Central sued for $14 mil

^ right after the initial verdict, summit's website had a statement saying they intended to appeal the decision.
 
Your posts are thoughtful and well put chris.

My favorite is the person quoting the bible, or "some book" as he calls it. Dumbass. But everything you've said is true.... you guys are all great friends, but if one of you fucks up and breaks your back, you're fucked.

Hell, when you broke your teeth out I didn't want to help you in the patrol hut, we both wanted to leave you there to settle it on your own (not really)
 
"If a personal friend of mine hurt themselves at snoqualmie and then tried to sue the mountain, I would punch them in the jaw, quadrapalegic or not."

-Chris

ahahahaha
 
word chris and whoever that mark guy is are going at him nicely. good to see that rather than "im glad you won" type of bullshit.
 
I'm going to paste this in here, cause once he sees this stuff he'll no doubt delete it. And some of it is pure gold

(no name)

To the bible quoting nancy boy that said this

"I thank God that I do not know any of you personally, because I do believe there's a line in a book somewhere that says something like "Judge not lest you be judged." If you don't understand that message... maybe you should apply some of your vast intelligence to it. Between the 3 of you - you should be able to figure it out."

Most of the most racist and bigoted people in the world consider themselves to be christians. So don't lecture me about judgement. I judge a person based on his words, action and merit, and I have judged your friend Kenny to be a coward. And yes I am advocating his suicide, because of the shame he has brought to himself and his family by his cowardice. Unfortuantely because of his condition its going to be awfully hard for him to regain his honor without help. Maybe one of you, his so called "friends" could help him out by pushing his wheelchair of that big cliff above shots 6-10 at Alpental? Of course then I'm sure you guys would try to sue them again for letting that dangerous rock formation exist near their ski area.

much love,

Chris

May 08 9:55 PM

Deb,

If a personal friend of mine hurt themselves at snoqualmie and then tried to sue the mountain, I would punch them in the jaw, quadrapalegic or not. The kid that died dropped into a 30 foot jump from about 300 vertical feet higher than where you need to drop into it, his death is just an extreme example of natural selection. The person that broke his back was trying to do a backflip having never done one before even on a trampoline.

So again... natural selection

Chris

May 08 7:08 PM

To anonymous,

Lawsuits have their specific place, because there are times when people are held responsible. But for some reason, in the United States, people will sue for just about anything, which just isn't right. It is one thing if something is faulty (which they tried to accuse Snoqualmie of), dealings with contracts and other binding issues, or if somebody or organization puts a burden of some kind on you. There are many other instances when judicial intervention is necessary and appropriate. This is just not one of those instances.

-mark

May 08 7:04 PM

Deb,

It would seem appropriate that there was neglegence on Snoqualmie's part if there were repeated incidences of mountain neglegence. However, you have to look at WHY these incidences happened, such as a death and broken back. I'll preface the reasons by say The Summit seems to get a lot of people that are hot and biscuit to go out and go huge in terrain parks, as if they just watched the X-games on TV, yet, most of these people are way, way out of their league. The guy who died was literally insane, and I believe he was on drugs. Afterall, the mountain wasn't sued after that incident because it was purely the skier's fault. This is no different, except instead of death, there was paralyzation. The other guy who broke his back... he was a novice, out of his league. So many factors are to be considered before hitting a jump, such as the aforementioned ability, weather, conditions, etc. Kenny made a bad decision, as did the others.

Like I said, I could never wish this on anybody because it is, indeed, hard on the people involved. I would sincerely hope it never happens to me or anybody I know, or just anybody in general. However, that said, this is clearly raping the system and an absolutely audastic and distgusting displacement of blame. We as skiers and riders (and other participants in dangerous sports) acknowledge that there is risk. It says that specifically on the lift ticket/season pass, lift towers, tops of terrain parks, etc. With man made features, you just have to have the wits to hit it properly; it takes experience and ability. There are skiers and borders who have hit jumps that are absolutely gigantic, easily exceeding 100ft. Sometimes people get hurt on features this big, many times not. But what it really boils down to is that he CHOOSE to hit a jump he could not do properly, and the outcome that happened is a very real, and very potential consequence. But instead of leaving it that way, he has to sue the mountain for an astronomical amount of money, potentially whiping out this niche of winter sports, which could also affect other sports in the long run.

