestrating it all." People don't want to believe that any schmuck could pull this off, because it makes such atrocities very real and possible in their own lives.
 
When you say his mom wasn't surprised, I know what you're talking about, but you're wrong. Once again, ABC fucked up hard, and put words into someone's mouth. Go read up on it.
 
Am I the only one that finds all these stupid fucking conspiracy theorists to be incredibly disrecpectful attention vultures that should go get fucked?

They are taking a tragedy and twisting it to fit their own paranoid delusions, no matter how far fetched their theory, or how many facts they have to ignore to come to them. I'm calling bullshit.

I say mods delete this thread, and any other one that pops up that is just about some crazy asshole turning tragedy into a pulpit to spew this garbage. If you're going to delete shitstorms, these are sure bets and nothing good will ever come of them. Fuck even hearing these douchebags out or helping them spread their shitty propaganda, it's just so fucking sad how the internet brings out the absolute worst in the human race and allows us to broadcast such filth to the farthest reaches. People died here, this isn't a statement a politician made or a policy change that should be subject to spin and speculation, it's peoples' fucking lives. Have some respect. Start deleting this shit. Leave ONE thread on it. It's starting to clutter the fuck out of NSG anyways.
 
yeah i completely agree.

the whole thing is flawed anyway. it wa the other day i read it so i cant remember it in detail, but i think i remember reading something like, "How could such a shy and quiet person do this?"

Seriously? i dunno about you guys, but i'd say its the quiet recluse types that are usually involved in stuff like this. like, you wouldn't expect some loudmouth party animal who's friends with everyone to be more likely to do something like this would you? (sorry if that sounds like a dick thing to say, i hope you understand what im getting at)

anyway, i don't care, this whole thing is bullshit and is disrespectful IMO
 
Apparently posting a disclaimer stating that this isn't my view isn't enough for you idiots. Fuck you all.

THIS IS NOT MY VIEW

THIS IS NOT MY VIEW

THIS IS NOT MY VIEW

Do you understand now? That I simply copy/pasted something that seemed interesting? That I am not a dumb conspiracy person? That you have no idea what my views are on this?
 
Mental illness/insanity is not an excuse. They are still a criminal. In fact I think they use the term "criminally insane".

Most of these mass shootings end with the killers taking their own lives. That is what makes this case so rare. Perhaps there is something to learn from this monster that may help us understand why these things are happening fairly regularly.
 
Well honestly that's what you get for reposting this 6-day-old used backseat heatwave tampon, dumbass.

I mean seriously, what did you think was gonna happen??
 
Will. Why the fuck do you care so much about what I post? I can guarantee you:

>Saw it was posted by me.

>Clicked.

>Saw it wasn't about Wu Tang or South Park or something else you personally like.

>Felt the need to post that.

While we're at it, let's look at a thread you made.

"Forum game: Whatever u want about the member above you"

Yeah, that's a fucking brilliant thread idea and no one could have ever thought of that! Congratulations! You made the most useless thread in the history of NS!

 
I had the faith that if I posted a disclaimer, people might read it and not direct their shit at me, but at the article, which does have flaws. But no, none of you have the reading comprehension ability. Sorry!
 
At least until this fucking abomination was anally birthed. Peoples' deaths weren't being used as fodder for a retard's propaganda cannon in his thread.
 
Your prose is like that of a 12 year old boy.

This is an internet forum and there are going to be threads about conspiracies no matter how silly they are.

And people aren't saying mental illness because it's a white person. Of course all of you silly kids full of white guilt are going to say things of that nature. They are saying mental illness because it doesn't make any sense for someone like him who could have been a doctor to go off the deep end and massacre a bunch of strangers. I think you have to be mentally ill to want to massacre people.
 
of course its not an excuse, no one is saying that, its an explanation. i dont even know what you think it would be an excuse for
 
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You obviously can't digest the ideas of others. I doubt you even read the article that OP posted. You said the mods should delete this thread and I think that make you sound ignorant. I don't buy into this conspiracy in the least, but this thread is more thought provoking than anything else in NSG.
 
Conspiracy? I doubt it. The figures in this article are inflated for effect. $10K is a better estimate, not $20K. It is no issue at all, not should it be, to acquire firearms. I personally can walk into a sporting goods store and 20 minutes later walk out with an AR. Purchasing large amounts of ammunition online is as simple as a few clicks. The amount he purchased, 6,000 rounds, is nothing to blink at, nor should it have aroused any suspicions. Among gun enthusiasts, it is considered common to own 10,000 rounds for every firearm one ones. People who own 40-50 firearms are not at all uncommon, so think about the sheer volume of ammunition that they were able to purchase with no problems.
The bomb making supplies are commonly available (just watch any action movie for their Home Depot scene). The knowledge should not be difficult for a doctoral student. The Internet contains a vast amount of information, and mixing together a few common supplies can create a very effective bomb. I personally do not have this knowledge, but am confident that if I spent an hour on Google I could learn the basics.
As far as surrendering, he made his point (whatever that was), so why not go peacefully? I really see no evidence of a conspiracy. What I do see is evidence of people going way out of their way and grasping at straws to try to make this look like a conspiracy.
 
After reading that whole thing in its entirety, Some of it sounds dumb but some of it sounds kind of right. Where did he learn to make all those explosives in his apartment?
 
Yeah it was clear it wasnt your opinion. But this is a tragedy a lot of people on here are personally touched by so it hits close to home. I agree nothing should be taboo for thought-provoking discussion but any half-wit can see the conclusions in this guy's article are A) ludicrous, and B) untimely and insensitive. Honestly the fact that you posted this shows that shows that neither A nor B occurred to you. For those who read your disclaimer but are bashing you anyway- thats what their after. Critical thinking isnt just shedding light on an argument, its also knowing when not to.
 
So you would like everyone to refrain from posting things like this, which stimulate discussion and growth of knowledge, just because they may offend people? Part A did occur to me. A lot of what he said is in fact, ludicrous. Part B I simply do not care about in any way, and nor should you.
 
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