Bush hating must stop

Sorry to hear about your dad's job loss but Bush was not the reason behind that. Nor did Bush hike your tuition rates. Tuition rates have been climbing consistently for years and years now. Bush hasn't done anything to jack them up.

As far as the economy goes, well 1 million jobs were lost in the one month following 9/11 and many more there after. Believe it or not Bush's tax cuts have spurred the economy. Job growth has been steady since over the last two years as well as market growth. Since October of '02 we have seen a market gain of 3600 points and consistent job growth. 9/11 was not only an attack on our civilians but it was an attack on our economy as well (look at the targets picked). Blame the corporation for poor fiscal planning as opposed to blaming Bush.

And I hope your relatives return from Iraq safe and sound.

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I'm not actually blaming bush for causing those things, i'm blaming him for not doing anything about them.

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it was just an example. if the goverment was liberal, i would still be questioning of it. just, mostlikley, i wouldnt have as much problems with it. besids that doesnt mean i still cant question other things.

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i dont consider myself conservative or liberal, but I'm not a moron and can see the so many major mistakes that have been made and can see how bush is totally incompetent to rule this country, but since a slightly larger portion of the country is very religious, anti abortion, and anti gay marrige we now have bush for a president. Its great that so many people only thought about these stupid less important issues when voting instead of looking at the bigger picture

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yeah im a liberal. I fully can admit that i live in oregon, love the enviroment, respect EVERYONE no matter the race, gender, or sexual orientation. I believe that the richest people in the country should pay their fair share of taxes, agree with the proven fact that reganomics/trickle down economics/tax cuts to the rich doesnt work. As to whether ill stop bashing bush, hahahahaha.

Oh yeah and Graves, you should probably change your party affiliation if you're so accepting of everyone, not a redneck, and as smart as you claim to be. Conservative punks, thats so fucking funny dude, im not a punk but it sounds as rediculous as right wing rappers rapping about how good making the rich richer and the poor poorer is.

send me some of that conservative punk, i wanna hear it. Have your band memebers pull your head out of your ass while you're at it.

'Has you ever had an abortion? Surely you should try something before you say it is bad. Because I was very anti-Burger King, but then I went there and I had the flame grilled, ain't it, and you know it was like amazing.'-Ali G

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^ how many times does the guy have to say 'ramones and misfits' before you guys get it through your brains? the vandals also have a great song of this nature on their country songs album. very funny.

so if you think the ramones, misfits and the vandals arent punk, well, im pretty sure the guys the misfits could convince you all otherwise.

^ you mentioned something about the rich paying 'their fair share' of the tax burden. how does 90+ per cent of all tax revenue sound? sounds beyond fair to me... in fact, it sounds downright generous on behalf of the top bracket of tax payers.

you know how capitalism is evil? make sure you tell the tsunami survivors that are benefiting from the multi million dollar donations by gates and dell about how bad they are.

you guys are largley in part nothing but a bunch of angst ridden teenaged recylcling plants for intellectual and idiological refuse.

i dont know what to say, other than to urge the majority of you to retire from public life. maybe move to one of the outer alutian islands or somthing. you could start a nice socialist commune there, and listen to all the nofx and anti flag that you want! it would be really great. you could pool all your resources, and use them to benefit the common good, whilst being tollerant of all differences that might arise among you! it would be just like lord of the flies, except much more punk rawkkkkk!

you all astound me with your intellects. so very vast. like the sea.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
^ Excellent post anewmorning.

And to everyone else I never claimed I was punk, nor did I say I was in a punk band. I referenced a website that is called ConservativePunk.com I linked it earlier but apparently to many of you are a little to slow to figure out that you are supposed to click on the blue letters (its called a link).

As far as the homophobe thing goes, that I am not. But you could point the finger at both sides considering two liberally favored states also voted against gay marriage (11 states total), and in every state that gay marriage was voted on it was denied but a significantly large margin (doesn't make it right but apparently that is what the majority wanted). And conservatives are not a discriminating party like many of you seem to want to believe. We are just a party that does not believe in handouts (the majority of the time). We believe that everyone deserves what they work for and that our earned money shouldn't be buying food stamps or paying rent for crack addicts and criminals. We support vouchers for education because we believe it offers the opportunity for minorities to leave the public school systems that continue to fail to provide a proper education year after year. That's just a slim portion of what we stand for.

