Bush - Hitler??

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Here's another debate for ya'll:

Over here in good old NZ, people have been likening US President George W. Bush as being another Adolf Hitler, stating that he is trying to convince the people that there is a 'need for war'. That the US needs to be at war with Iran, Afghanistan and other countries hindering global peace. What do you reckon?? Genocide?? maybe. Against Muslims or against terrorists?? A sticky issue I know. But this comparrison is so far pretty accurate. In the late '30s Hitler and his Nazi party built up armies, started to prejudice against certain races/cultures and press a need for a war. Now I'm not trying to say that Bush is a Nazi fascist. I personally believe he is a good man and there is no way that in the current state of the world he would get away with genocide or be appeased by the Allies like Hitler was. But still, you have to wonder when a countries' leader wants war, the people are crying out for no more bloodshed, to bring the nations' young boys back home from a horror none of us could ever imagine and yet he still wants the rivers of 'justice' to run red. What do ya'll think??

With Reference To:

- Otago Daily Times (16/08/02)

- New Zealand Herald (28/07/02)

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Can I get a soul clap.

Amen to that.

I'm wondering if he is for real, what did the iraqi's do this time? I think he is trying to rule the world personally...saying everyone who ain't with us is against us..hmmm....head check

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Tim you should definately check out the book 'Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace: Why we are so hated' by Gore Vidal. It deals mostly with the issues you have brought up.

 
At the beginning of the purges in Nazi Germany, the discriminated hadn't taken any aggressive actions against the nation. In addition, the process started slowly by taking the rights of citizen in that state away. Muslims in the United States still have all their rights and suspected terrorists are still getting due process. I can't even believe how this statement is applicable.

Previous wars have been pesevered by the US because of aggressive action against the state. The war of 1812 was catalyzed and perpetuated by Madison because the British had sunk the Lusitania and the impressment of US navymen. Even At this time critics said this was Mr. Madison's war and that it was a second war for independance. Another reason the war was pursued was that the British hadn't left their posts in certain areas, especially the Ohio valley and were forming alliances once again with Native Americans with intent to curb American power and influence.

I don't see why people act like this is genocide... the acts of Hitler and the purge by the Nazis doesn't coincide very well compared to past events in American history where the state has felt threatened. Germany was the aggressor nation. Take a look at Germany, since they had become inustrialized in the latter half of the 19th century and Otto von Bismarck was relieved of his duties Germany went beserk from then until the end of WWII.

 
what is wrong with genocide against terrorists. and bush doesnt have the capacity to be like hitler. he is too stupid...

 
He can't be compared to Hitler. He's to dumb. And hitler got a country to ralley behind him... bush can't even get his parents to fully back him on anything. As for war, he's from texas, and that's how they do it there... but the good news, none of the military wants to attack, so bush is on his own there.

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i love forighners views of our country. becuase they are unbiased with republican and democrat.

i think you are totally right, and that we should'nt be involved in any war. peace is the answer. after 200 years of american civilasatoin...plus a lot more for the world, we still have'nt realized that??

theres a natural mystic flowing through the air if you listen carefully now you will hear. its the first trumpet calling. might as well be the last. many more will have to suffer many more will have to die dont ask me why. things are not the way they used to be.
 
'The war of 1812 was catalyzed and perpetuated by Madison because the British had sunk the Lusitania and the impressment of US navymen. Even At this time critics said this was Mr. Madison's war and that it was a second war for independance'

the Lusitainia was a British liner I think that was sunk immeediatly prior to the United States entry into world war 1... the rest of that is completely true though

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what the hell are you talking about? we were attacked as a country, on US soil. thousands of innocent people were killed, it was the larger than pearl harbor.it's an insult to america in general to make that comparison. hell, i'm so fucking glad that bush won insted of gore, he would have been a fucking pussy and we probaly would have had another tragety by now. not that i'm republican, i'm libertarian, but a least republicans have better ideals. in my opinion, liberalism is a step closer to comunism.

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gore would have done EXACTLY the same thing bush did . . . if you can't admit that then you've got a lot to learn about politics. and republicans are one step away from racist hicks, oh wait a sec, most of them are. hah bush's 'ideals' - more money for all my buds who got me elected. a little off topic, sorry. I'm not gonna compare bush to hitler, I just find it disturbing his obsession with alienating so many other countries, like we need more enemies.

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Gravteck, you'll also remember that the one important event in the War of 1812 was the British burning Washington, D.C., and the war eventually ending in a stalemate.