It's all about responsibility.

-mark

May 08 7:00 PM

James, Mark and Chris - it would be great to be as intelligent as you three think you are. Between the 3 of you - you have advocated suicide, called our judicial system a joke, and have shown how "responsible" you think you are, just with your postings.

I thank God that I do not know any of you personally, because I do believe there's a line in a book somewhere that says something like "Judge not lest you be judged." If you don't understand that message... maybe you should apply some of your vast intelligence to it. Between the 3 of you - you should be able to figure it out.

But while you're there, if a person was to go by your way of thinking. You should work on getting all lawyers and judges completely obliterated. After all - every lawsuit is considered "frivilous" by somebody who is "responsible." Aren't they?

May 08 6:53 PM

I understand that Mark and Chris is upset about the parks leveling jumps and so on but I thought I read somewhere that either a week before or after Kenny's injury that someone died at that same park and someone else broke their back. Its not just a single accident but many. It seems really sad that some people put recreation before someone's life. That person who died was someones son, brother, boyfriend or best friend. Its also sad that people would tell someone they hope they burn because they dont agree with an action. If it was someone that Mark or Chris personally knew, someone they are or were close to, I dont think they would feel the same way.

Deb

May 08 4:24 PM

Mark is 100% right, its truly a shame that the american court system still allows these injustices to happen. I feel terrible for what happened to you, but it is absolutely your fault. Using a ski/snowboard jump is nothing like riding a rollercoaster. When you hit a jump on your skis you are in complete control of how you hit it, what you do in the air and where/how you are going to land. When you ride a rollercoaster you are strapped in and immobilized (you should know all about this), and your body is under the control of the machine and the engineers that designed and built that machine. Of course with both of these, nobody made you even go near either one. You made a choice, and now your are living with the consequences of that choice, and I feel bad for you, I real do, because I know it could happen to me as well.

You my friend made another choice, you chose not to take responsibility for your actions and to attempt to put the blame on someone undeserving of it. And know we are alll being made to suffer for your irresponsibility. You're winning of your lawsuit has set a dangerous precedent and now resorts all around the country have toned down their jumps or just plowed them over completely. You are the catalyst that is trying to choke the life out of a sport that I love. All because you weren't enough of a man to accept your mistakes.

Please, put your family out of their shame and misery. Pull the plug on yourself.

Sincerely,

Chris

May 08 3:44 PM

JAMES

RIGHT ON Mark!!

Responsiblity !!!

no one in America wants to take responsiblity for their actions!!!

don't worry...Kenny will get zippo on appeal and his book will flop

May 08 2:03 PM

Well I finally stumbled upon this blog after hearing much about it, and I must say, congratulations.

But I'm not referring to your "victory," no no, far from. I believe that this settlement FULLY exemplifies everything wrong with irresponsible people, such as yourself. Congratulations of raping a system that benefits the irresponsible, and puts the blame on others.

I myself have ridden at the Summit-at-Snoqualmie for years and years, and only ONCE have I been hurt hitting their jumps. All that amounted was a broken thumb, but it was MY fault, for hitting the jump, for trying a new trick. I paid the consequences, and so be it. You, on the other hand, couldn't take responsibility for your actions. You couldn't even ski well enough, or more imporantly, didn't have enough brains to gauge a jump. Reading the court records, the ONLY CONCEIVABLE WAY that your accident happened was you were skiing IRRESPONSIBLY and OUT OF CONTROL. I had hit the very same feature you did, but no injury for me. The jump was small, so you were going too fast. What if you were driving a car on a 25mph curve, going 75? Should you sue the state for the immenent crash? Or if you hit a 30ft table top, going 50mph, should you sue the ski area because you went 4x too far? More relevant, if you hit a 30ft table top (not the same as falling 30ft up mind you) while going 50mph, and you're a novice (and you were obviously a novice at best), should you sue the ski area for the inevetable? What if you climb Everest, and it is your first climb ever, and you get injured because you fell on a fixed line, should you sue the Nepalese? It doesn't make sense, except that you just cannot accept responsibilty for your own actions.

