Bush documents a HOAX

yeah as funny as it may seem, I still haven't found a good reason for us to invade Iraq that outweighs the damage we've done.

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^ I concur. Sure, Saddam was a bad guy and sure Iraq was under an oppressive totalitarian regime. But if that was the only reason for invading Iraq, we have established a very dangerous doctrine which allows us to bomb the shit out of every country that employs a system of government that is not to our liking. That's a scary thought.

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i honestly think that someone that pussy footed out of war should not send hundreds of thousands of young men to fight a war... more than 1000 have died so far and how can you vote for someone supporting the draft... also many easily forget that the US gave iraq military weapons to fight iran in the 80s also both bush and cheney have done business with the iraqis so i think that bush is a hypocrate and how can you trust someone who lies about wmds to his 'service' in vietnam and who cant pronounce nuclear im sorry but anyone that is voting for bush must have their head way too up their ass to realize what type of an idiot theyre voting for.. wanna fuck up the country more well vote for bush

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all you people are missing the point, someone created fake documents to essentially frame the President of the United States of America

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First of all, Bush in NO WAY supports a draft. It is two Democratic senators that voted AGAINST the war that have developed the legislation to reinstate the draft. These Senators are using childish vengeance to show that they disagree with Bush. The don't like the war, so they want to bring back the draft...anyone else see the stupidity of this? The militray is meant to defend our nation whether it is a pre-emptive strike or in response to an attack. Remember, PACIFISM IS DEADLY! Look at 9/11, look at Pearl Harbor, look at Sudan, look at Kosovo, Bosnia, etc., etc, the list goes on and on. All cases of Pacifism that led to the LOSS of MILLIONS OF LIVES. Everyone knows that Saddam had WMD in the past and HAD USED them in the past. Every single intelligence agency across the world said he still had them and was still in the process of developing them. Bush didn't lie. Bush used the intelligence he was given. The civilian and soldier casualties are tragedies, but Saddam had already killed hundreds of thousands (maybe millions, should that have continued?

And Clinton did wuss out on Iraq. In '96 he sat back and launched a few missles into Iraq. What good did that do? Did it accomplish anything? If you look at Clinton's history of statements on Iraq it is quite apparent that he wanted to take Saddam out.

Since we invaded Iraq both Libya and Syria have dropped their aggressive campaigns to build WMDs and they have lightened up on their laws on treatment of women. All of this because they watched their good friend Saddam take a missle up the ass and cower in a 6 by 8 rat hole for months on end.

As far as what happened years ago, Bush has repeatedly stated that he could care less. Kerry decided to make Vietnam his platform and his platform just happens to be biting him in the ass. Bush, on numerous occassions, has stated that he finds Kerry's service honorable and that Kerry should be proud of his service in 'Nam. Kerry continues to spin this into an 'attack' against him and claims it was brought on by Bush.

Bush does need to win this election, because Kerry is doing it for him.

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'and who cant pronounce nuclear' -hahaha, so if you guys are agreeing on the same issues, i shouldnt vote on issues i find important? i should vote against a guy because of his texas accent?

abortion is not 'superfluous', its very important to us who think life starts at conception, and feel it is wrong young girls are told its ok to have promiscuous sex, and then to murder the product of it. we also want to protect the deffinition of marraige, so it means something. its already being destroyed by people who live like they're married, but have no obligation to fulfill.

wow, congrates, you think illogically- those are the issues that should be deciding the election. if you dont think these are valid isues, what do you lean on??? yeah, its tragic that soilders should have to die. i have friends in iraq.

oh, and we're not going after every system of goverment we dont like. i havent seen us hit cuba, or china, or france, or... we're trying to liberate the repressed people who are dying and being tortured because their leader is a criminal, and cant handle critisism. its rediculous that you should think that mass graves are unimportant, and that sadaam's sons should be alowed to rape and torture and kill and maim. can we trade you for an iraqi citizen, so you can know what its like.

and for you that dont believe there are mass graves, read the latest issue of 'airman' magazine, you can get it free at any military recruiting pamphlet display

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For those of you that think the United States is corrupt and wrong, I reccommend you pick up Inside the Asylum by Jed Babbin. An in depth look at the scandalous United Nations and the EU. After reading that maybe you will have a better understanding as to why the 'Pro-UN' and 'Pro-France' sKerry is a mistake for our nation.