There are definite similarities... Hitler had his scapegoat (Judaism/non-Caucasians) and Bush has his (Muslims/ 'terrorists')... but also differences. For example, Hitler was intent on world domination, while Bush just seems to take it for granted.

And they're right- Bush, Gore... it wouldn't really make any difference. The advisors are the ones who call the shots. Gore is just a Republican in a plaid shirt, anyway.

And at least we'd still have Kyoto.

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what the fuck are you people talking about? we were attacked, so we are now attacking the terrorists! a lot of the terrorists happen to live in afganastan, and they arn't doing anything about it, so we are. god you guys sound like a bunch of idealistic hippies! and on the subject that gore would have done the same as bush, bull shit. gore would have probaly ignored the issue altoghether, cut all defense spending, and give it to lazy fucking asses like the bitch down my street who watches daytime televison and only comes out to pick up her wellfare check

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ski2824, terrorists aren't just religious radicals; terrorists can be people (or countries) that take advantage of others at every turn for their own profit (it's called capitalism). And we wonder why we're hated in the first place.

By the way, I am an idealistic hippie.

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hey, survival of the fittest. they fucked with us, so now we're fucking them up. that's how it works.

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theres a big difference in the fact that there were over 6 million jews murdered from genocide and in america i would say no muslims have been killed mainly because there is no genocide in america. i dont want to offend any kiwis but its just stupid to compare george w to hitler in any way. hitler was fucking stupid and also a jew himself. bush is nuthing of that

 
I can't believe we're even discussing this . . . if gore didn't do anything, he woulda been run out of the country in no time at all. gore is a hell of a lot smarter than bush, most everyone will agree with that. gore would have had no other choice than to do what bush did.

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Fuck I don't know what the hell I was thinking about the Lusitania for... that was wwi, it was the Chesepeake that got attacked by the British navy that precipitated the war of 1812. There wasn't really a winner you're right but it unified the american people behind democracy and the people now believed they could and would fend off foreign threats.

 
This has nothing to do with Bush being Hitler... he's just stupid, and so is American foreign policy. I feel the need to bitch about Afghanistan real quick, so just bear with me.

We went in to catch or kill Osama, right? So where is he? Have we accomplished our mission? I know we've managed to kill over 800 innocent civilians and overthrow one corrupt government, giving warlords free reign... are we done yet? Some sort of action is of course necessary after the events of September 11th- I just think we're doing a piss-poor job of it.

But enough of that. Bush isn't like Hitler and never will be- but that doesn't mean that he doesn't suck.

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boo hoo, there were some civilian casualties. what about the civilian casualties on our side? we dident set out to kill binladen, we set out to eradicate terrorism and terrorist networks, afganastan housing most of which. they couldent control they're people, they're people fucked us up, so now they're paying the price. and for the record, if gore won the election i would have puked on the white house steps and left the country.

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why, because i dont agree with somthing because everyone else is?

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wouldn't it be nice if all the republicans (and libertarians in this case) left the country after gore won? they could go to some far off deserted land and rip up all the natural resources and make tons of money fucking over the environment. they wouldn't have to deal with any of our pesky 'taxes' and 'regulations.' they could give the natives jobs to be their servants! and they wouldn't have to worry about stupid minumum wage laws and workers rights laws! and we could get back to moving this country forward into the 21st without republicans dragging their feet with every step forward

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'boo hoo, there were some civilian casualties.'

how many americans died on september 11th?

how many civilians have died over the years to american weapons?

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that would be nice wouldent it? robin hood for president!

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how many lives have been lost to american weapons? how many fucking lives have been saved by the most charitable nation on the planet??

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the most charitable nation that pays soldiers in the new afghan national army a dollar a day for their services.

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fucking leftists. you give the afgan army your fucking paycheck. hell, give the goverment all your money, they know what to do with it better than you do. wait what's that called agean....um....comunism?

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bush is nothing like hitler, hitler killed jews simply becasue they were jews. were killing becasue they attacked us, they threw the first punch and it was rather stupid of them to do so. and what about the other countrys in the middle east? i dont see them taking any heat for their actions. to anyone that says peace is the answer: we did'nt start this, they did. you cant have peace when your buildings are falling down, or when your harbor gets bombed.

 
I agree that bush is too dumb to be hitler. He's just a stupid texan with blood lust. I would really feel more comfortable if gore was in charge.

And just because you live in afghanistan does not mean that you deserve to die because a terrorist group that's being harboured by the government lives there. I realize that american civilians were killed, but that's no excuse for killing afghan civilians.

