Caitlyn Jenner named "woman of the year"...
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Sno.
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oh and here's links:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/23/caitlyn-jenner-cant-be-woman-of-the-year/
http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.c...ino-gown-at-glamour-women-of-the-year-awards/
https://twitter.com/search?q=glamour+woman+of+the+year&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch
http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/23/caitlyn-jenner-cant-be-woman-of-the-year/
http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.c...ino-gown-at-glamour-women-of-the-year-awards/
https://twitter.com/search?q=glamour+woman+of+the+year&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch
No.Quarter
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What if we're all getting trolled by the greatest crossdresser of all time?
#stillasnakeinthosetrousers
#stillasnakeinthosetrousers
Abu_Hajaar
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Buckle up buckaroo
Named by who?
...and who gives a shit either way. Would you rather it be Kim Cardassian?
...and who gives a shit either way. Would you rather it be Kim Cardassian?
Toaster-Tony
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Why is this a huge deal? I can't remember who the woman of the year last year was. I also can't remember who the man of the year last was. I just really don't care who they pick for this shit, like how can you narrow it down to one person being the best of their gender in any given year? The whole thing just seems dumb. I can say with quite a bit of confidence though, that if literally anyone else would have been named no one would've even batted an eye.
Who even decides this shit anyway??
Who even decides this shit anyway??
13544595:TOAST. said:
Wait, you said Glamour is an important publication, and then you say it's a pointless title by a pointless magazine hahaha
...In any case, Glamour is not an important publication at all.
theBearJew
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Glamour Magazine being smart as fuck right now.... Lets go review the tape of their board room selecting Woman of the year.
"Okay everyone, right now nobody reads magazine, especially ours. Girls all over the country think it is shit and don't care what we write. We have to think of something that gets us relevant again... Any ideas?" - CEO
"Well our annual Woman of the Year award is coming up, we could pick an inspiring woman who has been in the public a lot lately. Someone who is already getting the attention of tons of the media" - Lowly employee.
"That's a great idea! Lets throw out some names." - CEO
"Hillary Clinton" - Chief Editor.
"Michelle Obama!!" - Writer
"Common.. nobody gives a shit about politics! We need popular women that are trending now!" - CEO
"Kim Kardashian... Maybe Kylie Jenner..?" - Random employee
...Random chatter among everyone...
"Alright, that's a start, I think were onto something." - CEO
"How about the new Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner." - Janitor
*Laughter all around the board room.*
"Okay everyone, right now nobody reads magazine, especially ours. Girls all over the country think it is shit and don't care what we write. We have to think of something that gets us relevant again... Any ideas?" - CEO
"Well our annual Woman of the Year award is coming up, we could pick an inspiring woman who has been in the public a lot lately. Someone who is already getting the attention of tons of the media" - Lowly employee.
"That's a great idea! Lets throw out some names." - CEO
"Hillary Clinton" - Chief Editor.
"Michelle Obama!!" - Writer
"Common.. nobody gives a shit about politics! We need popular women that are trending now!" - CEO
"Kim Kardashian... Maybe Kylie Jenner..?" - Random employee
...Random chatter among everyone...
"Alright, that's a start, I think were onto something." - CEO
"How about the new Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner." - Janitor
*Laughter all around the board room.*
ianrich511
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13544606:DingoSean said:
Sarcasm, can be hard to read.
AgitatedHiatus
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13544606:DingoSean said:
Pretty sure it sarcasm bud.............
pat_in_the_hat
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this is disgusting. the entire family needs to disappear. The woman of the year award should go to Kristen Griest and Shaye Haver. The first two woman US Army Rangers. But instead its a cross dresser. This is whats wrong with the media today
DanielPlainview
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ARRRGH OUR SOLDIERS !!
DJtearegas
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science suggest anyone who believes themselves to be a different gender is mentally ill
unfortunately further research into this theory won't receive funding thanks to PC retards
unfortunately further research into this theory won't receive funding thanks to PC retards
FapMasterFLEX
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who cares. But for jokes, has she been a woman for a full year? Is that a requirement?
