Canadian Gov't - Up in flames?

ok well i think that cuzz of the budget scam paul martin is prolly gunna get the boot outa office if theres an election

and they are voting on weather or not to have an election
 
so basically martin f'ed up big time, and the house of commons lost confidence in him, and decided to dissolve his gov't?
 
why? so that we can continue the corruption in government.

Vote conservative if you want your money spent on YOU and not on Martin and his crime ring. or as i like to call them... the liberanos
 
i have no idea wat them french canadians are doin, for all i know they gots a monkey as a leader or an eskimo or something
 
the conservative party does not even have a platform, last time i checked their website, they had more information on the liberals than they did on their own party.
 
Don't worry, it's still Canada, we're not gonna elect a conservative. I predict another liberal minority. As was just said, Harper and the conservative platform are way too weak to be elected, even though the liberals fucked up. You just can't win elections by default. Like in the states: Bush blew it but Kerry didnt do a good enough job of presenting an alternative.
 
Martin didnt fuck up...he's paying for past liberal party mistakes. The conservative platform is fucked and it will be a dark day if harper gets into office...which i doubt will happen. It'll most likely be a liberal minority with a larger NDP and Bloc presence...and most likely harper getting the boot from his party because he scares people too much.

The absolute last thing this country needs is a conservative government.
 
liberals need another PM with a distinguishing feature like cretien's speech impediment and droopy lip from his stroke.
 
uhhh why? So we can ban abortion, get cozy with the states christian right conquest and more deeper into our draconian drug laws? We need to take a lesson from european nations and move progressively forward and not get bogged down with our nasty neighbor to the south.
 
Liberals fucked up, but they are a better choice then the rest... well except for the marijuana party of canada but they will never get elected.
 
We've got a couple of problems.

One, the current Martin Liberals do not have the support of any of the Opposition Parties, so unless the Liberals win a majority we are going to be faced with the same situation again. A Liberal Minority without the support of the Opposition. Thus, the next (meaning first) vote in the new parliament would be voted down and the GG would be forced to dissolve parliament and call the 3rd Election in less than 2 years. (Absolutely fucking our economic stability globally)

Second problem, if the Liberals win a Minority government, that unpredictable son-of-a-bitch Jack Layton might hop right back into bed with Martin. If he cuts a deal the government will survive. The only problem with this is it would make Layton the biggest hypocrite in Canadian political history Ever. He has gone on the record countless times in the last month stating his and his party's position that the Liberals are unfit to govern. What could have changed in a month and a half. Nothing. If Layton does go against his word, he would effectively end his career right then and there.

So that leads us to the 3rd problem. The majority of Canadians think that Harper is a scary fuck. However, the Tories do have the next largest support base in the country, leaving them to be the only Party able to hold a minority government. I personally would welcome this, but thats my position. I'm one of those crazy right-wing conservatives.

So it is going to be an interesting election to say the least. Please educate yourselves about the issues (and the history of the Liberal scandals) and get out there and vote.

P.S. please vote for anyone but the liberals. please
 
I know nothing about the canadian govt, just that they seem to make the right decisions more than the us govt. so, if you want a country as fucked up as ours, vote conservetive.
 
as long as steven harper doesnt become the new prime minister, I'm good. But this up and coming election is a waste of time and money.
 
man I personally am scared of harper. and the NPD as stateed before are kinda unreliable. And the liberals have had a shot and they blew.

Canadians have no good options right now. I really have no idea who I would vote for.
 
today was the weirdest day of all time (for me)

check it ,

-i sold $2000 in 4 hours at the shop i work at, which is unheard of.

-prison break left me hangin and disappointed

-the canadian government failed

-the pizza i ordered came to me mostly uncooked

-i was somehow sucking a slushy out of a straw and spilt it on my pizza

-this dude walked out of the store today in a fit of rage because he didn't understand why we couldn't mount bindings for him without the boot

-when i got home from work, my ladyfriend whom i usually talk to for hours decided to just NOT talk to me at all today and go to bed instead

-my dog actually didn't bark at all to get let out today

-i woke up this morning after having a dream about investigating a case when a guy fell out of an apartment building window, plummitting into a school bus (which really turned out to be a murder)

-i actually shaved my goatee perfectly straight for once, which didn't have to result in me getting frustrated and shaving the fuckin thing off

-i got invited, by one of my co-workers, to play on a baseball team with him and his buddies, which is sick. he's a blue jayz fan aswell so that's awesome.

-i got invited, by that same co-worker, to a party saturday night

-i mysteriously gained 3 pounds since yesterday

-i had the best feeling shower EVER

-legace didn't even get the start in the LA, Detroit game

-Demitra and Frolov didn't do ANYTHING for my pool

-McCabe scored the game-winner in overtime, resulting in a huge boost for my pool. (go leafs go!)

