Dr.Dealgood
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Change is slow.
And sometimes I wonder if these threads on NS decelerate change...
And sometimes I wonder if these threads on NS decelerate change...
Can we talk about misogyny and male entitlement?
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987321654hgfd
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13008641:TheGreenBastard said:
Women cannot currently be in a combat MOS (job) in the United States military. They're trying to change that right now but I personally believe it's a bad idea.
Lé.Skiing
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13008618:AT-AT said:
The problem with this is that it works in theory. The theory being that if everyone stops making references to it or bringing it up in conversation. There will always be that one guy who won't listen and people are like sheep. People need to acknowledge that there are different people and not judge them based on those differences.
(if you're not religious ignore the references to god instead just listen to his main points)
Dr.Dealgood
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@Cummings (quote is not working for me right now)
Binarism is pretty universally agreed as BAD way to understand/analyze/critique or advance any shifts in gender issues. (Or pretty much anything for that matter, the whole idea began to fall out of use about a decade ago.) It predicates a world couched in really rudimentary gender relations, which, while possible to find instances there of, woefully fail to accurately characterize anything.
Secondly, reductionism is always a good tool to use in instances like this. With it's lovely partner deduction, they are like the Hansel and Gretel of shredding shitty ideas.
Binarism is pretty universally agreed as BAD way to understand/analyze/critique or advance any shifts in gender issues. (Or pretty much anything for that matter, the whole idea began to fall out of use about a decade ago.) It predicates a world couched in really rudimentary gender relations, which, while possible to find instances there of, woefully fail to accurately characterize anything.
Secondly, reductionism is always a good tool to use in instances like this. With it's lovely partner deduction, they are like the Hansel and Gretel of shredding shitty ideas.
TheGreenBastard
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13008645:Dr.Dealgood said:
Of fucking course they do, for a dude like Cummings to sit on here for three hours addressing every fucking comment like hes the moral fucking compass, MOTHER FUCKER, I'd wager there have been at least a few women killed in the world TODAY because of the shit your bitching about, this whole thing being a hot topic because of another internet savvy(however unimaginably more evil) kid thinks they've got it figured out and is going to make a difference, the fucking difference is made every day, you go out in the REAL world and treat women like equals, and unfair enough, old rich douchebags will probly perpetuate the "glass ceiling" forever, but you choose your quest, whining and bitching about shit is meak and theres no strength in that, we empower each other with respect and appreciation, pointing fingers at shit thats ugly accomplishes absolutely DICK
it's that old action speaks louder than words thing, and words on the NSG are fuckin hella quiet dog, but if it makes you feel better about yourself, keep poundin the drum for the ladies, theyre all cheerin you on bro
*TURBONERD*
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13008644:-emile- said:
No. I don't use the word bitch, although I do slip on occasion, but particularly with trolls I'll call people out for using it.
13008645:Dr.Dealgood said:
I really hope not, but this certainly isn't the reaction I'd hoped for.
13008651:Lucas said:
http://www.economist.com/news/busin...stplaces-be-working-woman-glass-ceiling-index13008654:zzzskizzz said:
13008666:yoski. said:
Stop trolling. Using "bitch" emasculates males by trying to enforce a narrowly defined and inherently reductionist version of masculinity, and you know it.
987321654hgfd
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13008678:*CUMMINGS* said:
Oh come on. These campaigns to eliminate certain offensive words always fail. Bitch is a great word and majority of people are never going to stop using it.
*TURBONERD*
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13008670:Dr.Dealgood said:
You're probably right. My expertise in Gender and Sexuality studies is fairly minimal, if I'm being honest, but the wide majority of what I've been involved in has been based off binarism as a critiquing method. Are you advocating for reductionism instead of using binarism?
13008674:TheGreenBastard said:
You do not know me. You do not know how I live my life. I'm an ally, albeit not the most active one I know, and I do treat women as equals. Criticize me all you like, but at least be accurate in doing so.
Randy_Quench
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honestly, I think that if people would take a step off their high horse and stop being offended by every action made in the world today then we would solve some of these problems.
inb4 im a misogynist/monster/noob
inb4 im a misogynist/monster/noob
Phil-X-
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13008647:Cirillo said:
People think the whole "Women shouldn't have combat roles" is some sort of oppressive thing... female hygiene is near impossible to maintain when youre out in the field for ~1 month. Not to mention the hormone swing that occurs monthly.
also... although we may be country where womens rights are practiced and rape is considered the most heinous crime... what do you think a group of extreme devout Muslims or African war fighters would do to a captured Caucasian female who practices christianity...
