Cody LaPlante binding sponsor
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BrandoComando
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14381111:Domaski said:
He got attacked midair, that's for sure
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Thegratefulskier
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14381111:Domaski said:
Looks about right.
xiaolongbao
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Trip cork 18 no skis becoming a new trick, we might see other riders trying to match it
14381313:jompcock said:
SofaKingSick
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negative points for boot grab, you gotta grab the ski itself man
seriously though that was fuckin insane and he handled it as well as he possibly could have, what a stud
seriously though that was fuckin insane and he handled it as well as he possibly could have, what a stud
cool270out
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Tom loved it. I loved it. Looked like a slope run on sled dogs
ajbski
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attacks arent so bad. you see cole richardson (@skier_cole) doing cork 7s with heavy as f head kores in deep snow. he is getting paid by them tho. im not sure cody is even sponsored by tyrolia...
i remember a video of aaron blunck pre releasing on tyrolias in a competition, then in the next run he is on pivots. i think something fishy is going on; many sponsorship contracts have performance clauses in them.
i remember a video of aaron blunck pre releasing on tyrolias in a competition, then in the next run he is on pivots. i think something fishy is going on; many sponsorship contracts have performance clauses in them.
bbw.enthusiast
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14381557:ajbski said:
every attack after the og attack1 is not worth using, i remember seeing max moffat use og attacks long after attack2s were released
ajbski
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other skis in this segment:
blizzard bonafide 97 - 4400g @ 177
season kin 97 - 3650g @ 175
Salomon QST 98 - 3720g @ 176
Faction Prodigy 2.0 98 - 3620g @ 177
head core 99 - 3580g @ 177
elan riptstick 96 - 3240g @ 181
Movement Go 98 ti - 3100g @ 178
Line vision 98 - 3030g @ 179
Scott Super Guide 95 - 2880g @178
black crows camox freebird 96 - 2750g @ 178
Blizzard Zero G 95 - 2500g @178
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idk they dont seem so light... they def didnt feel very light either.
I think for how stiff they are they incredibly light. Similar to the bonafide in terms of performance, but weigh as much as factions. so its a great ski. I still think its quite impressive someone can cork 7 on them, and that the bindings hold up.
source:https://www.evo.com/en-ca/guides/alpine-and-backcountry-ski-weights
blizzard bonafide 97 - 4400g @ 177
season kin 97 - 3650g @ 175
Salomon QST 98 - 3720g @ 176
Faction Prodigy 2.0 98 - 3620g @ 177
head core 99 - 3580g @ 177
elan riptstick 96 - 3240g @ 181
Movement Go 98 ti - 3100g @ 178
Line vision 98 - 3030g @ 179
Scott Super Guide 95 - 2880g @178
black crows camox freebird 96 - 2750g @ 178
Blizzard Zero G 95 - 2500g @178
Movement Alp Tracks
idk they dont seem so light... they def didnt feel very light either.
I think for how stiff they are they incredibly light. Similar to the bonafide in terms of performance, but weigh as much as factions. so its a great ski. I still think its quite impressive someone can cork 7 on them, and that the bindings hold up.
source:https://www.evo.com/en-ca/guides/alpine-and-backcountry-ski-weights
c0rkmanJones
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Haha miss playing this game so much
14381560:ajbski said:
14381961:ajbski said:
That list is apples to oranges. None of those skis are freeride skis except the Bonafide which like you said is the only comparable measure. Sure, 1800gs seems heavy if compared to a backcountry ski. The Head Kore punches well above its weight but it is a freeride series and 1800-1900 grams per ski feels very light, even just holding them in hand. The average freeride ski is coming in around 2200 grams per ski easily. Cole and Kuch ride the 105, 111, and 117 which are around 1900 grams per ski at 184cm and 2100gs for the 117 at 191. That's still quite light, especially given the size. Other skis that are actually comparable in terms of intended use would be the Enforcer free 104+115, fischer 102+115 fr, BC Anima, Rossi sender ti, Dynastar m-free 118, moment wildcat, revolt 121, Mindbender 116c. All of those skis are at least 2200-2300gs+ at the same length except the mindbender. Cole and Kuch are incredible skiers and obviously strong but it's not impressive at all that they can easily flick around a sub 2000g ski mounted with 900g tyrolia 16 bindings. Hell half the faction backcountry boys are throwing dubs off bc jumps and cork 7s off natural hits on 2100+gram Prodigy 3.0 185s mounted with all metal pivot 15s and the cast system (1500+ grams). Even John Brown was throwing dubs on the 2400g rossi blackops mounted with pivots (1200gs +/-) in level 1's Romance and in his recent Slvsh edit. John is a great freestyle rider for sure but is he bigger and stronger than Cole and Kuch? Realistically?
OutofBoundsPod
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"I want a set" lmfaaaaaaaao
ajbski
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14382038:mnosbod said:
yes it is lol. they wouldnt get the exposure they do if it wasnt impressive.
head kore as a mogul busting, hard charging, stiff as hell ski is relatively light.
head kore as a ski in general, not light.
the list is of skis of a similar size and shape, not commenting on performance in different conditions.
the point being made was if attacks hold up doing hard tricks, in variable conditions on heavier "freeride" skis, they are a decent binding in my opinion. i would consider as a viable option for a park set up.
what happened to cody laplante is pretty unusual and i dont think the bindings themselves have too much to do with it.