This is what tears the country apart. These frivilous lawsuits where people will just put all the blame on others because their actions put them into painful situations. Is it good you were paralyzed? No, I could never wish that on anybody, but YOU, because of your lawsuit, because of your inhibition to accept that YOU WERE AT FAULT, have created a wave that could cause (and has been creating) a demise in ski area terrain parks, and hell, with practically any type of venue of a similar nature.

Please rot in hell, or start taking some responsibility.

-mark

May 08 11:47 AM

 
what a coward

"20 years of skiing experience doesn't mean you have 20 years of "ski jumping" experience. Just being an expert skier doesn't mean you have the slightest clue how to slide a rail, ride a halfpipe well, or jump with ability or style. I am currently studying engineering at CU Boulder and during I skied 3 days a week refining my tricks and learning new ones, and I can assure you I am a much better skier than you were.

I will tell you this my dimwitted friend, It's not possible to "engineer" a jump with a landing that goes on forever. No matter how long you make that landing and how much snow you push into a mound to be able to make that landing long and steep, There's always going to be some moron just like you that goes way too fast so your buddies can see how much "sweet air" you got. No matter what, some weekend warrior is going to overshoot and get hurt.

So I ask you Kenny, what exactly do you hope to accomplish other than a little cash in your pocket?

Zane"

just pasting this because I'm sure it will be deleted soon
 
hes got these hoes all posting nice, sweet comments and shit...telling us to grow up. fucking rediculous
 
Wow, I just visited his blog for the first time. I'm not an incredibly outspoken person when it comes to bashing a quadriplegic...but I definitely don't see his logic when he said:

"Contrary to what they might think, this verdict won't raise the prices of their tickets or shut down their terrain parks, but revolutionize the way they are built to ensure that no matter how big or small either a novice skier or an expert rider with 20 years experience such as myself goes off these jumps, injuries from overshooting their landings will be completely avoided."

It's more the second portion of that quote that I don't agree with. He's saying that jumps will be engineered so that both novice AND advanced skiers can land safely and that ALL injuries from overshooting will be "completely avoided?" That's not even possible, even if mountains were to build jumps that both a "novice skier or an expert rider" could hit, it wouldn't prevent gomers (both novice and "expert..apparently such as himself") from misjudging speed. And by asserting that jumps will be "revolutionized" he implies a digression from what terrain parks have accomplished thus far. As a result of this lawsuit, all mountains with parks are most likely questioning the features in their own parks because they're concerned that such a lawsuit might be brought against them. Weak. Anyway, i'm sure someones already said the same thing, but there's my two cents.

 
Oh I see, he's just trying to help us all out, get mountains to build and maintain better features...

But wheres that 14 mil going? He better pay off his medical expense and then donate it to Terrain Park Engineers of America. Or a mountain. I'd suggest snoqualmie, I heard they got sued by some dumbass.
 
Yeah, I'm sorry, but all this talk about revolutionizing, etc is bullshit.

It doesn't take an engineer to make a ski jump. Hell, if you REALLY want to get technical about it, its just kinematics, f=ma. Horizontal speed stays (relatively) constant, vertical speed varies as V = G*t (where G is acceleration from gravity).

That is NOT engineering.

You can't design a jump that nobody can get hurt on, a ski jump is a ski jump, its a pretty basic shape. Ramp, then a sloped bit for a landing.