They'll stone a women for showing her ankle... they'll rape a 12 year old because they purchased them as a wife... they'll hang a pregnant women because shes christian... now imagine an enemy female combatant being captured..
*TURBONERD*
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13008688:Cirillo said:
You might be right, but there are definitely examples of words that have seen substantial decrease in usage as a result of such campaigns. Racial slurs come easily to mind.
13008690:zzzskizzz said:
Forcing women to be the main source of child rearing is what a major cause of this, and it's something that isn't morally just to me.
13008691:yangumane said:
Please, elaborate.
Dr.Dealgood
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13008692:*CUMMINGS* said:
From an epistemological point of view, binaries were a philosophical tool employed quite frequently during the structuralist period, think people like Jacques Derrida.
The whole framework was useful and still is to sketch out ideas, but as a governing mechanism for serious thought it fails pretty deplorably.
It fell out of favor as philosophy "got smarter" and adapted to post-structuralism. Post-structuralism is no longer as big as it once was.
Basically, Cummings, here's the way to look at binaries in regards to gender. We have a problem right -- equality. We have two primary gender binaries. Now to do a good job we have to epistemologically investigate these two binaries and assume strong oppositionality. We must study those entities in depth to realize their identities, manifestations, and mechanics. This is fine for surface work, but when it "hits the ground" it cannot do much in the way of intervention because of the way it operates. It can't fix the problem because it's understanding relies on opposition, which it is ironically trying to remedy. After that we move into deconstructionism.
That's long winded and I hope you got something out of it. aka I hope I conveyed something useful.
I'm advocating for both reductionism of the issues at hand (paring down and getting rid of the fluff/crap in the way, and deducing what is left and how it can be used to advance change. That's essentially deconstruction, which is a tool.
Gender binarism is still used because it's easy and follows very recognizable lines in our every day society. But when issues are pushed further it's not as useful. Personally? My views? We are all big gelatinous sacks of carbon held up my skeletal structures endowed with a whirring electrical blob controlling our abilities to percieve and intervene in the world. Most important is our continued survival and the development of societal systems most conducive to both survival and understanding of the world we inhabit. Thinking that we're really different because of anatomy and our troubled social history and whining about it in general isn't useful at all.
Bombogenesis
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I feel like guys secretly get really into women's rights and say things like "no means no and most of us guys don't understand" just to get in girls pants.
It's hilarious irony.
It's hilarious irony.
Bodhisattva_
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13008516:DeebieSkeebies said:
13008520:-emile- said:
We had drunken consentual sex ... hmmmm kinda regret it.
HE RAPED ME !!! HE RAPED ME !!!!
13008541:-emile- said:
Prime delivery.
Also, ya fuck that drunk rape shit. I had very drunken, but consentual, sex with a girl and she claimed the next week when her boyfriend found out we got down that I fucking raped her... Too bad her boyfriend found out because her friends were watching her mack on me the whole time we were getting drunk like making out and sitting on my lap and shit in front of everyone and then we retired to her car for the night and had sex. Fucking bullshit he tried to tell me they were going to go to the cops and I was like 16 at the time and shitting bricks I was so scared I was gonna get an indictment letter in the mail for rape.
207
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I'm by no means a mysogynist and I don't believe that women are at all to blame for the UCSB killings, and I don't believe that that kid was at all rationale and I think the reason he couldn't get laid was because he was a weirdo not because girls are huge sluts that were out to get him. That being said, I believe that feminists and those chanting for "equal rights" for the most part, are actually looking for women to be superior to men. All of the time I get into this argument with women at my school (I go to a very socially conscious and discussion oriented school where kids are very much into intellectual debate) and every single female who immediately cries patriarchy or says that men are entitled in the end just wants female superiority. For example, this one girl and I kept discussing female rights and she cited women being able to go to the front lines in battles in the US Military as a step in the right direction for gender equality. I then asked her how she felt that men must register for the draft, yet females don't have to and she said that she's glad and that females shouldn't have to. That viewpoint is indisputably striving for females to enjoy rights that are not equal but SUPERIOR to man and makes me question and oftentimes dismiss feminism as a positive thing because it searches for women to pass men on the social ladder, not be at the same level as men which I think they ought to be.
