Bush Terrorists and the war.

InfernoHits

InfernoHits

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I know many of you are liberal and anti-Bush and all that stuff. Personally I am pro-Bush but that is neither here nor there. What I am saying is that since we entered the war there hasn't been a terrorist attack on U.S. Soil. My question is, do you think this is a result of our involvement in the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan or for other reasons. I personally think it is 100% because of the war, and if that is true I consider this war a good and noble war. But what do you all think?
 
it ain't Geogre Bushs fault you guys are in two wars at once, its Dick Chenny's. He was one of the people who wrote the new defense plan wich states that america can take what it needs from other contries using military force and should show leadership to other contries in "making the right decision". just watch "farenheit 9/11". o, wait, i forgot that movie was banned in the us
 
The patriot act has some legitimate benefits but these are far outweighed by the gross disrespect of our civil rights.

Think about this: how many major terrorists attacks occured on US soil prior to 9/11? almost none. The war is motivating more islamic extremists to despise america, and putting us at higher risk of attack. The people we need to worry about are not afraid of death, and it would be ridiculous to think that they give a shit about whether we attack their country.

While we have enacted some new security measures, we are still failing miserably in the most important of ways. We have done almost nothing to secure the loose nuclear materials that resulted from the breakup of the Soviet Union. We do nothing to prevent increased nuclear proliferation, and have done little to boost security on LNG tankers. As terrible as 9/11 was, it would pale in comparison to a nuclear attack. One nuclear attack could do far more damage than a hundred 9/11's. In short, if we continue in this way, I will be surprised if there isn't a nuclear attack on the USA in our lifetimes.
 
Of course the war is helping. And what's even better news is, I just invented a working tiger repellent.
 
So, you think if we hadn't gone to war, there would have been more terrorist attacks against the U.S.? It's been only a few years since 9/11, we can't say it's soley because of the war that we've been attack free. How frequent are terrorist attacks here anyway. The last major terrorist attack in the U.S. before 9/11 happened 8 years beforehand.
 
"What I am saying is that since we entered the war there hasn't been a terrorist attack on U.S. Soil."

from a simpsons episode (the one about illegal immigrants):

homer says, after the bear patrol has been instated after a bear sighting, "since the bear patrol has been here there haven't been any bear sightings in springfield"

i'm paraphrasing but that's about what the quote was
 
to help them set up their own government if we took saddam out and left there would have been one more dictator to step in and take his spot thats why we are training their army to be able to protect their govnt thats in place now
 
if this is where you get your info then i feel sorry for you, did you know mr michael moore own stock in two of the biggest oil companies in iraq? i bet you didnt he is just someone who doesnt like bush and made a movie about his opinions thats all they are ar ehis opinions not fact, if your gonna make an educated argument as to the war and why were there and whatnot then use facts not one mans opinion
 
hahah you're a joke.

I took a piss this morning. However, since taking a piss i have not had the urge to eat a sandwhich! Therefore, my pissing has successfully stopped any urge to eat a sandwhich!
 
the war in iraq has not prevented shit, and imo 2500 dead soilders for no cause is a terror attack and bush is the attacker. but if you say bush should be charged with war crimes Fox news will get a couple of its puppets to go on and say you are anti american, and will probaly get fired from you job
 
I don't think Bush really had that much involvement in preventing further attacks on US soil-there were virtually none before 9/11. This war is on oil, hands down, in my opinion, for if it were truly a "war on terror" we wouldn't need soldiers in Iraq anymore. If anything, I guess you can say Homeland Security and the Patriot Act are partially responsible, but I believe they have done much more harm then good to the US-a total violation on our natural rights to privacy. To me, they are the first step toward a 1984/big brother-esque government, if you've read that.
 
That was a pretty stupid thing to say. Shure in the 6ish years since the war we havent had any terrorist attacks, but before 9/11 we had virtually no terrorist attacks either. IN fact 9/11 was the only significant attack on US soil since the Pearl Harbor, and if you are talking terrorist ever. It isnt because of the wars or anything else for that matter, it is because the terroist threat isnt nearly as grave as the Republicans would like you to belive. The whole "War on Terror" is just an excuse to take advantage of the people. Why cant any one see the Polotics is all this? Why dont people understand that polotitions dont care about them? It is so obvious that all they care about is their own wellfare and they are using 9/11 as a tool to impose their agenda on the country. They are using terrorism to keep the people in a constant state of fear so that they can do what ever they want to because if they dont . . . well we all remmember 9/11, dont we? In every opressive regime in the history of the wold polotitions us fear to conrol the people, for example in the USSR the people were told that if they do not support the government that the Capitalists will come and get them and the opposite is true of the of Western counties during the Cold War.

