Charlie Hebdo shooting: eleven dead at Paris offices of satirical magazine
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fresh_prince
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The world would be a better place without religions
howlongcanausern
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13288570:.MASSHOLE. said:
it's not anti-muslim.
it's anti-violence, pro speech.
there is a 1 billion+ member culture that exists that opposes these principles...egypt, syria, saudi arabia, pakistan, UAE....how do you think women, homosexuals, those of other religions (infidels), and children get treated in these places?
SpookyCat
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13290736:Wampire said:
Yeah man, I fucking love cheaply made JPGs that make it seem fake, instead of posting legitimate news stories with accounts that are corroborated by other people/sources. Cause like, as long as the image looks good, who cares about verifying the legitimacy of it? Its all about the instant impact of the image/text, right?
I mean like because that's so different than the recruiting tactics of the extremists...
Laurent.
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Apparently the police force have them right now cornered in Dammartin-en-goele.
You are such a blatant unfunny troll, those are Charb's own words to Le Monde in 2012:
Pourtant, c'est crânement qu'il déclare n'avoir pas peur d'éventuelles représailles. "Je n'ai pas de gosses, pas de femme, pas de voiture, pas de crédit. C'est peut-être un peu pompeux ce que je vais dire, mais je préfère mourir debout que vivre à genoux."
En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/actualite-medias/article/2012/09/20/je-n-ai-pas-l-impression-d-egorger-quelqu-un-avec-un-feutre_1762748_3236.html#qy5e6iCJMbDm7uBg.99
13290761:JenniferGarner said:
You are such a blatant unfunny troll, those are Charb's own words to Le Monde in 2012:
Pourtant, c'est crânement qu'il déclare n'avoir pas peur d'éventuelles représailles. "Je n'ai pas de gosses, pas de femme, pas de voiture, pas de crédit. C'est peut-être un peu pompeux ce que je vais dire, mais je préfère mourir debout que vivre à genoux."
En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/actualite-medias/article/2012/09/20/je-n-ai-pas-l-impression-d-egorger-quelqu-un-avec-un-feutre_1762748_3236.html#qy5e6iCJMbDm7uBg.99
Bombogenesis
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13291042:MLJ said:
Ugh
Another siege happening in Eastern Paris in a Kosher Jewish supermarche, apparently some gunfire exchanged before the gunman took a hostage -possibly more than 1 in the supermarche.
Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-30722098
Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-30722098
Bombogenesis
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13291068:JDA said:
Reports are 5 hostages.
I can't believe that kid up there ^ said that someone was a bad person because they thought Muslim extremists were the worst out there right now. Have you not turned on the fucking news in the last 15 years you pos?
Bombogenesis
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The hating all Muslims part is messed up yeah, but fanatical Muslims are way worse than any other fringe religious group out there right now and it's not even up for debate.
maximiliaan
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And apperantly another man is walking armed through paris close to the eiffel tower.
nothing official reported yet.
nothing official reported yet.
fghtoffyrdmns
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This whole situation is fucked
theBearJew
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13291115:maximiliaan said:And apperantly another man is walking armed through paris close to the eiffel tower.
nothing official reported yet.
I thought about that when they said somewhere around 1200 police were responding to the hostage situations. If another terrorist cell wanted to that was the perfect moment to attack somewhere else across town.
Monsieur_Patate
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13291147:theBearJew said:
Don't you worry, there's still plenty available. You have about 20.000 police officers in the Paris area alone. Plus they could still bring in some from the other regions, or even bring in the army.
You also have different intervention groups, for example the GIPN and the RAID are currently working the hostage situation north of Paris, but the BRI is taking care of the other hostage situation in Paris.
Then remains the GIGN, the PI2G, UCLAT, and probably others I don't even know about. It basically depends on the jurisdiction, but all of those are intervention groups specialized in terrorist situations.
They can handle much more than that.
maximiliaan
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they started the invation in Dammartin-en-Goele where the two brothers are.
Monsieur_Patate
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13291215:*SNO* said:
Yeah, they killed the two brothers and saved the hostage.
Still waiting on the update from the other situation, but the situation is over. We just don't yet know if/who died.
Bombogenesis
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Early indications are that the French police and security forces did an amazing job. So much respect for those guys.
shocker611
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Don't know if this has been posted yet but I think it hits it pretty much on the head.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/
13291079:Bombogenesis said:
It's actually a sort of difficult question. If you go by the math it's undoubtedly true - Christian extremists (whatever you want to look at as the modern KKK) simply do not have the sort of body count that is evident when we look at the actions of muslim extremists. And although Jewish extremism in the middle east has certainly produced some atrocities, again, just on a pure numbers basis it doesn't compare.