-i feel strangly wonderful, considering my skis were stolen.

congradulations if you managed to get all of that. give yourself a nice pat on the back.
 
very well said, I still think that Harper can pull it off, but its those damn French-fucks who vote liberal evertime in the east and it never changes

Canada needs a change
 
they vote liberal because it works. Canada is like the only industrialized nation with a surplus (i could be wrong...but we are one of the few)and it's mainly to do with how martin has managed the country both as finance minuster and as pm.

As for the previous comment...even if the liberals gain another minority govt, the opposition wouldnt dare bring it down again. All that would serve would having them lose their foothold and making it a liberal majority. There isnt much of a dispute that the current structure is good for the country. We live in a fucking fantastic country, one that is making major strides to bring us to the forefront of the world market even though we are a relatively small population base.

Like i said before, the last thing we need is to get stuck witha socially regressive govt that is governed by the fucking church and stalls any sort of forward thinking. I even support the thought of an NDP minority because at least they are progressive enough to not stall our country. Even though layton has lost a lot of his clout in my eyes by abandoning the NDP's closest ally and siding with the devil.

I promise that the cdn populace is extremely pissed off at the notion of having campaigners at their door during the holidays, and most realize that the current liberals are doing a very good job and are only being brought down because of pc gladhanding and not because of any real political reason.

The 13 yr red reign will not end, and i will sure as hell be supporting them come jan 23rd.
 
I hate it when people base their entire voting decision on their money and taxes. Like if you vote right, You'll get more money. Biggest load of fucken shit.theres much bigger issues than "your" money.Fuck.
 
That was a very well thought out and educated statement right there you douche.

If Harper gets in, the country isn't gonna go to shit, but it most certainly will go down a few notches. It is true, the Liberal government is corrupt, but so is every other government. I think the only 100% honest party, or close to being so, is the Marijuana Party.

I'm gonna be voting Liberal (unless something big is dug up) just because i think it's the least of all the evils we got going right now.
 
Ok, lets look at a few things here first.

1) Do not compare the Canadian conservatives to the Republicans.

2) Quit thinking that only Liberal thinking is forward thinking. That right there in itself it terribly hypocritical. Isn't one of the main basis of Liberalism to be more open about other ideas?

3) Yeti- didnt you just move to Calgary/Alberta? Get ready for a suprise. Also happens to be the richest part of Canada. Oh but money doesnt matter right? True enough, its good to look out for the rest of the world, but in a recent survey it was shown that Albertans are on the top of the list for personal donations. You got to help your self before you help others.

4) Lagwagon, your thinking is so unbelievably forward that argueing with you is basically impossible because you are too forward for, well most, thus causing a somewhat backward effect. Its almost like when real hot water almost feels cold. What degree do you have again? If I remember right, you don't even live in Canada and thus, have no idea what is going on here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Now that being said, I'm going with Veteran. Vote anything but Liberal. I really just want to see change. Obviously, if you haven't figured it out yet, I would prefer Conservative. It absolutely astounds me that people can sit there and in all honesty say that the Liberals have done a good job. While they may not have done a completely horrible one, it is far from good. What part of the situation where they literally stole money to you is good? I for one, fail to see that.

Furthermore, somewhere up there it was mentioned that Canada should remain "forward" thinking like Europe. While I can agree with at least some of that, anything to do with economy and modelling after Europe is a bad idea. Germany, for one, is ever so slowly going down the shitter. Socialism, while sounding really good, and as most of you should know, only works on paper. People get lazy. Beautifully exemplified in the aforementioned country.

I did say though that any vote for any one is better than a Liberal vote, and it might sound hypocritical after reading my previous statement, when I still say that an NDP vote is better. The thing Canada really needs is change. It doesn't really matter what government it is, but after 13 years it is usually time, especially in this case. Thus, as said above you could go for NDP or Green or Marijuana and go super social. If you like that, thats good too, but if you want a country that can keep itself economically fit, then it appears as if you have to vote for the "Devil" himself Harper.

However, this whole rant is most likely for nothing because Ontario has decided what to vote for, well 13 yrs ago. Hmm, hasn't it as of late been labelled as a "Have not" province.
 
I eoulf judt likr yo point out that the last time the conservatie part ywas in power, there was a huge scandal and THEY stole money. Or do you all seem to forget Mr. Mulrooney(sp?). I trust my money more to people who care less about money than the money-mongering conservatives. Conservatives are greedy, there are no two-ways about it, as a result, I don't trust the people running a conservative government to not steal money AGAIN.

