California weighs college aid for illegal migrants

Wait a minute. Mexicans get to pay in-state tuition because they came to California illegally. Yet if I were to go to a UC school, I'd have to pay out-of-state tuition?

That doesn't make sense. California is rewarding illegals for being illegal.
 
I have yet to find logic in it. I've tried to validate it but there is no reason to. As Cobra said, it's just the way too far left way of thinking. California is plagued by it.
 
Republicans want to impose strict and harsh penalties for illegals. They also want to station thousands of National Guard soldiers along the 3 border states.
 
Dude, did you read the link? I was just stating that a Republican penned the original bill so people don't continue blaming liberals alone for what is apparently a bipartisan bill. Also, it was part of the Obama administration's plan to put 1,200 National Guard soldiers on the border. Not everything is quite so black and white.
 
Not a bipartisan bill whatsoever, just more of the same from the of the PRC (People's Republic of California).

Also, 1,200 National Guard troops is nothing relative to the scope of the problem. If Obama wants to "create" some more jobs, the Border Patrol could definitely use some more men.
 
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Politicians aside I think you would be hard pressed to find a normal civilian who identifies as rep/ conservative and agrees with giving illegal immigrants a dime of our $. The idea of making illegals dependents is a democratic idea and democratic only. It's just a matter of increasing their dependent voting base.
 
That is the FEDERAL DREAM ACT you fucking idiot. The federal Dream Act grants visas to degree seeking illegal immigrants. Part 2 of the CALIFORNIA DREAM ACT, AB131, states that illegal immigrants will be eligible for public financial aid.

 
Illegal immigrants can't vote....

But I know what you meant, when they do become citizens and vote, they don't forget who paid for their two HDTV's and car...the taxpayers and the Democratic Party.
 
In many states you don't have to show id to vote and if you already have a fake SS# or legit ids that some acinine sanctuary state gave you voting is no problem.

That is like say illegal immigrants don't abuse/ misuse entitlement programs
 
And Democrats are notorious for "getting out" the illegal vote through voter registration programs that not only advise illegals on how to obtain documentation but also help them register for the party...
 
By no means do I support taking funds from students that should have it, but what this thread leaves out is that the students getting the aid have to have:1) attended at least 3 years of California highschool2) graduated from a California highschool3) become documented/ sign a thing saying they are going to begin the process of becoming legal. 4) they can only get the aid once all legal students have received theirs.
So it's not like 17 year old mexicans are crossing the border so they can go to college. It's families who have been here and an have been contributing. If you have graduated highschool and can get accepted into college, it is likely that your parents have done something right. They aren living on wages that are so small that they likely wouldn't be paying much in taxes anyway. I know this cause The years that I have made under $10k, I've paid about 1 - 3% in taxes and with the work to pay credit they likely would have actually come out with even more money had they paid taxes. But they do still pay property taxes and sales taxes and so forth. So really, these kids are coming from families that aren't any more of a drain than american families making next to nothing. But if the kids are smart enough to go to school, I'd rather have them go there than start robbing homes for cash. These kids are also way less likely to get pregnant and have LEGAL kids that would be an even bigger drain.
So I can see the positives to enacting this. A lot of students that have spent the greater portion of their lives will be able to get a higher education. At the same time legal students will have more competition. Legal students having more competition I am for and against. If kids are concerned about more competition, they should be trying harder. If they don't try hard enough, then maybe it's time for a CC.
Yes, this looks expensive now, but we wont know how expensive it is until students actually start paying off their loans and we see if there is a change in the amount being spent on the same demographic in the prison system and see if we have spent less money on illegals having children in the states and so forth. But of course, we can all be cynical and assume they wont pay them back, will all have babies that go to prison.
 
So, on top of the massive amounts of financial aid being handed out, we should hand out more?

UC's are just gonna start charging more for tuition due to budget cuts, and now if this passes, because even more money is being set aside for illegal immigrants. We are already $650 million dollars short of last years funding...so this bill will lock up another $40 million from the general fund that the UC's can't and won't get. So, UC tuition goes up, but low income illegal immigrant students will receive financial aid, which will not increase even though tuition increases. This in turn, will raise the number of illegal immigrant students dropping out during or after the freshman year, and that money will be 100% WASTED.

So, this money will be wasted. I'm not coming at this from a moral standpoint, but an economic one.

(I'd rather not have any more of my classes cut, since I'm a UC student.)
 
The UC system supports this in that only 80 current students in the entire system will be able to receive additional aid... after the students who are legal have received it.
Why not complain about the fact that your university president's salary is higher than the US presidents salary?
Why not complain that a new version of your bio book costs $200+.
The UC system is one of the least expensive systems in the US. I can't believe it has survived this long at how affordable it is.
It was cheaper for me to go to CPP out of state for 2 years and instate for 2.5 years than it was for me to attend the University of Minnesota which was a few miles from where I grew up.
God forbid tuition your tuition goes up $8 in addition to the usual inflation. so that someone who is working their ass off as hard as you can have the same opportunity. $8 a year now for what will hopefully be more money to the government and less assistance in the long run isn't so bad.
allowable aid is about 20k x 80 students = 1.6 million/ 187k students (approx number in UC system) = $8
The only problem with this bill is the IMMEDIATE cost.
 
I said in addition to what it already goes up. Maybe you just didn't read what I wrote.
Most schools in the US are going up that exact same amount. My thought process is, what's another $8 now for what will be helping others succeed.
Your opposing something that approximately 10 students at your school are going to benefit from.
 
You said "in additional to usual inflation." This is not usual inflation. Show me another state that plans to double tuition by the 2015-2016 school year.

I am not making a moral argument, yet you question my desire for others to succeed. In a state that needs to make budget cuts anywhere possible, I find it economically irresponsible to put an extra 80 students in college on tax payer money.

I thought I could maybe get to you by providing a source from a liberal newspaper, but apparently not.
 
Up to 6% inflation is normal. The rest of that is stipulation and budget cuts and so forth. Financial aid is not the reason that tuition goes up. Those 80 students will be given loans, maybe they will get 2k in grants or whatever, but the amount of interest that they pay on those loans will greatly outweigh the grant money they are given. I received around $4000 in grants. I will end up paying nearly $40,000 in interest on my loans.

Those 80 students will pay for their education the same way that I am.
 
And when tuition goes up, that loan's purcahsing power decreases...and the kid drops out. Money wasted, and if you think that loan will be paid back....ha.

Did you read the article? And there wouldn't be an article unveiling the UC Regents grand plan to maintain current rates of inflation.

ECONOMICALLY, YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE.

 
I think the high level of state subsidies and grant money for research might help keep it inexpensive. Especially the state subsidies part.

Just because it is inexpensive does not mean it is a good deal; as evidenced by the irrational and uniformed arguments you are making.
 
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