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'punk is just thinking for yourself' = really good post!

you can be communist punk, nazi punk (many bands: chevrotine, hess, legion 88), catholic punk, jewish punk, ...

the real subject was about bush, and stopping to insult him. i think it's just true.

do you really think you're more clever than bush?? rzeally men, you lost so stop it and watch. history will tell us if he is or you are right.

punk's not dead.

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RAILS SUCK!

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DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!

BUSH WON!!
 
god damn anew good post. can i quote you on that refuse line. i am a liberal but i do appreciate the way you put people in their place on this site

Never shall innocent blood be shed, yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The Three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of God.

 
hmmm, Its not the Bush is 'ruining america.' He's just ruining the entire world. Don't be proud to be human, it's a disgrace... Punk is dead.

Support The Culture!!
 
the majority of americans are ignorant because i know what is best for them, kerry and hugging trees and feeding poor bastard leches who are too lazy to work for themselves, yet they voted for bush, but im right because i am, so shut up if your going to be closed minded(aka vote republican)

 
I would just like to add that more now then ever I think 'punk' as a social class is nothing more now than a style of clothing that seems fashionable at the moment. Basing your personal political stance on something that a band says is rediculus. I don't see 'punk' labled anywhere on axis of the quite acurate and internationally acclaimed www.politicalcompass.org

To Graves and that other retard: Shut up you ass mongers. You guys arguing remindes me of elementart school fighting over the swings at recess - Yea, well my dad can beat up your dad. Except you wangs are fighting over - No No I'm more of a punk than you. Nuuh. My belt buckles bigger than yours so I'm more punk. Seriously, the topic is on Bush, not some grade-school style of hissyfit over something as trivial as being a 'punk'.

To the guy who started this post. The Bush hating will never end as long as he is in the Whitehouse. When the democrates are in power, the political right bitches and moanes about them too. I also think that you are a wang for trying to tell everyone to stop it. If you are buying into the fear tactics of this what seems to be as close as democratically possible to a fascist regime, Open your eyes. Do you not see how closely this invasion resembles the invasion of Vietnam. If this phony war was anymore over giving Iraq democracy, than it was over oil, I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have seen all those pictures of the 'heroic' american soliders guarding the Iraqi Oil reservere buildings.

To Grubix2- What are you talking about Bush hasn't helped your father! He can now right off an brand new SUV or Truck up to $100,000.

If buy anychance that you were offended by what my putting 'heroes' in quotations, It is not ment to do so. I am only using the what Time magazine has run for the last couple years as the Man of the Year! and so forth.

 
hmm...how can't you hate him, when you have his followers trying to convert you by calling you treehuggers and whiny fuckers,

you get a life man, you're nothing but a hack.

Listen To MORE Heavy Metal!!
 
Floaton you need to learn how to read. Because never did I say I am 'punk.' So you can go ahaead and remove your foot from your mouth now.

I said that two of the Ramones were conservatives and so is Michael Graves (no relation), former lead singer of the Misfits. I was simply responding to the guy that said you can't be 'punk' if you are Republican.

But go ahead and continue to ignore what I actually WROTE as compared to what you think I wrote. You just look dumber by the moment.

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Anew,

you conservatives rave about how great the US is and how compassionate you all are.. When it comes to compassion and greatness, you fall short. Here's why: Bush gave an 87 BILLION dollar tax cut to the top 1 percent of Americans. Those 87 billion could have been used for many things such as, education, the poor (who conservatives seem to really dislike because OH MY they dont vote for them.. I wonder why) So shut up about how the richest pay their fair share, Bush is giving them nice large tax cuts hoping that they might spend it and it will trickle down to the lesser blessed individuals. The economy is heading to shit, the middle class is becoming smaller, the richest people are controlling more and more of the country and the market, and the poor are definately getting poorer. Also, all the jobs that the conservatives are raving about are barely covering the incoming workers into the market. How bout instead of supporting rich CEO's who outsource their jobs to countries where they pay 75 cents an hour for labor, how bout we stop letting the richies fuck us and stand up for ourselves. but i mean you're conservative so you're probably rich anyway.