Bush has no right to invade iraq right now. They haven't done anything. Those people have suffered enough with UN sanctions. All the US wants is to send in weapons inspectors to ensure that saddam isn't stock piling weapons. And fuck..if the US attacks, I'm sure saddam will let them know exactly what he has..and it's doubtful that he'd hold back at all the second time. US would win sure...but at what cost?

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Nobody will follow Bush to war, Americans arent quite that dumb. Besides on a few of his speeches he did advocate tolerance against afganis.

 
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i don't care what party the president is from. either way they are going to do what makes them look best and gets them the most votes. that is the leading factor in all politicians decisions

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its so funny how one-tracked you guys are. Nobody will see other peoples views. And the funny part is, I bet most of it is from TV or something. thats the reason I don't feel like contributing.

Do you really think that if the United States invades Iraq that the whole fucking country is going to prance around like a bunch of fucking nancy-boy homosexuals and yell that they've been violated? Hah, yeah, and I bet Saddam is a real angel over there. I bet hes not doing anything, minding his own shit... haha... yeah right, what are you going to try to get me to believe next? That trees cry when you cut them down?

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ok...saddam is definitly no angel, and he does deserve to be blown to bits. What the US needs to do is get rid of the law that forbids state sponsored assasinations. Then they could just sniper the guy. Of course..then we'll probably get stuck with one of his kids in charge..and if you read that maxim...the oldest is twice as crazy as his old man.

I just don't like to see bombs flying and innocent civilians dying just because they were born iraqi.

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Hell yeah to state sponsored assasinations!!!!

haha, I'd love to see the headline 'Saddam Hussein was shot by an unknown assailant' when you KNOW its the US

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I don't know if anyone else will find this interesting but here is a quote from 'Perpetual war for Perpetual Peace'

'This is from a pre-Osama text: 'Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assemlby, and associations; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed' The tone is familiar. Clinton? Bush? Ashcroft? No. It is from Hitler's 1933 speech calling for 'an enabling act' for 'the protection of the people and the state''

That pretty much sums up my opinion of it all. Americans are so keen to go kill some brown people they aren't even noticing the bills that have been passed that have taken away some of their civil liberties. Crazy shit.

 
Yea we don't have laws like that... all we've really done so far was set up the homeland security committee.

We don't need state sponsored assassins, we have the CIA...

And yea, his next son is fucking crazy, I've read and heard a lot of stuff about him, and we don't want taht guy either.

 
Hmmm its good to see that at least journalists, politicians, and the general public outside of the U.S. are aware of the horrible decisions our leadership casually makes on a daily basis. Like that other guy said, Vidal's 'Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace' is the ultimate foreign policy book, and will change your outlook on the world (ski2824) in a single sitting.

I'm not so sure Bush is like Hitler. Bush is just another politician (like Gore) who has done what pretty much any politician of the two mainstream parties would have done in his situation (gore would have done the same thing or been run out of office). Hitler, on the other hand, was an enormously powerful and charismatic leader, who took command over a continent and could have commanded the continent based on any ideology, Bush is just another in a long line of hypocritical mock-democratic leaders. I'd say maybe Bush is more like a Stalinist character, a guy who took control even though he probably didn't deserve it because he had no viable competition (nor did Stalin who was a lower party memeber who rose up after the death of Lenin). Unlike Hitler, but more like Stalin, he waged his wars more distantly and covertly but had hidden territorial goals within them. They used warfare to gain support, placing their nations in a constant state of war to keep their citizens in a frenzy. Like Stalin, Bush is also rounding up suspected 'criminals of the state', sometihng like 2100 people remain imprisoned, uncharged, because they are 'suspected' terrorists. And Guantanamo Bay looks like a Stalinist concentration camp with a bunch of ragged Afghan kids who would fight for whoever put food on their plates (happened to be the Taliban). It was released that 34 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay have tried to kill themselves. This makes me wonder, what would drive them to this, what are the marines down there doing to them to try and get info on Bin Laden? And we suddenly have the right to criticize what Castro does on the rest of the island fo Cuba?

Sorry this was kind of scattered thoughts, but as a lot of you know I have opinions (usually supported, hopefully) on about everything, so feel free to respond. Good points were made by others as well, a lot of people on this site always provide very intelligent and unique opinions.

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Yes Saddam Hussein is an evil bastard who deserves everything he gets. Is that an excuse to start a war of aggression (completley forbidden under international law) hell no it isn't. In the gulf war Iraq had invaded kuwait so that war was justified. But to invade a country because they MIGHT support terrorists or that they MIGHT be making weapons of mass destruction (which they probably are) is just stupid. It will lose America any of the support among arab countries in the region that it is currently enjoying.