Sorry I got a little carried away there.
 
im not gonna get into this but i do have to say that anyone of the candidates that year would've sucked. kerry was an asshole to beging with and i dont like like bush either. most people i've spoken with feel the same way. kerry couldnt make up his mind about things and that comment about cheney's daughter just made me hate him anymore.

i do feel we need to be in iraq because they didnt have a government, they had a dictatorship. some poeple say that we should've just left it alone but if terrorist attacks were coming from there then i think it was the right thing to do. it is unfortunate that we didnt find anything there and it made bush look stupid. had we found weapons of mass destruction, he may have been a hero. now that theyre almost on their feet i dont understand what were still doing there.
 
who gives a shit if it was a dictatorship? Did it harm you in any way? Who gives one country the authority to walk around the world as they please, trying to throw down "democracy" to anyone who they think needs it.
 
i gave that as an example of "freedom of speech", second-some of the shit in that movie is true, if it wasen't George probably would have sued his ass. And no, i didn't know Moore had stock in iraqi oil companies, but then again, i don't really care. i have more important things to worry about, than the fucking situation in american and iraq
 
You could as easily say the first post at the top as you could "there wasn't a foreign terrorist attack on US Soil until bush got into office" it goes whatever way you want it to, thats the beauty and the beast of the human mind. Personally, i think the war is bullshit, but most wars we've gotten into since WWII have been bullshit, so this ain't that much different besides the fact that the corruption is even more evident now. War is BIG business, bigger than most can comprehend, why do you think republicans always love startin em and expanding em? I can tell you they wont lose a second of sleep over 10,000 americans dying, and that they themselves make multi-millions every year from companies they give deals to to run the war, not to mention the billions we as tax-payers throw up in the air at corporate executives for no reason but their prosperity. There is a lot more than black and white to everything, war is especially not different, but if you think black and white about it, that is a very dangerous path for your mind and our country. Always be aware of the propaganda to move the masses, and make your own EDUCATED (from as non-partisan sources as can be) mind up, and fuck letting someone tell you how it is.
 
Kerry and Bush Both suck, but if Kerry was presedent then we'd likely be complaining about his lack of defense against the attacks that would have probably taken place on North american soil, and we'd be wanting Bush back, Americans just voted for the lesser of the two evils, military death on Islamic soil as opposed to civilian death on American soil
 
How would Kerry being president change anything? Is dont understand what about him being president would make a terrorist attack more likely. He would be ten times the leader that Bush could ever be simply because he has more skill. Bush was the Gov. of texas for a couple terms, and that is the extent of his experence. As we can see he has proven his incompetence as a leader.

This is exactly what I was saying in my last post: that (in this case) the Republicans used fear to get Bush another turn. They talked so much about terror that people made the connection that if Kerry is elected there will be an attack even thought they never directly said that. There is no reason to belive that America would be less safe with Kerry as a leader, in fact Bush as proved himsself to be completely careless about forign relations. The reason Kerry lost was these fear tactics and the lies about him spread by the far right. People wanted a reason not to like kerry and the republicans gave it to them.
 
i dont understand the "fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here" thing. to me that is just tired bush rhetoric that doesn't actually make sensee. i dont see how taking over another country will help our security at all. i can only see it as increasing anti american sentiment, causing more attacks.
 
The problem with all of you and including me to a lesser extent is that none of us know anything about the workings of our own goverment. And the real funny/scarry thing is that in all likely hood we will never know the truth. Sure you can make an observation about the lack of terrorist activity in the us since 911 but that dosent stop them from attacking london, france, israle, ect. And if all these measure Bush has enstated are really protecting us where are the arrests. In my opinion weater or not the patroit act or any other bill is making any difference is irrilivent. The psycological attack of the treat of another terrorist attack is all our goverment needs to control us. I do not affiliate myself with any political party, I figure that after that much corruption to get to be the president party dosent matter. Remember to always take anything you hear on the news or from press confrences with any member of our goverment with a skeptical undertone. Remember Power corrupts, Its better to be feared than loved, and its not lieing if you believe it is true.
 
I hope you are fucking kidding. You are going to rely on a shitty michael moore movie to defend your position? Give me a fucking break, I don't care whether you are a liberal or a conservative, if you get your facts from a fucking movie, then you need to be neither and just keep your mouth shut. That movie wwas the biggest piece of bullshit I have ever watched, and I am fairly moderate, and evn more liberal on a lot of issues. please stop trying.
 
Oh it causes more anti american sentiment, thers no doubt, but the main aggravator of hate and aggression over there has been Al-Quaeda who, were they not kept busy by dodging airstrikes and cave raids by Dutiful American Soldiors, would be breeding more such Berlin Cells as the one that engaged 9-11 on America, The United States Military has a commitment, and though the leadership has never been rock solid, I think that given their task, their doing a damn fine job
 
Ya, seriously. Fahrenheit 9/11 just took everything Bush has done (whether it's good or bad) and added stupid commentary. His next movie will be like "See, this is Bush taking a shit, which means he doesn't care about our economy and he kills babies". I don't particularly like Bush (I'm conservative, mind you) but I don't need some fat guy telling me not to like Bush.
 
that depends on whether or not you count US embassies and US navy vessels as US soil eh? (they count) and dont you remember the first time the WTC got attacked in 92 or 93? how about oklahoma city? (yes i know that wasnt an attack by a foreign terrorist, but it was a terror attack on US soil) how about the unibomber for that matter? how about the anthrax mailings?

not only are you wrong in saying there hasnt been any foreign terrorist attacks on US soil pre-bush admin, but you act like you can discount the domestic ones. you cant. the legislation that has been put into effect since 9/11 effects all terror issues. not just ones plotted and carried out by guys named Abu.

disclaimer- im not saying that all that patriot act and wire tapping stuff is legit in any way. only that the quoted statment needed correcting.
 