'Has you ever had an abortion? Surely you should try something before you say it is bad. Because I was very anti-Burger King, but then I went there and I had the flame grilled, ain't it, and you know it was like amazing.'-Ali G

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most of you are too young too understand the essentialist view that bush uses to govern the world, the world has been moving towards a shapeless postmodernistic view for far too long. You dont realize that making things right and wrong is nessecary once in a while, even if only in an existenialist (you dont actually believe it

) way. Id rather have bush filling the power vaccuum of the world, than 5 middle eastern nations with no stablity. Yeah everyone holding hands would be great, but its not feasable or realistic now.

 
Hold on for a second everyone!

Stop. Breathe. Good.

THIS MAY SOUND STUPID, but please bare with me.

Now what I Want to know is why both sides here believe what they believe in. I AM A BIT CONFUSED

Take this as an OPPORTUNITY to sway me (the undecided party) to your side.

I have an idea of where this thread is going and am sick of hearing about 'Punkness' and Johnny Ramone.

And please, no spit rhetoric.

 
big jibbin- good call. where did idealism ever get anyone? really now...

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
although, i dont think that the people that your post was aimed at are going to understand what you just said.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
Bush is sick, shut yo asses.

_marsh_

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unfortunatly, i will keep hating bush, no matter what you say. what he has already done i wont forget

guddgulf17: the devil is in the details

J.D._May: he was until 4 years ago, now hes in the oval office

Pirate steeze, arrrr!
 
ill be honest, i got tired of reading everything since my last post so i just gave up and i havent read anything on this second page, but im guessing its still relevant to the topic at hand.

graves, i have every reason to classify you as a homophobic isolationist. First of all it is a strong republican/conservative belief that gay people should not have the right to marry. and the fact that bush is making a constitutional amendment trying to band gay marriage makes him the first president to try to add prejudice in the constitution. Gay people are humans, they deserve the right to marry eachother if they want to. its as simple as that. The belief that they shouldnt be able to get married is strictly a religious belief, and i dont know if you heard of this term but theres a little something called 'the separation of church and state'

secondly, conservatives/republicans/assholes are isolationsists. why? because they dont give a fuck what the rest of the world has to say. they're stubborn bastards and refuse to listen to the majority (a very undemocratic practice). A perfect example of this is the War in Iraq. Completely, random and uncalled for, and when bush decided to go to war, he was condemned by almost all leaders of the world. Granted he did form the 'Coalition of the Willing'. Which i would say is comparable to the allied powers in WWII. I mean, Costa Rica, and the Netherlands are absolute powerhouses. and oh, i forgot Poland!

and thirdly i dont recall giving punk a strict definition at all, so i dont know what all of these accusations are about. I said punks are liberal, thats all i said. And i dont remember who said it, but some one said that they had to be open minded about the government, and id definetly add that to the guidelines. And you've used the same fuckin line about the ramones and the misfits at least 15 times by now, and that seems to be the only argument you have going for you. So congradulations, all that arguing and you have been able to list 3 guys in punk bands that were republican, im really proud of you.

And last of all, punk is liberal. All this shit you say about defining punk is just plain dumb. With your definition of punk having no definition, cottage cheese could be punk or even George Bush could be punk. That really doesnt make any sense to me, nor should it make any sense to any one eles. Punk has been liberal since its birth, and thats what it is. And yes maybe some of the ramones were republican, but the other 99.99999% of punk bands including the FIRST punk band: The Sex Pistols, were all liberal. So, as i said before come up with another name for your political beliefs, because its not punk. Im thinking that you can call you're beliefs something like 'CONSERVATIVE', or maybe 'REPUBLICAN' or possibly even 'RIGHT-WING DOUCHE BAG' but not punk. So graves, you are dismiised.

hello my name is driskey.
 
La de dah dahyouranidiot dah dah dah...

and i quote: 'And last of all, punk is liberal. All this shit you say about defining punk is just plain dumb'

so... punk is, by definition, liberal, but defining punk is dumb... now, ive seen people contradict themselves one or twice in my day, but rarely do they do it in consecutive sentances. you have an unreal grasp of the art of rhetoric. aristotle could have learned a thing or two from you my friend! an absolute artist of persuasion in our midst!

oh, and by the way, youre a swinherd.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
i didnt say that punk was dumb, i said that graves saying that punk has no definition at all is dumb. fucking retard

hello my name is driskey.
 
secondly, conservatives/republicans/assholes are isolationsists. why? because they dont give a fuck what the rest of the world has to say. they're stubborn bastards and refuse to listen to the majority (a very undemocratic practice). A perfect example of this is the War in Iraq. Completely, random and uncalled for, and when bush decided to go to war, he was condemned by almost all leaders of the world. Granted he did form the 'Coalition of the Willing'. Which i would say is comparable to the allied powers in WWII. I mean, Costa Rica, and the Netherlands are absolute powerhouses. and oh, i forgot Poland!