TLDR; The vast majority of feminists and those championing womens' rights are huge hypocrites and want women to enjoy equal rights, yet see no problem with women not having to register for the military draft, automatically assuming custody of a child in a custody dispute, and being the sole decider in an abortion....
TLDR; The vast majority of feminists and those championing womens' rights are huge hypocrites and want women to enjoy equal rights, yet see no problem with women not having to register for the military draft, automatically assuming custody of a child in a custody dispute, and being the sole decider in an abortion....
*TURBONERD*
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13008720:Dr.Dealgood said:
Thanks for schooling me a bit; you did clarify things. Thanks for being relatively kind. This is actually motivating me to take some philosophy and logic courses to delve into this more.
13008741:207 said:
Your example is absolutely a terrible example of feminism in that it doesn't advocate for equality. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but you are still in high school, right? The WGSS majors I'm close to would be laughed at for saying things like that.
squashmosh
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13008735:Thizzle. said:
The lines are definitely blurry here. The politics of consent are a complicated issue for both men and women. Often times when we consider what "choice" means I think we have to include an understanding of what some call "compulsory choice", a really simple metaphor to describe this is a having a shitty job. You need money to survive, and our culture reinforces that we should be productive members of society, therefore we go to work everyday even when we don't exactly want to. Of course you could choose not to but to make that choice is difficult when cultural factors upstream are pushing you towards that choice. This is of course a simplistic metaphor and sexuality is so much more complicated, but I know that a lot of women AND men, especially at a younger age, do a lot of things they aren't sure about because they feel like they HAVE to. That doesn't mean that the next day they should go say they were raped, but it does seriously poke some holes into a black and white discussion of "consent".
Alcohol always convolutes issues of sexuality for both men and women. Clearly you got into a shitty situation, but it's not like you were faultless. Both to practice a deeper sense of morality and to practically protect yourself from what eventually happened to you it would have been wiser to stay away from a girl with a boyfriend (even if she was coming on to you, you had a choice didn't you?), and also to avoid hooking up with this girl the first time when she was drunk.
Drunk sex is great when it's with your partner or a fuck-buddy that you have already developed a relationship with that is based on consensual decisions made in a sober situation. In short, hooking up with a girl with a boyfriend for the first time when she was drunk was neither morally or legally wise to do.
13008741:207 said:
You've made a huge jump here from the few "feminists" that you've talked to at your college to "the vast majority of feminists and those championing women's right". Be careful of generalizing based on anecdotal impressions that a few undergraduates have made. In my experience the actual experts on gender/sexuality (I'm talking about people with PhD's who have published a great deal of work in this body of literature) are pretty intelligent and it sounds like the people you are talking bout have loosely/prematurely formed opinions on the subject.
In general I suggest anyone to check out any of Judith Butler's or Susan Bordo's work to see how the women who are actually experts on these subjects weigh in. Neither of them are out to get men or somehow exculpate women from the role they play in reinforcing problematic gender politics. Feminism has more to do with dismantling power structures than gender.
13008539:butterslut. said:
When trying to get a job you need to dress for the job you're trying to get.
Manual labor?
Try this
squashmosh
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13008720:Dr.Dealgood said:
You are using a lot of ten-cent words here, but your use of various concepts of critical theory/semiotics is pretty confused and in some cases just wrong.
First of all, I would polish your understanding of "epistemology", you've used that word pretty clumsily in two sentences.
Derrida, although he really didn't identify as anything, was definitely not a structuralist, his mission was to deconstruct controlling dichotomies/binaries in dominant discourses. If anything he was closer to a post-structuarlist. Interestingly you discuss deconstruction as a tool later in your statement, after linking Derrida to structuralism.
You've referred to gender binarism as a tool, one which is outdated. Gender binarism is not an investigative tool for critical theorists, it is rather a target. Post-modern critical theory, especially feminism, seeks to explode and problematize gender binaries, not use them as methods of understanding, but show how they are problematic and contain power relationships. Gender binarism is not "used", it is attacked.
Reductionism is not the same as deconstruction. Deconstruction seeks to point out the contradiction and dysfunction in a linguistic system or a text. Reductionism seeks to show the absolute truth behind something by breaking it up into its essential parts. Deconstruction seeks to show there is no such thing as absolute truth.
act.resist
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13008853:theabortionator said:When trying to get a job you need to dress for the job you're trying to get.
