Cast system toe play??

[JacobCampos]

Hey all,

I can’t find any thread with this in it so I’ll just ask.

On a mounted cast system does anyone’s toe pieces (alpine or tech mine has both) have some wiggle to them? Just curious as the wiggle is a little nerve racking but goes away when the boot is in.

 

[ditchseeker]

Yeah, can happen over time. When I first noticed it, I got maybe another 1/4 turn from the mounting screws and that fixed it for a bit. Came back after a while though and I replaced the mounting hardware (screws and step washers) and that got rid of all the play.

 

[JacobCampos]

Ah gotcha. It’s a new mount so maybe the screws aren’t down as far as they could be? Only problem with that is being able to slide the tech toes on and off without resistance

 

[elm.]

I've had this and you gotta get a ski tech who has experience with cast. Or mount yourself, but cast definitely seems to have a break in point

 

[JacobCampos]

I've had this and you gotta get a ski tech who has experience with cast. Or mount yourself, but cast definitely seems to have a break in point

What did you do to remedy it?

 

[ditchseeker]

I first noticed it after around 50+ days, so slightly different scenario. They can definitely be overtightened. I would take 'em to a tech that's familiar with CAST setups.

Ah gotcha. It’s a new mount so maybe the screws aren’t down as far as they could be? Only problem with that is being able to slide the tech toes on and off without resistance

 

[elm.]

What did you do to remedy it?

I actually have binding freedom on 4 of my skis with cast, so I can play with the torque of the screws on the toe piece. 3 of my skis fit the same skins which is why I did this.

 

[Flowtis]

I asked them when I mounted mine, they said it was normal to have play until the boot is on and that if they don't the screws might not be straight. My tech toes don't have any play tho.

 

[JacobCampos]

I asked them when I mounted mine, they said it was normal to have play until the boot is on and that if they don't the screws might not be straight. My tech toes don't have any play tho.

The play goes away when the boot is in for mine. Just curious if anyone’s had further issues.

 

[Flowtis]

The play goes away when the boot is in for mine. Just curious if anyone’s had further issues.

Only issue I had was the brakes popping out sometimes when walking, fixed it by putting velcro straps before going up.

 

[powpatrol]

Only issue I had was the brakes popping out sometimes when walking, fixed it by putting velcro straps before going up.

this is a fairly common one but is usually either snow/ice build up not letting the brake latch go all the way down or the brake latch screws being a little misplaced. can unscrew them slightly, engage the latch then screw them back down to put them in proper place

 

[cndr]

Mine have a slight wiggle with the alpine toes but not the tech toes. Pretty standard from what I've seen. Zero play and tests fine with the boot in.

 

[Corey_O132]

I think it's normal to have a bit of play on the alpine. I have two second ski sets and 2/3 have a little bit of play with the alpine toes in. You can just tighten them down, but be careful not to strip your thread if your rolling with alpine screws. If you have inserts be careful too. You can rip the insert out from overtightening it.

It shouldn't matter too much unless you have some serious play in them. They way the cast system is designed if the bsl is set correctly on the pivot mount & adjustment then your boot should push the front binding right up against the screws. It's a bit worrying though that your tech peice has play though. I'd maybe look at trying to tighten those screws a little.

 

[JacobCampos]

I think it's normal to have a bit of play on the alpine. I have two second ski sets and 2/3 have a little bit of play with the alpine toes in. You can just tighten them down, but be careful not to strip your thread if your rolling with alpine screws. If you have inserts be careful too. You can rip the insert out from overtightening it.

It shouldn't matter too much unless you have some serious play in them. They way the cast system is designed if the bsl is set correctly on the pivot mount & adjustment then your boot should push the front binding right up against the screws. It's a bit worrying though that your tech peice has play though. I'd maybe look at trying to tighten those screws a little.

Just tighten em? Or pull screws reapply glue and then reinsert screws?

 

[Corey_O132]

Just tighten em? Or pull screws reapply glue and then reinsert screws?

Depends on how you have em mounted. I'm assuming with alpine screws. If thats the case then yeah break em loose, pull em & use a high stregth stuff like this:
https://www.bindingfreedom.com/epoxy/

or this (i find this is easier to get at home depot, lowes or ace + it has a longer setup time so you won't be rushing):
https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-826...ocphy=9029228&hvtargid=pla-320192516391&psc=1

If you're not in a rush & especially if whoever mounted them used wood glue, then I'd be worth it to soak the alpine screws in vinegar for a day (after you remove them from the ski of course) and it'll get off all/most of the old glue so you have better adheasion on the used screw. It might be worth it to give them a quick scrub after soaking with a steel brush. Then rinse in water, dry em off and reglue.

*You dont need a whole ton of glue & just a dab in the hole & a dab of the screw it'll be good - as you thread them it'll spread on the screw*

Also, be VERY VERY cafeful not to blow out the threads. You'll feel it if you do. The screw stops tightening and will just spin in place. Essientially the alpine screws will dig into the core and ski and create threads when you screw them in the first time, but if you go to far in those threads with break and not much is holding the screw in at that point.

If this happens, it's kinda fucked, but you have to get a helicoil and set that in there.

Lil bit of risk, but so long as your mindful and careful while doing this it's worth it to get your tech peice sorted.

 

[cndr]

Just tighten em? Or pull screws reapply glue and then reinsert screws?

Corey has solid tips and advice when it comes to messing with CAST, it can be a finicky system at times. Before you tear into it, how much play are you actually getting? You mentioned the alpine toe pieces were a little wiggly but locked in good with a boot - this seems to be pretty normal.

The tech pieces aren't supposed to be "ski worthy" but just an uphill device. You mentioned in the OP that everything seems good once you're clicked in. You might be overthinking this, and messing with it could actually fuck it up.

@Cast what do you think?

 

[JacobCampos]

Corey has solid tips and advice when it comes to messing with CAST, it can be a finicky system at times. Before you tear into it, how much play are you actually getting? You mentioned the alpine toe pieces were a little wiggly but locked in good with a boot - this seems to be pretty normal.

The tech pieces aren't supposed to be "ski worthy" but just an uphill device. You mentioned in the OP that everything seems good once you're clicked in. You might be overthinking this, and messing with it could actually fuck it up.

@Cast what do you think?

I agree with your last statement. I had had some issue with getting it set up originally but now everything is locking in. Maybe I should just ski it and see how things go….I do appreciate everyone’s advice!