Actually, isolationism is staying out of the business of foreign nations. So in no way can you say the current administration is isolationist. we havent been isolationist since the beginning of world war 2.

But what do I know? I'm just a skeevy stoner.
 
a lot of early punk was about anarchy, which is techincally a far-right wing stance. however, liberatrianism is a far departure from the bush agenda by any means. remember, this is about the administration that passed the patriot act. you think anarchists like being wire-tapped unknowingly and having their library records examined? but the bottom line is, punk cannot be classified with any political affiliation any more than rock or country can. we can stereotype all we want, but that doesnt make punk_skier's lifestyle or opinions any less valid.

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just because you are punk doesnt mean you cant be stupid

Jesus saves!

Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
 
Graves:

I usually attempt to refrain from name calling and insults, but in your case, I have no other choice. You are a fool. Your pathetic attempts to attack those of us who are simply putting forth our opinions fall flat along with your sarcastic remarks and slogans that you list in your signature.

''Except For Ending Slavery, Facism, Nazism, and Communism War Has Never Solved Anything''

Sorry, I missed the petty sarcasm in that response. It also seems like whoever wrote that insightful ditty missed second grade grammar one too many times.

'As far as the economy goes, well 1 million jobs were lost in the one month following 9/11 and many more there after. Believe it or not Bush's tax cuts have spurred the economy. Job growth has been steady since over the last two years as well as market growth. Since October of '02 we have seen a market gain of 3600 points and consistent job growth. 9/11 was not only an attack on our civilians but it was an attack on our economy as well (look at the targets picked). Blame the corporation for poor fiscal planning as opposed to blaming Bush.'

Clearly, you have no understanding of macroeconomics. I would attempt to write up a correct rebuttal to this paragraph, but I am certain you would not understand it.

The biased links that you have posted in your profile also contradict your facade of objectiveness. If anyone disagrees with me on this, please look at any blogs posted by mattg22 on that site. Overall, Graves, you have demonstrated to us that you are not only an uneducated, yet extremely opinionated and angry person bent on changing people's already ingrained views and perspectives. One day, I hope that you will realize that your mission against liberalism is a losing battle.

(Hint: Avoid embarassing yourself even more by replying to this post.)

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.

Scratch174, thank you.
 
oh graves are you gonna take that?

Jesus saves!

Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
 
Looks like I missed something.

Anewmorning:

'i dont know what to say, other than to urge the majority of you to retire from public life. maybe move to one of the outer alutian islands or somthing. you could start a nice socialist commune there, and listen to all the nofx and anti flag that you want! it would be really great. you could pool all your resources, and use them to benefit the common good, whilst being tollerant of all differences that might arise among you! it would be just like lord of the flies, except much more punk rawkkkkk!'

Incredible.

'whilst being tollerant of all differences that might arise among you!'

That sure would be terrible, wouldn't it? I would just hate to see a world full of tolerant people, ready to resolve conflicts positively instead of through violence. That would be a living hell to compassionate Wilsonians like Anewmorning. Congratulations, Anewmorning, you have established yourself as the second most foolish person who has posted in this thread.

(Hint: Don't try to use sarcasm in your posts. It exposes your stupidity.)

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.

Scratch174, thank you.
 
Oh my, I was just reading through one of the links that Graves has posted in his profile. The author, matt22 obviously has a distorted grasp on logic and reality judging by his extremely odd opinions on topics ranging from gay marriage to the vietnam war. Call me crazy, but I would bet money that Graves has similar views. He also has a war fetish, but that's a different subject altogether.

Check this out:

'John Kerry, an outspoken critc of the Vietnam War, will use 8mm footage from his tour to promote his presidential campaign tonight at the Political Celebrity Egofest in Boston. Kerry, who quickly gained notoriety, returned to the states after a four month tour of duty and slandered his fellow soldiers and the operations in Vietnam. How can a man who was so outspoken against the war in 'Nam use it to promote his campaign? This has hypocrisy written all over it.'