Getting rid of saddam would be a great thing but how do you know that his replacement would be any better. Unless you expect the States to install a puppet leader and effectivley run Iraq.

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I think saddams oldest son used to be his middle son. I think he killed his brother so he could one day have power. That article said that even saddam is reported to be afraid of him.

I completly forgot about guantanamo bay...are there STILL prisoners being held there??

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I'd just like to clarify one thing with my last post. I wasn't necessarily aiming for my post to be about the Bush-Hitler debate - I was just try to wake some people up and make them take a look the bigger picture outside of the US.

 
Hitler?! HAH! Hitler was a fool. He had Europe within his grasp and he let it all slip away-Unknown. Hitler turned a battered and bruised Germany into an Economic superpower by playing on peoples fears and prejudices of a minority. Some say his capaign against the Jews was simply a platform for which he could reform Germany. Bush is far from Hitler. Bush never said he was against the muslim peoples just against Terrorism. I agree with the war in Afghanistan, but I think it could've been handled better. Such as specialist troops and assassins making specific and accurate strikes at the talibans legs and then close in for the kill. I think America rushed into the attack and it should've been thought out better. This wasn't a war aginst Afghanistan, it was treadted like one but it wasn't supposed to be, It was a war against the Taliban and the Taliban isn't a country. The invasion of Iraq is a mix of Bush defending daddy and keeping his approval ratings up. Besides there's a system that keeps people like Bush from doing things like that, The same system that kept Nixons military advisor from dropping nukes on Da Nang. I have a friend who escaped from Iraq by pretending he was a simple blue collar worker when in actuality he was a white collar engineer, Saddam would go into the market and choose a child(boy or girl) and would take them back to his palace and commit horrible sexual acts to them. Assassination won't help kill him he's too slippery he's evaded more assassination attempts than Castro, He lives in a bunker deep in the ground.

In addition to my comments about fighting organizations rather than countries take a look at this figuring. It took longer to break apart the Taliban than it did to defeat Saddams army. I use SADDAMS ARMY rather than IRAQ because the old man that sells water in the market has done nothing to me.

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mashed_penguin, Saddam Hussein MIGHT support terrorism? Are you a moron? Do you not consider Palestinians that go into Jewish settlements in Israel and blow themselves and other innocent civilians up terrorists? Hussein pays these suicide bombers families thousands of dollars for taking their own lives and the lives of innocent civilians. I think that every action in this world needs to be taken to eradicate Hussein from power. What is going to happen when he gains nuclear capabilities? I really don't want to find out. The guy is a lunatic and so is the rest of his family, we need to get rid of them before they attack another group of innocent civilians like they did prior to the Gulf War. Not only did they invade Kuwait, Hussein also killed many Turks because they were not the same type of Muslim that he was, I can't remember if he is a Shitite or a Sunni so I can't tell you who he attacked but that is not relevant. Something needs to be done and done quick before we all die because of a nuclear holocaust that could be prevented if we act now!

 
Billy- Yes Hussein likely supports terrorism, like you said he gives money to Palestinians who blow up innocent Israelis. But what about Apache helicopters owned by the Israeli government, donated by the American government, that bomb and kill innocent Palestinians. We provide Israel with the means to diplace millions and kill thousands of Palestinians, does that mean our government supports terrorism? Maybe before we point the terrorism finger we should examine our own actions. Another thing that I somehow just can't understand is how everyone says, 'what if Saddam has nukes, we gotota stop him then right, its dangerous if we don't start a war with Iraq.' Well we have been containing him for 11 years and he hasn't done shit, so why would we try to provoke him. We start another illegitimate war and kill mass numbers of civilians, then I wouldn't be suprised if Saddam does use a weapon of mass destruction against America or one of its allies like Israel. Why the hell do we have to go looking for wars. Can a Bush,or any American president, not go six months without invading something or blowing somebody up.

Steel Rabbit- You say Hitler is an idiot because he couldn't conquer Europe? I must have forgotten how easy it is to conquer Europe, I mean only an idiot couldn't do it, Hitler, Napoleon, those guys know nothing about war. Well they may know that if you look at the word war, it is, by definition, a conflict between two STATES. What we have in Afghanistan, is as you said, not a war, its simply revenge, using terroism to combat terrorism. War is just a word used to gain support for the cause, since we never even recognized the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan, its literally impossible for us to have a 'war' with them. But I think it is a horrible mistake to write people like Saddam and Hitler and even Bin Laden off as wackos and stupid and never give it a second thought, because then more and more of these people will arise and we won't know how to counter or properly combat them, unless we use intellect and our brains to understand why what they did was wrong.

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