Manual labor?
Try this
i should actually do that though
Charlie_Kelly
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If women want to be treated equally maybe they should all get sex changes.
Dr.Dealgood
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13008906:squashmosh said:
Thank you for the clarification/refinement/correction.
Charlie_Kelly
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13008906:squashmosh said:
blah blah blah. Just post some titties.
*TURBONERD*
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@squashmosh's first post (quoting isn't working)
The job is a great metaphor. I think it's important to note that previous consent doesn't imply future consent, though. I'll have to look into those works
I go to Colby and there are some misinformed individuals that still manage to surprise me. To others, I may well fall into that category. It's not impossible to be quite intelligent but not socially progressive or aware.
The job is a great metaphor. I think it's important to note that previous consent doesn't imply future consent, though. I'll have to look into those works
13008849:207 said:
I go to Colby and there are some misinformed individuals that still manage to surprise me. To others, I may well fall into that category. It's not impossible to be quite intelligent but not socially progressive or aware.
cobra_commander
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While there are obviously exceptions and outliers generally the following is true, despite how much people pretend otherwise:
1. Men are more physically capable and durable. Women are unable to compete in male sports, and no one really cares about most women leagues.
2. Women are less emotionally stable and less able to make objective decisions and remove their emotional attachment to the decision.
3. Women are better at multitasking than men.
4. Women are better at setting their ego aside in the interest of getting the best result.
5. The glass ceiling is more myth than reality at this point. Women get paid less because they are less apt than men to choose to study technical fields that pay well. They are also generally less physically inclined or capable to take the high paying trades that don't require a college degree.
6. Feminists are largely all butt hurt cunts.
1. Men are more physically capable and durable. Women are unable to compete in male sports, and no one really cares about most women leagues.
2. Women are less emotionally stable and less able to make objective decisions and remove their emotional attachment to the decision.
3. Women are better at multitasking than men.
4. Women are better at setting their ego aside in the interest of getting the best result.
5. The glass ceiling is more myth than reality at this point. Women get paid less because they are less apt than men to choose to study technical fields that pay well. They are also generally less physically inclined or capable to take the high paying trades that don't require a college degree.
6. Feminists are largely all butt hurt cunts.
VT_FLO
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I love the women that complain about equality, then bitch at me when I say men deserve paternity leave if you want equal pay at work. Then the feminazis say this "WHAT? THE WOMAN DOES ALL THE WORK AND PUSHES OUT THE BABY!! MEN DONT NEED PATERNITY LEAVE!!!"
As if men don't deserve time with their newborns.
As if men don't deserve time with their newborns.
Petey.
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13008539:butterslut. said:
Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. But at the end of the day, the employer is going to view your average male as more valuable than you when the job calls for manual labor. It's not going to matter what you're willing to do, it's going to be what you're actually capable of doing.
Overall I would say that the fucking turbo-fems in this country need to get bent. Most of them are white, middle-class American citizens. Why the fuck are you complaining about your lives as though it's more important than any of the complaints that other people have about their own?
VT_FLO
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in-college-degrees/
WASHINGTON - For the first time, American women have passed men in gaining advanced college degrees as well as bachelor's degrees, part of a trend that is helping redefine who goes off to work and who stays home with the kids.
Census figures released Tuesday highlight the latest education milestone for women, who began to exceed men in college enrollment in the early 1980s. The findings come amid record shares of women in the workplace and a steady decline in stay-at-home mothers.
The educational gains for women are giving them greater access to a wider range of jobs, contributing to a shift of traditional gender roles at home and work. Based on one demographer's estimate, the number of stay-at-home dads who are the primary caregivers for their children reached nearly 2 million last year, or one in 15 fathers. The official census tally was 154,000, based on a narrower definition that excludes those working part-time or looking for jobs.
"The gaps we're seeing in bachelor's and advanced degrees mean that women will be better protected against the next recession," said Mark Perry, an economics professor at the University of Michigan-Flint who is a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank.
"Men now might be the ones more likely to be staying home, doing the more traditional child rearing," he said.
Among adults 25 and older, 10.6 million U.S. women have master's degrees or higher, compared to 10.5 million men. Measured by shares, about 10.2 percent of women have advanced degrees compared to 10.9 percent of men — a gap steadily narrowing in recent years. Women still trail men in professional subcategories such as business, science and engineering.