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I think they're both laughing because people who use the french as a scapegoat or otherwise negatively portray them in an effort to advance their political beliefs or damage the image of an opponent is worthy of ridicule. Personally, I just shake my head. Secondly, don't make denigrating comments about established members of the site unless you want to be laughed at further. If you're going to call someone an idiot, you'd better know a bit about how they operate... Melvs supports his arguments with sources more often than many people here.

Thirdly...

''For those of you that think the United States is corrupt and wrong''

That sounds like a moral claim...If you'd like to turn this into an ethical debate, I'm all for it. I got tired of the political ones. Your call.

P.S., I enjoyed your signature. Moorewatch and other organizations (if you can call them that) have, in the past, put forward entirely fabricated charges of lying on Moore's part that have been utterly refuted (and Moore proven to have been telling the truth) on several occasions via video evidence and documented sourcing, but hey, if it accords with your belief system, it must be unquestionably true, whereas if you disagree with it, it's probably a lie. Am I right?

Anyways, let me know about the ethical discussion.

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yeah, i was wondering about what melvs was laughing about also, but i wasnt gonna go after him just cause he laughed.

as for the morality issue, i agree w/ JD_may, wrong post, this is about politics. even though i do agree with the fact america is morally bankrupt. but drop it here, its the wrong post for the topic, so i'll stop

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I went after Melvs because him laughing at a post proves no point whatsoever. If you want to disagree with me or someone else from the right, that is fine, but don't do so by laughing. Have the gall to offer up a solid argument against my statement. Don't just sit there and laugh.

And I never turned this into a debate about 'morality' (if you read all the posts you would see others did). However, if that is where you want to take it, then be my gues, because the US has the most moral clarity of any nation in the world. Why you may ask? Well look at our depth, our diversity, and our tolerance. No other nation is as diverse as the US. No other nation allows as many immigrants into their lands as the US. No other nation has as many immigrants try to get to their lands as the US (do you think millions of people flock here every year because we suck?). No other nation is as tolerant to a diversity of religions as the US. No other nation is as forward in the womens right movement as the US. As France takes away the right of people to express their religious freedoms (recently passed a law banning any individual from wearing forms of religios expression, and as nations like Iran continue to beat/abuse/rape/murder/degrade their women, go ahead and sit there and tell me that we are morally wrong as a nation, because the FACTS stand behind us and we are years ahead of anyone else.

Anyone that thinks France isnt a problem, needs to pull their heads out of their asses. Are they a threat of war? No, of course not. Are they a foreign affairs problem? Yes, of course they are. There is growing anti-semitism in Iraq and their Gov't is making no significant efforts to halt it (that is why there has been a recent migration of French Jews to Isreal). France was also the primary nation behind the Oil-for-Food-Scandal. If you don't know anything about that, I recommend you sit down and google it to educate yourself. The French are not in Iraq today because many Gov't officials had 'cozied' up to Saddam, and helped him make billions of a 'humanitarian' project while they lined their own pockets with dollar amounts that would make Alex Rodiriguez jealous. France not a problem? Give me a break. They (meaning their Gov't) consistently add to the moral decline of this world, and they have shown no signs of changing. Get Jacque She-Rock out before he does more damage than he already has.

As far as Michael Moore goes...well let's just say that fool deserves a topic of his own.

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Well, you've certainly made quite a leap, there. You appear to bearbitrarily dictating who has a sound morality, and who has not, without explaining what exactly you think 'moral' is. So, go ahead. We can't talk about this unless you let us know what you think about ethics. What makes things moral or immoral? Do you have any principle with which to back up your claims, or are you just tossing this stuff out there off the top of your head? I mean, you seem to be saying that the war in Iraq was right, but why? Let's hear some foundations for these wild, broad-sweeping generalizations.

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^^^Hear, hear.

I like the phonetic spelling of Jacques Chirac.

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