ReturnToMonkey
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14381961:ajbski said:
All this talk about ski weight... Ski weight is completely meaningless unless you are specifically caring about the uphill. What matters is weight distribution. My On3p Mangos are way heavier than my Wndr Apline Intentions, but the weight distribution means my mangos are easier to ski playfully. The weight seems far more cenetered, greatly reducing swing weight. This helps both in the air and making turns on snow. Stiffness is also completely unrelated to weight. Stiffness is an intrensic material property, meaning it doesn't matter how much material there is. Weight (mass) is extrensic, meaning it directly depends on the amount.
They make lightweight, stiff skis by using very inelastic materials such as carbon fiber or titanal with smaller amounts of flexible material such as wood or plastic. Material selection impacts both the stiffness and weight for sure, but weight and stiffness are not directly related. Different ski designs take all this and a lot more into considerstion to achieve desired performance goals. Using a rule of thumb that stiff skis are generally heavier is just plain wrong. Therefore, considering a ski's weight in your selection process is just stupid (except for when your personal uphill endurance is a primary concern).
Your 1800 gram Kores don't help you so much when I have 2200 gram Bonafides so I give you the 1000 grams of beer. (Joking)
ajbski
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14382133:ReturnToMonkey said:
some of this i agree with. some not.
swing weight for sure. like a centre mounted bonafide could feel lighter than a kore mounted at the very back. its a moment of intertia calculated from the centre of your boot to the centre of gravity on either the tip or tail.
id consider dampening/dampness of the ski to be a big factor of its performance too. any head graphene skis take the cake on that front. but it takes away from the "feel" of the ski. you cant really sense the snow.
ReturnToMonkey
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14382142:ajbski said:
Nope, it's not from the center of your boot. It's the axis of rotation which depends on your entire body position and generally this axis is not the center of the boot. Think a blunt grab where your skis are behing your butt, not below. The entire ski is rotating around your torso. Making a mogul turn, the pivot axis should be near the tips of the skis, nowhere near the bindings. It's very variable.
Also, some terminology correction. To dampen something means make it wet. You damp something to reduce vibration. Damping materials tend to be relatively lightweight, like cork or rubber. Not a big weight factor, although they do tend to be farther out on the ski.
Damping and stiffness are also non-isotropic in skis, meaning they are different in different directions. If you think graphene significantly helps with damping, lol. It is simply a stiff, lightweight material that in skis, helps the most with marketing.
The torsional direction is often forgotten about compared to bending direction and is probably more important to edge control (this i'm not sure about). But it's part of what makes the serated edges on some snowboards effective, as it spreads out the forces from just the tips, reducing torsional displacement. Torsional stiffness and damping often come from the triaxial fiberglass. I haven't seen a lot of skis with other materials in the directions associated with torsion (someone please provide some examples of those that do, I'm interested).
14382129:ajbski said:
Not as unusual as you may think. Attack2s had a big change in toe from the OGs and are known for AFD and toe release issues. I have their frame tour bindings - the problem doesn't exist there, just attack2s.
In this particular ejection, its almost 100% the binding that is needs to respond to the forces sent by the skier - this is where binding "elasticity" comes into play. A double ski ejection at that speed is life threatening.
When Nick G lost a ski in ~2015 it was because he started his jump with a nose press launch, this one Cody was fully clean on take-off and the skis rebound from the forces on the launch.
Actually, self correction, there isn't a good video angle of his takeoff, but it doesn't look clearly nose press launch but he is spinning as he comes over the lip.
Tyolia website says he is sponsored athlete and uses Attack2 16 GW binding, video looks like Full Tilt drop kick boots and there is a angle with a good look at his soles - they are clear and clean, not a snow issue.
**This post was edited on Jan 19th 2022 at 3:33:57pm
Tyolia website says he is sponsored athlete and uses Attack2 16 GW binding, video looks like Full Tilt drop kick boots and there is a angle with a good look at his soles - they are clear and clean, not a snow issue.
**This post was edited on Jan 19th 2022 at 3:33:57pm
ajbski
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when talking about swing weight of ski, yes its from the centre of your boot. same as swing weight on a tennis racquet is from your hand to the centre of gravity on the racquet. or golf clubs. the way in which you use them, the effective swing weight might be negligible. on skis i define it as the intertia you feel moving your skis side to side or forward to back.
14382129:ajbski said:
You really think Sam Kuch is famous because people are impressed he can do a cork 7 on Head Kore skis? Come on now that's laughable.. Half the NSers can cork 7 & 3 and throw shifty's outside the park on identical/heavier weight setups. Are they the next Cole or kuch? No. It's the actual lines they are skiing and terrain in which they are able to land these tricks which is impressive. Even guys riding actual heavy skis (2400+ grams) like Parker White and Kye Petersen. They aren't backcountry legends because their skis are heavy and people think their legs are strong lmao. It's cause they fucking rip. Dude none of the skis you listed except the Blizzard Bonafide are actually similar in shape/design to the Head Kore outside of the fact that they are all skis and not monoskis or snowboards. Head Kore is a lightweight ski series. Sam Kuch and Cole Richardson are still great skiers. These aren't mutually exclusive statements
14382287:ajbski said:
I'll just refer you to my previous statement because this has literally nothing to do with what I said. You think 1800g skis are heavy and Cole is a beefcake and famous for being able to huck tricks on them. That's fine you think that, but it doesn't make it true. K2 poachers are over 2000gs per ski. Revolt 95s are over 1900. Even Line Blends are over 1900gs per ski.. People aren't impressed with riders because of the weight of skis. You're wrong dude and it's a stupid argument defending a stupid statement
bbw.enthusiast
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14382312:ajbski said:
dude has clearly never spun more than 360 in his life
Chunderface
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why tf did he double ejectulate like that.
also: everyone on NS all of a sudden hates attacks.
also: everyone on NS all of a sudden hates attacks.