Burgy
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I pay little attention to the whole Kardashian thing, and from what I have seen, i don't agree with Caitlyn Jenner winning the award. I believe that there were a lot of other women that would be better suitable to win the award.
however i do agree that she is a women and should deserve to be considered for the award. Just because someone was biologically a male or is still biologically a male, does not mean they are not a women. If you have always cognitively and conscientiously seen yourself as a women in your mind and have always that spiritually your are a women, then you should be considered a women. People are people and physical gender should not divide people from who they really are on the inside.
however i do agree that she is a women and should deserve to be considered for the award. Just because someone was biologically a male or is still biologically a male, does not mean they are not a women. If you have always cognitively and conscientiously seen yourself as a women in your mind and have always that spiritually your are a women, then you should be considered a women. People are people and physical gender should not divide people from who they really are on the inside.
FrenchFry
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Sure she should be eligible she's a woman. But like fuck she's the woman of year. Changing your sex doesn't help anyone else out haha. There are woman who give there lives and dedicate themselves to helping starving people around the world. That stupid Kardashian family can burn for all i care. They give back fucking nothing and don't contribute anything positive to the world.
13544685:no_steeze said:
Absolutely this, on both points. There are very few things I can imagine caring less about than what gender somebody else considers themselves. Why anyone would feel differently is beyond me.
And yeah, all the talk about how she looks good completely undermines what should be important here, which is how we think about and treat transgender people, and how hard it is to be transgender.
lgward
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13544834:safarisam said:
Couldn't agree more.
She's also a terrible icon for the transgender community, and unfairly winning all of these awards just because of her popularity doesn't help. It only causes more hate from those that have no other knowledge of trans people besides what they hear from the media.
Her entire attempt at raising awareness and acceptance just blew up in her face.
13545019:daxton said:
Yeah. A few of my Trans friends aren't stoked with her. They're glad she's making them visible- but at what cost? How is she more brave than my friend who slept on the streets because her family rejected her????
Being in such a public eye means having to act in a false way, and that doesn't do anything for true visibility. TBH Miley Cyrus and her "Happy Hippies" campaign does a better job raising awareness- if we're looking at a celebrity based platform.
13545054:safarisam said:
Well she isn't, obviously, and that's the problem. That Caitlyn Jenner coming out as trans doesn't really illuminate how many trans people are routinely denied jobs, housing, etc. and being otherwise abused everyday just for being trans, because these things aren't even on Jenner's radar as far as things to worry about. People see Jenner come out as trans and feel safe making the cross dressing jokes and still calling her a "him" because it seems like sort of a joke when they see someone who is as comfortable and privileged as Jenner being talked about as being "brave."
Which isn't to say she isn't brave, but it's hard for people to imagine how threatened and scared she could feel coming out the way she has when they see how much more money she has than them and how much easier her life is in ever other way than theirs.
13544749:DJtearegas said:
oooor.... science has shown that everyone starts the same and that a few weeks in testosterone either makes you male or doesn't. Then... a few weeks later, hormones are vital in turning on and off some 50 other genes that control different areas of what makes up gender identity. .... so there's that
13545289:Rachy said:
And don't forget that gender identity is cultural, not scientific. There are cultures out there who believe that more than two genders exist. It's so ingrained in us that most people never even consider that our culture's definition of gender could be less than absolute.
DJtearegas
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13545289:Rachy said:
ehhhh no.
youtube milo yiannopolous if you want an easy to follow explanation of the facts
Sno.
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13544805:Burgy said:
I would have to disagree with you here. Being a "woman" is not a spiritual state of mind, the definition of a woman is an adult female, and the definition of a female is:
1.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically
Do I have a problem with Bruce Jenner transitioning to become female? No. But bending biological definitions just for the sake of being politically correct is a little bizarre to me.
Sno.
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I'll probably get flamed here, as I don't blindly follow the far left-wing thoughts, but here's some of my thoughts on it...
A man wants to live his life as a woman because he feels like he is a woman...ok...go ahead. Its his life, and he can do what he wants, and no one should shame him for it...we should be a society that is accepting of all people.