When it comes to finishing college, roughly 20.1 million women have bachelor's degrees, compared to nearly 18.7 million men — a gap of more than 1.4 million that has remained steady in recent years. Women first passed men in bachelor's degrees in 1996.
Some researchers including Perry have dubbed the current economic slump a "man-cession" because of the huge job losses in the male-dominated construction and manufacturing industries, which require less schooling. Measured by pay, women with full-time jobs now make 78.2 percent of what men earn, up from about 64 percent in 2000.
Unemployment for men currently stands at 9.3 percent compared to 8.3 percent for women, who now make up half of the U.S. work force. The number of stay-at-home moms, meanwhile, dropped last year for a fourth year in a row to 5 million, or roughly one in four married-couple households. That's down from nearly half of such households in 1969.
By the census' admittedly outmoded measure, the number of stay-at-home dads has remained largely flat in recent years, making up less than 1 percent of married-couple households.
Whatever the exact numbers, Census Bureau researchers have detailed a connection between women's educational attainment and declines in traditional stay-at-home parenting. For instance, they found that stay-at-home mothers today are more likely to be young, foreign-born Hispanics who lack college degrees than professional women who set aside careers for fulltime family life after giving birth.
"We're not saying the census definition of a `stay-at-home' parent is what reflects families today. We're simply tracking how many families fit that situation over time," said Rose Kreider, a family demographer at the Census Bureau. She said in an interview that the bureau's definition of a stay-at-home parent is based on a 1950s stereotype of a breadwinner-homemaker family that wasn't necessarily predominant then and isn't now.
Beth Latshaw, an assistant professor of sociology at Appalachian State University in Boone, N.C., notes the figures are based on a narrow definition in which the wife must be in the labor force for the entire year and the husband be outside the official labor force for the specifically cited reason of "taking care of home and family."
Her own survey found that many fathers who had primary child-care responsibility at home while working part-time or pursuing a degree viewed themselves as stay-at-home fathers. When those factors are included as well as unmarried and single dads, the share of fathers who stay at home to raise children jumps from less than 1 percent to more than 6 percent.
Put another way, roughly one of every five stay-at-home parents is a father.
The remaining share of households without stay-at-home parents — the majority of U.S. families — are cases where both parents work full-time while their children attend school or day care or are watched by nannies or grandparents, or where fathers work full-time while the mothers work part-time and care for children part-time.
"There's still a pervasive belief that men can't care for children as well as women can, reinforcing the father-as-breadwinner ideology," said Latshaw, whose research is being published next month in the peer-reviewed journal "Fathering." She is urging census to expand its definition to highlight the growing numbers, which she believes will encourage wider use of paternity leave and other family-friendly policies.
The new "Mr. Moms" include Todd Krater, 38, of Lakemoor, Ill., a Chicago suburb. Krater has been a self-described stay-at-home dad for the past seven years to his three sons after his wife, who earned a master's business degree, began to flourish in her career as a software specialist.
Krater said he found it difficult adjusting at first and got little support from other mothers who treated him as an outcast at school functions. He eventually started writing a blog, "A Man Among Mommies," to encourage other fathers to take a larger role in child care and says he now revels in seeing more dads at the park, library and school events.
"What was once an uncommon sight of a dad with the kids during the day is becoming more and more prevalent," said Krater, who is now studying part-time to become a registered nurse. "But many still feel the pressure of gender roles and feel if they don't make money they are somehow less of a man."
The census numbers come from the government's Current Population Survey as of March 2010. Among other findings:
Among adults 25 and older, women are more likely than men to have finished high school, 87.6 percent to 86.6 percent.
Broken down by race and ethnicity, 52 percent of Asian-Americans had at least a bachelor's degree. That's compared to 33 percent for non-Hispanic whites, 20 percent for blacks and 14 percent for Hispanics.
Thirty percent of foreign-born residents in the U.S. had less than a high school diploma, compared to 10 percent of U.S.-born residents and 19 percent of naturalized citizens. At the same time, the foreign-born population was just as likely as U.S.-born residents to have at least a bachelor's degree, at roughly 30 percent.
Jeremy Adam Smith, author of the 2009 book "The Daddy Shift: How Stay-at-Home Dads, Breadwinning Moms and Shared Parenting are Transforming the American Family," described a cultural shift as women began to surpass men in college enrollment in the 1980s. The 1983 movie, "Mr. Mom," openly broached the idea that out-of-work fathers can contribute to families as stay-at-home dads, allowing more men to be accepting of the role in subsequent recessions, he said.