^ those were americans...hence i put "foreign" before terrorist. let's just agree that Bush's pops got him his office AND he paid for the terrorists that are now killing US citizens to get to where they are. Not to mention all the deals we did with Sadaam, like the chemical weapons he had, ya why were we so pushing that as the reason to go there? BECAUSE WE GAVE THEM TO HIM. so the republicans could be like "ya, see he did have them" so they'd have a reason for going there, but Sadaam was smart. Can we also agree to the fact that the CIA is by far the most corrupt (on a large scale) government organization in the world? And we can also agree that Bush Sr. was head of that for a little while, and that during his term they only enlarged their worldwide corruption? I'm only trying to get us to agree on facts, not trying to give you my opinion, you can make your own, but I would just suggest to look at facts rather than what ANY politician or political group says. I read, i don't listen.
 
Liberals suck! Conservatives rule! lol

Just look who's elected to the Office, and Republicans control the Senate and the House.

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people say there hasnt been any terroism since the war because all the teroist are in the war doing suicide bombs killing the american troops that is why there are so many dead soldiers over there and they just hit closer targets to there area like israel and those place to try and divert the states attention
 
re read my post. not only did i list a handfull of foreign terrorist acts, but i also went out of my way to acknowledge that i was then going to list a few domestic ones. since terroism is terroism, the aims are the same, which is to cause harm to get attention, or get your agenda heard. the threat is the same. maybe youll tell me that the 9/11 attacks werent 'foreign terrorism' because the hijackers lived in the US for a while prior to the attacks?

there shouldnt be a need to differentiate here. but like i said, if you want to, theres still three or four incidents in the last ten or fifteen years of 'foreign' terroism against american terratory abroad, or in this country.
 
The war in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 apart from some weak republican rhetoric. Iraq had no history of any problems with extremist terrorists or any history of helping them before 9/11. This was partly to do with the control of Saddams regime and partly because different religions were used to living side by side. Now it is a hotbed for extremists from all over the middle east. The war, particularly in Iraq hasn't made America necessarily safer,its just meant that there are greater problems from terrorism in other countries (Spain and UK).And more importantly, made things worse in the country the US was "trying to help"....
 
why dont you reply to all the shit i just listed off rather than what i was sayin about before, apparently we aren't going to agree on that, so acknowledge the other shit. and anthrax letters aren't terroristic? hmmm... what else should i whip out.... ill let you tackle my previous post first, and then we can get into it, yay for opposing political view arguements! they go nowhere, but so slowly.
 
yeah! republicans control the government! so that means they dont have to represent the other half of the country! omg! lol! shut up you liberals this isnt a democracy! lol!

i think you're an alias, but im not sure because i know too many kids like you.
 
dude u have to to stop talking about stuff u have no clue on.. Its been 5 years since 9/11 there have been SOOOOOO many good things that are happening in the middle east that no one years because its not "news" and yes 2500 soldiers died and sure its tragic everyone feels for them. but 2500 over the course of 5 years? thats 500 a year look at it that way and if u can still tell me that the war is not good AT ALL provide some hard evidence next time u speek
 
ok good point.. and what did we do after Pearl Harbor? ooh yea be went into Japan to set off the biggest bomb in history.. thats right.. well in this case we are also going to war.. IF YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE IN WAR NOW... THEN WHEN PEARL HARBOR WAS HIT YOU MUST HAVE THOUGHT WE SHOULD NOT DO ANYTHING BECUASE IT IS THE SAME THING..
 
your a hypocrite, you have said " there have been SOOOOOOOOOO many good things happening in iraq" well why dont you enlighten me?
 
haha because its not like bush was president before this term right? oh and won the election by the largest popular vote ever in history? yea thats what i thought haha clearly kerry has more skills! haha wow
 
in pearl harbor we were attacked by the japanese. then we attacked them. 9/11 we were attacked by the taliban, we attacked iraq. a little different bro
 
like i said i gave you the number of a friend of mine who just came back and he says its far different than whates on the news.. unfortunately the news doesn't report about anything good sooooo i can't just bring up an article.. however u have the number don't be a pussy
 
im not going to take a soilders word over the biggest news stations in the world. and posting your veteren friends phone# on a public site is a bitch thing to do.
 
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