But on the other hand, is the result what makes a form of religious extremism bad? There are plenty of Christian extremists who, if they could, would kill all homosexuals, stem cell researchers, even cosmologists who dare to question their version of God as the source of all (irony abounds) morality and goodness. Does the difference really just the fact that one sect has the means to carry out their evil beliefs make them inherently worse? I'm not sure it does.
It's really a pointless debate, though. Rather than comparing Muslim extremism to Jewish or Christian extremism, just let's say that religious extremism is the source of the problem here and skip the singling out of one particular group, because they're all enjoining or committing terrible acts in the name of their faith. In light of that it hardly matters what book they say is most important, does it?
Mr.Huck
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I know I am going to get more hate for this, but I hope every country starts taking this threat more seriously. These guys were on the radar of French Anti-terrorism (not sure what they call them). They knew that the older brother went to an Al Qaeda training camp. People don't go there to learn how to properly position their prayer rugs.
At the very least they should have had their passports revoked. I know everybody gets butt hurt when they think governments are trampling on civil liberties, but civil liberties also include the right to go to work and not be gunned down in your office along with you coworkers by religious extremists that your government has already determined to be a threat. Not saying that all of these attacks are preventable, or that I know the solution but governments have to recognize that the PC, kind and gentle approach isn't working.
It is not all Muslims, but there are those who believe in a very specific interpretation, and they believe that anyone who does not share their specific belief must be killed. They dismiss the concept of tolerance. If they managed to kill off all the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc; they would then begin exterminating all moderate Muslims.
I can't think of any other time in history or any other culture that has wanted to rid everyone from the face of the earth who did not share their beliefs.
I know TLDR, but something else I find interesting is that the police in France have way more freedom than U.S. cops. They apparently can torture and beat the living crap out of anyone to get information. Makes me wonder why they aren't tougher on these guys when they start threatening attacks.
At the very least they should have had their passports revoked. I know everybody gets butt hurt when they think governments are trampling on civil liberties, but civil liberties also include the right to go to work and not be gunned down in your office along with you coworkers by religious extremists that your government has already determined to be a threat. Not saying that all of these attacks are preventable, or that I know the solution but governments have to recognize that the PC, kind and gentle approach isn't working.
It is not all Muslims, but there are those who believe in a very specific interpretation, and they believe that anyone who does not share their specific belief must be killed. They dismiss the concept of tolerance. If they managed to kill off all the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc; they would then begin exterminating all moderate Muslims.
I can't think of any other time in history or any other culture that has wanted to rid everyone from the face of the earth who did not share their beliefs.
I know TLDR, but something else I find interesting is that the police in France have way more freedom than U.S. cops. They apparently can torture and beat the living crap out of anyone to get information. Makes me wonder why they aren't tougher on these guys when they start threatening attacks.
SKI.ING
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13291296:Mr.Huck said:
It will never happen with the liberal progressive mindset that everyone is adopting these days. I've said it in other threads, people have tied our governments hands behind their back. It's fucked because they yank them and nothing happens so it's unfair so they release them and something happens and then people complain. Theyre pretty good working within their means to prevent this stuff and France was on point in their response.
13291296:Mr.Huck said:
No they don't.
This demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding about what civil liberties are. They are a protection from tyranny exercised by government. Asking the government to keep you safer at the expense of giving them the ability to prosecute you for thought crimes is idiotic.
Mr.Huck
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13291379:J.D. said:
Not ashamed at all. Yes, I should probably be more familiar with the constitution, but I don't break laws, and it is not something that comes up on a day to day basis. I'm a ski coach, not a constitutional lawyer. I used the wrong term. The point is that one of the responsibilities of government is to protect it's citizens. And I am not talking about thought crimes. Someone I was watching summed it up perfectly. I have the right to free speech, but if I yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater, my free speech directly threatens the safety of others and becomes criminal. Based on all the reports I have seen, these guys crossed this threshold prior to the attack and the french authorities didn't do anything.
What do you propose? Are you happy with the status quo? When they start blowing shit up and killing people in Canada, are you going to be OK with that?
Anyway, I hate these arguments. I hate big, overly intrusive government, but I guess I hate seeing innocent people killed by extremists worse.
13291475:Mr.Huck said:
They already did, some jackass attacked Parliament this year, did you miss that?