"Over the long term, the numbers are just going to keep going up," Smith said.
WASHINGTON - For the first time, American women have passed men in gaining advanced college degrees as well as bachelor's degrees, part of a trend that is helping redefine who goes off to work and who stays home with the kids.
Census figures released Tuesday highlight the latest education milestone for women, who began to exceed men in college enrollment in the early 1980s. The findings come amid record shares of women in the workplace and a steady decline in stay-at-home mothers.
The educational gains for women are giving them greater access to a wider range of jobs, contributing to a shift of traditional gender roles at home and work. Based on one demographer's estimate, the number of stay-at-home dads who are the primary caregivers for their children reached nearly 2 million last year, or one in 15 fathers. The official census tally was 154,000, based on a narrower definition that excludes those working part-time or looking for jobs.
"The gaps we're seeing in bachelor's and advanced degrees mean that women will be better protected against the next recession," said Mark Perry, an economics professor at the University of Michigan-Flint who is a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank.
"Men now might be the ones more likely to be staying home, doing the more traditional child rearing," he said.
Among adults 25 and older, 10.6 million U.S. women have master's degrees or higher, compared to 10.5 million men. Measured by shares, about 10.2 percent of women have advanced degrees compared to 10.9 percent of men — a gap steadily narrowing in recent years. Women still trail men in professional subcategories such as business, science and engineering.
When it comes to finishing college, roughly 20.1 million women have bachelor's degrees, compared to nearly 18.7 million men — a gap of more than 1.4 million that has remained steady in recent years. Women first passed men in bachelor's degrees in 1996.
Some researchers including Perry have dubbed the current economic slump a "man-cession" because of the huge job losses in the male-dominated construction and manufacturing industries, which require less schooling. Measured by pay, women with full-time jobs now make 78.2 percent of what men earn, up from about 64 percent in 2000.
Unemployment for men currently stands at 9.3 percent compared to 8.3 percent for women, who now make up half of the U.S. work force. The number of stay-at-home moms, meanwhile, dropped last year for a fourth year in a row to 5 million, or roughly one in four married-couple households. That's down from nearly half of such households in 1969.
By the census' admittedly outmoded measure, the number of stay-at-home dads has remained largely flat in recent years, making up less than 1 percent of married-couple households.
Whatever the exact numbers, Census Bureau researchers have detailed a connection between women's educational attainment and declines in traditional stay-at-home parenting. For instance, they found that stay-at-home mothers today are more likely to be young, foreign-born Hispanics who lack college degrees than professional women who set aside careers for fulltime family life after giving birth.
"We're not saying the census definition of a `stay-at-home' parent is what reflects families today. We're simply tracking how many families fit that situation over time," said Rose Kreider, a family demographer at the Census Bureau. She said in an interview that the bureau's definition of a stay-at-home parent is based on a 1950s stereotype of a breadwinner-homemaker family that wasn't necessarily predominant then and isn't now.
Beth Latshaw, an assistant professor of sociology at Appalachian State University in Boone, N.C., notes the figures are based on a narrow definition in which the wife must be in the labor force for the entire year and the husband be outside the official labor force for the specifically cited reason of "taking care of home and family."
Her own survey found that many fathers who had primary child-care responsibility at home while working part-time or pursuing a degree viewed themselves as stay-at-home fathers. When those factors are included as well as unmarried and single dads, the share of fathers who stay at home to raise children jumps from less than 1 percent to more than 6 percent.
Put another way, roughly one of every five stay-at-home parents is a father.
The remaining share of households without stay-at-home parents — the majority of U.S. families — are cases where both parents work full-time while their children attend school or day care or are watched by nannies or grandparents, or where fathers work full-time while the mothers work part-time and care for children part-time.
"There's still a pervasive belief that men can't care for children as well as women can, reinforcing the father-as-breadwinner ideology," said Latshaw, whose research is being published next month in the peer-reviewed journal "Fathering." She is urging census to expand its definition to highlight the growing numbers, which she believes will encourage wider use of paternity leave and other family-friendly policies.
The new "Mr. Moms" include Todd Krater, 38, of Lakemoor, Ill., a Chicago suburb. Krater has been a self-described stay-at-home dad for the past seven years to his three sons after his wife, who earned a master's business degree, began to flourish in her career as a software specialist.