But to alter biological definitions to say that he IS a woman for the sake of being politically correct or to placate doesn't work in today's society.
I say today's society because maybe far in the future, biological gender wont be a thing, or wont be distinctive. By being open and accepting to transgender individuals we are moving society that direction.
But we aren't there yet. If Bruce Jenner IS a woman, then she can compete in all things that are designated to women only, right? Wrong...we aren't there yet...transgender men who have become women aren't allowed to compete as women in the olympics, for instance...
So ignoring the biological definition of what is a "woman" doesn't work just quite yet, and doesn't even really make sense...it just feels like something that people are pushing for the sake of acceptance, but you can have acceptance without ignoring facts.
Acceptance doesn't mean just ignoring one's differences...its embracing their differences. Bruce isn't a man, and he isn't a woman, he is a transgender individual, and that's ok. If you truly accept transgender individuals you don't need to place them in one or the other "box" of what is accepted in society. You can use race as an analogy...some mistake not being racist with "not seeing color." They say things like "I don't see race...there is no black vs. white, etc." Well you don't need to wipe out someone's racial or cultural identity to not be a racist. Embrace and accept someone's race and culture--differences and all.
A man wants to live his life as a woman because he feels like he is a woman...ok...go ahead. Its his life, and he can do what he wants, and no one should shame him for it...we should be a society that is accepting of all people.
But to alter biological definitions to say that he IS a woman for the sake of being politically correct or to placate doesn't work in today's society.
I say today's society because maybe far in the future, biological gender wont be a thing, or wont be distinctive. By being open and accepting to transgender individuals we are moving society that direction.
But we aren't there yet. If Bruce Jenner IS a woman, then she can compete in all things that are designated to women only, right? Wrong...we aren't there yet...transgender men who have become women aren't allowed to compete as women in the olympics, for instance...
So ignoring the biological definition of what is a "woman" doesn't work just quite yet, and doesn't even really make sense...it just feels like something that people are pushing for the sake of acceptance, but you can have acceptance without ignoring facts.
Acceptance doesn't mean just ignoring one's differences...its embracing their differences. Bruce isn't a man, and he isn't a woman, he is a transgender individual, and that's ok. If you truly accept transgender individuals you don't need to place them in one or the other "box" of what is accepted in society. You can use race as an analogy...some mistake not being racist with "not seeing color." They say things like "I don't see race...there is no black vs. white, etc." Well you don't need to wipe out someone's racial or cultural identity to not be a racist. Embrace and accept someone's race and culture--differences and all.
Burgy
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13546034:Sno. said:
I respect your opinion and I also do agree with some of the points from your post above. It is definitely a tricky and confusing subject and there is no real wrong or right answer.
I guess the question that I was trying to ask was, is there REALLY that much of a difference between Male human beings and Female human beings to be considered socially sooo different from each other? we are still all humans. Yes we have different hormone levels and genitals, but its not like we are different species from one another. we should not judge one another based on labels like male, female, transgendered, gay, straight, the colour of your skin, or what ever... Labels should not be such a big deal, we are all humans and we should see each other as equals. But sadly this is not the case...
DJtearegas
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13545920:Rachy said:
hes a fact seeker and you are selectively ignoring data you don't like or that doesn't fit your narrative about gender being a social construct...
these people are mentally ill and only when its gender do we let them run wild and chop their genitals off
why do you think suicide rates are so high for these people? look at the data for post-op suicides
13546114:DJtearegas said:
The temporal lobe I belive is what people with body integrity identity disorder have a piece that doesn't work. I agree that not accepting your x or y chromazone at birth means something is different about your brain. Just like how we know mens and woman's brains are also different.
However, I don't think that means they are sick for the worse and we can fix them to be better. Or that they're going to hurt themselfs or others. If a surgery is what makes them happy let them do it.
13546114:DJtearegas said:
Just off the top of my head...because their experiences are delegitimized by people like you, and they routinely suffer abuse and are denied things like employment, housing, etc. because of something about themselves they can't help?
Dunno, seems those things are just as likely as whatever mental illness theory you have.