I am making a big deal about this money loss thing, but really, for me, that is a minor issue in the next election for me. My biggest worry is our healthcare system going down the shitter. Next time I brake a bone skiing, I would like to know that it won't put me out a couple thousand.

I also like how free thinking a country Canada is. Let Gays marry. Don't make national security such a priority that it is rediculous. Canada doesn't need a huge army.
 
^ how is that any different than the liberals sponsorship scandal... You are willing to forgive the liberal party for their scandal/money issue but still try to hold it over the heads of the convservative party, doesn't make sense.

Also I agree with sims, that the Canadian Conservative party is not equal to the Republican party in the states
 
All of you that keep comparing todays Conservatives to the "Progressive Conservative Party" of Mulroney are wrong. The "Conservative Party" is just a name. It is mainly made up of the former Canadian Alliance. Yes some of the old Tory party was amalgamated as well, but very little, as they were extremely weak.

Secondly, everyone thinks that as soon as a Conservative Minority gets in power, all of our wonderfull social programs, and our socially "forward" progress is going to be stopped, or go backwards. Listen up you fucks, a minority is just that. A MINORITY. There is no way that the NDP, Liberals and Bloc are going to support reversing the social progress we've made. Ok, maybe the gay marriage thing, who knows what the Bloc will do. But I personally don't see that happening. And I'll tell you why. Not because Harper isn't religious and is personally against, because hes smarter than that. His popularity would absolutely plummet in almost all parts of the country.

You have to realize that a minority government can be a good thing and can work. The Conservatives will continue the economic progress we've made, and won't be corrupt fucks. The NDP will likely gain some seats, thus the government will also have its softer social side.

We need a change. We need to be open to new things. How about a Triple-E senate? There is no way we'd have a chance with that under the Liberal government. I know our Military is a touchy issues, but are you idiots aware that Canada, the country that invented Peacekeeping, now ranks 29th in the World as far as Peacekeeping contributions? I'm sure all of you would love to help, but our Military is so poorly equiped, we can't do anything about it. We have to rent planes for fuck sakes to tranport any equipment (PS the new planes the Liberals announced are just long-overdue replacements for light/medium lift capabilities).

And Healthcare. Good ol' Universal Healthcare. We spend more on our Health Care system than many other first-world nations and have far inferior service. All of Scandinavia, France and Japan spend less and have better service than us, and thats only naming a few. Also Canada is one of 3 countries that bans (technically, but Quebec has sort of changed that) the option of paying for additional service. The other 2 countries are Cuba and North Korea. See a pattern?

Yes, Canada is doing alright. We run budget surplusses. We have a so-so Universal Health Care system. But we could be doing so much better. Thats not going to happen under a stagnant, comfortable, corrupt Liberal Party. Vote for a change. We need it.
 
I never said I was holding the conservative scandal over their heads. I was tryign to make the point that both parties have had issues with money IN THE PAST. Like someone else said, you can't hold past government, even if they were fro mthe same party, THAT accountable for the past governments actions. I look more to what the party I am goign to vote for has planned for the future.

Someone else also stated that Japan, scandinavia, etc. also have superior healthcare with less cost. Look at the North American way of living. If you want to blame someone for our "lesser healthcare system", blame mcdonalds and video games. Also, I don't believe cutting public funding for youth and child athletic program developement, as the conservative party wants, is goign to help all that much.
 
I'm voting liberal in a contentious riding... and Reynolds isn't running this time around, so Veteran, looks like your vote is nullified by mine and your MP might lose anyway. Might as well not show up.

I personally think that the sponsorship scandal has been massively overhyped and even had Martin been given the blame (which he wasn't) it wouldn't have been enough to convince me that the liberals are so corrupt as not to be a much better option than that nutbar Harper and Layton, who I'm becoming more and more convinced is utterly insane. It would take a hell of a lot for me to vote for anyone but the liberals.
 
You didn't make that word up. I have this poster on my wall.

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Unfortunately in our system you have to Vote for the party you'd like to win, regardless of the merit of the MP (or potential MP) running. So it doesn't matter if Reynolds is running or not, I'm voting conservative.

Although you are right JD, it might not make a difference seeing as West Van-Sunshine Coast is the biggest riding in Canada as well as the most economically diverse. Reynolds barely squeeked out a win last time. Its too big and represents two very different demographics, it should be split up. But me complaining about getting

representation by population under our current government isn't going to get me anywhere.
 
I'm actually more interested in how it turns out than hoping it turns out a certain way in this riding, just because Reynolds was a big name who barely got by (they had pronounced his defeat on CBC last time) and he isn't running this time... should be another close call.
 
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