No, this article has hypocrisy written all over it. In fact, the entire article is complete nonsense. John Kerry volunteered for a difficult and dangerous position in Vietnam, did his required service and came home. Later, he reflected on the US's actions in Vietnam and came to the conclusion that perhaps we should have not done the things that we had done. I see this as a perfectly reasonable thing to do, not hypocrisy. Perhaps that is just because I see things in the light of reason, not biased, macho opinions like our chum Graves.

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.

Scratch174, thank you.
 
clearly i need to get a little bit more serious.

the reason i posted that remark is because a lot of the posters of your social persuasion embrace idealist thought. is this bad? no, but its unrealistic. let me know when it becomes a reality okay? at that point you can crack on my sarcastic remarks. if youre wound so tight that you cant take it, well, thats your failing. not mine.

congradulations, youve identified yourself as the most high strung person on this thread...

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
i didnt bother reading any of this shit. i'll i will say is fuck bush and leave it at that

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'NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.'

After just merely skimming this post I'm starting to think that. Here's the thing about punk. It really doesn't exist the way it once did because the world doesn't work like that anymore. Now, that doesn't mean we can't still think for ourselves, but none of the arguments anyone has presented on either side for or against bush involved much thinking for themselves.

I find it hard to believe that a rational person could look at the atrocities committed under bush and find him a good person to vote for. Oh well, you guys are letting the rest of the world finally catch up or get ahead of you.

that being said. Wow are there ever a lot of stupid people that post about politics here 'your a cock muncher, blah blah blah' grow up kids. If you don't know enough to post something intelligent and have to resort to that don't post please. Frankly it's starting to scare me more and more that so many people in the ski industry have such crappy attitudes and can act like such complete morons. Reguardless of which side you are on you can still present good ideas and quit being idiots that flame one another. You make me sad that the industry I love is filled with people like you. Grow up.

 
Please ignore what i said. I was drunk and tired. I normally make more sense than that. I do think that Bush is a good pres. but i dont give a shit if you like him or not.

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'clearly i need to get a little bit more serious.

the reason i posted that remark is because a lot of the posters of your social persuasion embrace idealist thought. is this bad? no, but its unrealistic. let me know when it becomes a reality okay? at that point you can crack on my sarcastic remarks. if youre wound so tight that you cant take it, well, thats your failing. not mine.

congradulations, youve identified yourself as the most high strung person on this thread... '

What?

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.

Scratch174, thank you.
 
''you can be communist punk, nazi punk (many bands: chevrotine, hess, legion 88), catholic punk, jewish punk, ... ''

well, glad to see you know your nazi punk!

and, Gravis, Johnny may like Bush, but it looks like all the opther mambers of the band are liberal. here ya go

what about The Clash? they were liberal. what about Crass? straight up punk is generally very clearly liberal. no once you get into hXc and shit like that, im sure there is more conservative shit out there, but even alot of those bands are liberal. There are some bands/people in the punk scene who may be more liberatarian, but that is not the same as conservative, and even the libratarians, i would say are in the minority in the punk scene.

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^^ hahaha! do not misundertand! i send my college years with two friends: one was neo nazi, the other communist, and i'm catholic, we had some much fun talking together! real proof we all can love each other!! ;D

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!

RAILS SUCK!

POWDER SKIING RULES!

DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!

BUSH WON!!
 
^ i got that book for christmas and im in the process of reading it. Yes, Bush is a fucker.

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bush i fucked hes crazy what r u talking about r u fucked in the head that makes me so mad i want to murder u just for saying that he bombs county'e that cant defend them selfs and they cant do any thing and besides they have allready found saddam so why dont they leave? i know why because he wants the oil and he cant get it so he stays they untell he does get it u fucking faget bush loving bitch

 
punk_rider... if your neonazi friend was truly neo nazi he would not have spent any time with a communist and vice-versa..

------I RIDE ARMADA------

S K I N E W Z E A L A N D
 
^ dude, just becuase you have a political view about something doesnt mean you have to be close-minded and intolerant. who knows, george w. bush might be a cool guy to chill with, all politics aside.

the Music Never Stopped...
 
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