Am I missing something? Did I not learn anything while getting my degree?

dumbass.
 
Or some kind of quadraplegic research. For $14 million I'd expect some doctors to figure out a way to make me walk again.
 
its mighty interesting. I already got the scoop, and it opens your eyes to the damages that this kind of law suit creates.
 
Alright alright, check it

So my parents own two houses at Hyak Estates, they're located right across the street from the lower parking lot at Hyak, with a nice view of the ski area from the front. Anyways, part of snoqualmie's long term growth plan is better chairlift access at Hyak, which would involve replacing the old up and down chair with a new quad (not sure whether it would be an express or not). Also there were plans for a new daylodge and other upgrades at Hyak.

So property values at Hyak are expected to jump astronomically when these upgrades are implemented, like almost double.

As you can imagine, these upgrades rely heavily on the availability of capital. Capital the won't be available because its going into this fucking crippled douchebag's pocket. So the upgrades at Hyak have been suspended indefinitly, and this fucking blame projecting cock smoker is robbing my family, who saw real estate at Hyak as a wise investment.
 
Funny story...I was talking to my mom about this whole thing and she just now informed me that during one of my school soccer games she had a little conversation with this attorney of this guys. I go to woodinville and we were playing garfield and I have a friend on that team so my mom was sitting with his mom and they were near the attorney guy. my friends mom knows we ski and said something to the guys mentioning that my family skis and that we hit jumps and what not. apparantly the guy immediatly started lechuring my Mom about how the guys building jumps arn't engineers and how she better make sure i'm wearing a helmet and all this stuff. My mom got kinda mad at how the guy started telling her what she should and shouldn't do so she fired back telling him that she is well aware of what I'm doing in the park and of the consequences that are at stake and that she things the people in charge are doing a fine job. She then mentioned that if my son did get hurt i hope he was have the smarts to know that it was his own fault and take responsibility for what had happend.

the guy apparantly didn't have much to say after that...
 
wtf is this?

JAMES

Hey Kenny...Hey everyone else

This is the guy who signed on (as JAMES) with some pretty ignorant comments earlier regarding Kenny and his recent lawsuit. This goes for Mark and Chris too...seems we were on a mission to get everyone to assume we knew all the facts and Kenny should not have gotten anything. Well...I humbly submit that Kenny's motives were not based soley on dollars and cents and after chatting with him and getting a few more details surrounding exactly what did happen...and the events that happened before and after Kenny's accident......The ski resort was wrong...completely...all the ignorant things I said (as well as Mark and Chris) were based on a very superficail understanding of the facts.

Kenny....You may not know it..but you have already prevented terrible injuries to countless unknown people because of your determination...If only someone would have had your balls to make needed changes before you took the jump........

Anyway...Kenny..I apologize again for being an asshole

Jim

May 21 6:40 AM

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What the fuck? is the fucking republican party controlling that blog? It won't even let me post comments now. And now this fool is pretending to be james and is taking back his statements. God I want nothing more than to stab this cribby boy in his leg then feed him a little rat poison so it thins out his blood so he bleeds to death without feeling a thing, fucker.
 
it is snoqualmie's falt, for selling that tool a lift ticket...and not installing gaper fencing, they need to get on that.
 
hahah, props to mama shoening. dont let bitches tell you what to do. did your mom happen to mention that not being a retard and going mach 3 into a jump also helsp you not get hurt?
 
or it just makes them sign to full responsibility, so then natural selection will take it's course without lawsuits.
 
You honestly think a park pass would stop the EXACT same lawsuit from happening? If this guy had bought a park pass, he would have still sue'd, and would have still won.

The lift ticket ALONE should be enough as far as liability. If it isn't legally bounding, why does it have all the fine print on it?
 
No I think if people had to take a little class and pay some scrilla to get a park pass, the majority of larrys like this guy wouldn't even bother. Only the people who are serious about it would
 
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