Krater said he found it difficult adjusting at first and got little support from other mothers who treated him as an outcast at school functions. He eventually started writing a blog, "A Man Among Mommies," to encourage other fathers to take a larger role in child care and says he now revels in seeing more dads at the park, library and school events.
"What was once an uncommon sight of a dad with the kids during the day is becoming more and more prevalent," said Krater, who is now studying part-time to become a registered nurse. "But many still feel the pressure of gender roles and feel if they don't make money they are somehow less of a man."
The census numbers come from the government's Current Population Survey as of March 2010. Among other findings:
Among adults 25 and older, women are more likely than men to have finished high school, 87.6 percent to 86.6 percent.
Broken down by race and ethnicity, 52 percent of Asian-Americans had at least a bachelor's degree. That's compared to 33 percent for non-Hispanic whites, 20 percent for blacks and 14 percent for Hispanics.
Thirty percent of foreign-born residents in the U.S. had less than a high school diploma, compared to 10 percent of U.S.-born residents and 19 percent of naturalized citizens. At the same time, the foreign-born population was just as likely as U.S.-born residents to have at least a bachelor's degree, at roughly 30 percent.
Jeremy Adam Smith, author of the 2009 book "The Daddy Shift: How Stay-at-Home Dads, Breadwinning Moms and Shared Parenting are Transforming the American Family," described a cultural shift as women began to surpass men in college enrollment in the 1980s. The 1983 movie, "Mr. Mom," openly broached the idea that out-of-work fathers can contribute to families as stay-at-home dads, allowing more men to be accepting of the role in subsequent recessions, he said.
"Over the long term, the numbers are just going to keep going up," Smith said.
acualywasdolan
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13008520:-emile- said:
We had drunken consentual sex ... hmmmm kinda regret it.
HE RAPED ME !!! HE RAPED ME !!!!
Boom. End thread/
VT_FLO
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Lets talk more about male entitlement and the misogyny that puts women starting their professional lives at a disadvantage. Oh wait, male students are being left behind?
"Boys being left behind as university gender gap widens
The number of girls seeking a university place this year is more than a third larger than that of boys, who university chiefs say are becoming “a disadvantaged group”"
"With the shift from factory jobs, unskilled workers of all races have lost ground, but none more so than blacks. By 2004, 50 percent of black men in their 20's who lacked a college education were jobless, as were 72 percent of high school dropouts, according to data compiled by Bruce Western, a sociologist at Princeton and author of the forthcoming book "Punishment and Inequality in America" (Russell Sage Press). These are more than double the rates for white and Hispanic men."
WOW those Male scum are so entitled. What a glass ceiling women have, its like there's so much discrimination against them. Its actually the worst time to be a white or especially black male seeking a higher education or a better life.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2012/02/16/the-male-female-ratio-in-college/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...t-behind-as-university-gender-gap-widens.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/20/national/20blackmen.html?pagewanted=all
"Boys being left behind as university gender gap widens
The number of girls seeking a university place this year is more than a third larger than that of boys, who university chiefs say are becoming “a disadvantaged group”"
"With the shift from factory jobs, unskilled workers of all races have lost ground, but none more so than blacks. By 2004, 50 percent of black men in their 20's who lacked a college education were jobless, as were 72 percent of high school dropouts, according to data compiled by Bruce Western, a sociologist at Princeton and author of the forthcoming book "Punishment and Inequality in America" (Russell Sage Press). These are more than double the rates for white and Hispanic men."
WOW those Male scum are so entitled. What a glass ceiling women have, its like there's so much discrimination against them. Its actually the worst time to be a white or especially black male seeking a higher education or a better life.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2012/02/16/the-male-female-ratio-in-college/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...t-behind-as-university-gender-gap-widens.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/20/national/20blackmen.html?pagewanted=all
acualywasdolan
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13008548:TheSeaCaptain said:
you must be astonishingly ugly. Plenty of guys are just as attractive to girls eyes as girls are to guys eyes.
Watch american psycho. Its likely that millions of girls have masturbated to that movie, sexist themes notwithstanding
acualywasdolan
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13008629:*CUMMINGS* said:
Racial inequality in america, and the rest of the world for that matter, are at least partly explained by group iq differences, making some level of inequality inextricable in a fair society.
Back on point, men are objectified by women just as much as the other way around. The difference is, men make most of the money, so women look past looks, penis size etc. more often