If the alternative to the status quo is prosecution for thought crime, then yes, I'll take the status quo. And yes, that is what you are proposing. These guys attended an al qaeda camp and had radical notions, but you're allowed to have whatever notions you like, provided you do not act on them. You're proposing identifying people with threatening beliefs and attitudes and taking action against them because of the perceived risk that they MIGHT do something harmful. That is the quintessence of totalitarianism: "The state knows what you're thinking, and will punish you for it".
So back to the status quo. Well, I'm more likely to die being trampled by a buffalo or falling down an open elevator shaft this year than I am to be killed by a terrorist. I'm not afraid of terrorism. So vis a vis terrorism, I'm generally pretty fine with the status quo. Maybe some adjustments can be made, like increasing police response times or having a crisis unit available to respond more quickly. Gun control measures, that kind of thing. But overall, not too scared of getting shot by a guy yelling "Allahu Akbar" - I have more likely problems to face.
I am afraid of having my right to think and say what I please taken away from me, and when you take it away from someone else, I feel like I could easily be next, because that's how it always goes with this sort of totalitarian action. You see something, no matter how remote it is, and out of fear completely overreact by begging your government to protect you at basically any cost. I consider you and people who talk like you do on this issue to be, bluntly, cowards. And fairly dumb ones, too. If you want to be afraid of something that can feasibly kill you, get angry about drunk drivers and heart disease.
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No I didn't miss that. Yeah, I'm sure it shook some folks up, but only one person was killed. I hope we can agree that 9/11 was a whole different thing. This guy is a stud of major proportions BTW:
Here's an example of what I'm talking about. I would not recommend that you pull up this site.
Inspire Magazine|JIHADOLOGY
jihadology.net/category/inspire-magazin - deleted characters to disable link.
^ This is all over the news today. It is a forum site for terrorists. Among other things it teaches jihadists how to make a bomb in their mother's kitchen. The fact that governments allow this site to stay up is truly moronic. It only exists for the purpose of spreading an ideology of jihad. Hackers should spam the crap out of this site. They should constantly be loading up videos of guys fisting donkeys or giving BJs to camels. They should dump so much malware on that site that if you pull it up, your computer craps all over your lap and dies, or fries your testicles. Free speech = good, free speech with the ultimate aim of killing a bunch of people in the name of religious jihad = Bad.
Anyway J.D., you and I are never going to agree on this.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about. I would not recommend that you pull up this site.
Inspire Magazine|JIHADOLOGY
jihadology.net/category/inspire-magazin - deleted characters to disable link.
^ This is all over the news today. It is a forum site for terrorists. Among other things it teaches jihadists how to make a bomb in their mother's kitchen. The fact that governments allow this site to stay up is truly moronic. It only exists for the purpose of spreading an ideology of jihad. Hackers should spam the crap out of this site. They should constantly be loading up videos of guys fisting donkeys or giving BJs to camels. They should dump so much malware on that site that if you pull it up, your computer craps all over your lap and dies, or fries your testicles. Free speech = good, free speech with the ultimate aim of killing a bunch of people in the name of religious jihad = Bad.
Anyway J.D., you and I are never going to agree on this.
Laurent.
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The footage of the ending of the hostage situation at the supermarket in Paris as shown on TV on France 3.
(Note this includes the visuals of the hostage taker being shot so viewer discretion advised).
Liveleak permalink:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1420833044
(Note this includes the visuals of the hostage taker being shot so viewer discretion advised).
maximiliaan
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13291706:omnidata said:
Whuuut did he got shot like 30 times or something?
howlongcanausern
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13291706:omnidata said:
holy shit that guy who ran in first
SpookyCat
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades13291291:J.D. said:
Yeah, only like 4 million people died because of the Christian/Catholic extremists that were in possession of possibly the most powerful army in the world at that time. One of the reasons Islam-phobia exists is because all the other religious nuts believe their religion would never commit such acts of terror... except that most religions have and some have committed worse at one point or another.
Anyone else feel a big rush of joy after seeing that video of the extremist pig getting shot 80 times? Fucking right.
BravoWhiskey5280
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13291887:SkiBum. said:
Actually you couldn't be more wrong, someone would have been bombed if this were in Bush's America. But in Obama's America this would of been labeled as an act of work place violence just as it was with the massacre at Fort Hood. The bitch ass pussies that make up the liberal population in America and their supreme leader Kim Jung Obama would never call these events an act terrorism because doing so might be offensive to some.
Dustin.
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13292157:WoldsWorld said:
That's a bit of an immature ideology. Especially considering both France and the US are actively bombing ISIL targets in the Middle East either now or very recently. This isn't at all a Bush vs. Obama issue, and I'd argue no issue is since opinion related to that is nothing more than speculation.