Bush and the bush haters

ax_murderer

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There is one thing certain to go through Barack Obama's mind during the inauguration: at one point or another, while glancing at George W. Bush, he will consider the treatment that Bush got as president and hope to God he suffers nothing even vaguely similar.

It can be stated without fear of serious argument that no previous president has been treated as brutally, viciously, and unfairly as George W. Bush.
Bush 43 endured a deliberate and planned assault on everything he stood for, everything he was involved in, everything he tried to accomplish. Those who worked with him suffered nearly as much (and some even more -- at least one, Scooter Libby, was convicted on utterly specious charges in what amounts to a show trial).
His detractors were willing to risk the country's safety, its economic health, and the very balance of the democratic system of government in order to get at him. They were out to bring him down at all costs, or at the very least destroy his personal and presidential reputation. At this they have been half successful, at a high price for the country and its government.
Although everyone insists on doing so, it is impossible to judge Bush, his achievements, or his failings, without taking these attacks into account. Before any serious analysis of the Bush presidency can be made, some attempt to encompass the campaign against him must be carried out. I hope no one is holding his breath.
It's quite true that other presidents have suffered baseless attacks. Lincoln was generally dismissed as an imbecile, an unwashed backwoodsman, and an orang-outang (as they spelled it then). There exists an infamous Confederate cartoon portraying him with devil's horns and one foot on the Constitution. Next to no one at the time could have foreseen the towering stature Lincoln would at last attain.
Richard M. Nixon probably stands as the most hated president prior to Bush. But that was largely thanks to a relatively small coterie of east-coast leftists and their hangers-on, angered by Nixon's early anti-communism (which had become more "nuanced" by the time he took office, as the 1970 opening to China clearly reveals.). Nixon had the support of most of the country, the famed "silent majority", during his first term, and if not for his own personal failings, he would unquestionably have prevailed over his enemies. Difficult though it may be to believe, Nixon was only one paranoid slip away from being considered a great or near-great president
With Reagan, the coterie was even smaller and more isolated. His enemies continually underestimated him as a "B-movie actor" (which, by the way, showed a serious misunderstanding as to how the old studio system actually worked), and were just as continually flummoxed by his humor, his intelligence, and his unexcelled skill at communication. As the outpouring of public emotion surrounding his state funeral made clear, Reagan today stands as one of the beloved of all modern presidents.
Bush is alone at being attacked and denied support from all quarters -- even from many members of his own party. No single media source, excepting talk radio, was ever in his corner. Struggling actors and comics revived their careers though attacks on Bush. A disturbed woman perhaps a half step above the status of a bag lady parked outside his Crawford home to throw curses at him and was not only not sent on her way but joined by hundreds of others with plenty of spare time on their hands, an event covered in minute-by-minute detail by major media.
At least two films, one produced play, and a novel (by the odious Nicholson Baker, a writer with the distinction of dropping further down the ladder of decency with each work -- from sophisticated porn in Vox to degrading the war against Hitler in last year's Human Smoke) appeared calling for his assassination -- a new wrinkle in presidential criticism, and one that the left will regret. And let's not forget that tribune of the voiceless masses, Michael Moore, whoseFahrenheit 911 once marked the end-all and be-all of political satire but today is utterly forgotten.
While FDR was accused of having engineered Pearl Harbor (as if even an attempted attack on the US would not have been enough to get the country into WW II in real style), no president before Bush was ever subjected to the machinations of an entire conspiracy industry. The 9/11 Truthers, a mix of seriously disturbed individuals and hustlers out to pull a profitable con, accused Bush and his administration of crimes that put the allegations against Roosevelt in the shade, and with far less rational basis. These hallucinations were picked up the mass media, playing the role of transmission belt, and various fringe political figures along the lines of Cynthia McKinney.
But even this pales in light of the actions of the New York Times, which on its downhill road to becoming a weekly shopper giveaway for the Upper West Side, seriously jeopardized national security in the process of satisfying its anti-Bush compulsion. Telecommunications intercepts, interrogation techniques, transport of terrorist captives, tracking of terrorist finances... scarcely a single security program aimed at Jihadi activity went unrevealed by the Times and -- not to limit the blame -- was then broadcast worldwide by the legacy media. At one point, Times reporters published a detailed analysis of government methods of searching out rogue atomic weapons, a story that was no doubt read with interest at points north of Lahore, and one that we may all end up paying for years down the line. The fact that Bush was able to curtail any further attacks while the media as a whole was working to undermine his efforts is little less than miraculous.
As for his own party, no small number of Republicans (not all of them of the RINO fraternity) made a practice of ducking out on their party leader. Many refused to be photographed with him, several took steps to be out of town when he was scheduled to appear in their districts, and as for the few who actually spoke out in his favor... well, the names don't trip easily into mind. This naked pusillanimity played a large role in the GOP's 2006 and 2008 electoral debacles. Until the party grasps this, don't look for any major comeback.
And last but not least (I think we can safely overlook the flying shoes, which have been covered down to the last aglet), Bush is the sole American chief executive -- perhaps the sole leader in world history -- to have had a personality disorder named after him, the immortal Bush Derangement Syndrome. Few at this point recall that this was an actual psychological effort at diagnosing the president's effect on the tender psyches of this country's leftists. Was there a Hitler syndrome? A Stalin syndrome? The very existence of BDS says more about the left in general than it does about Bush.
What were the reasons for this hatred and the campaign that grew out of it? We can ask that question as often as we like, but we'll get no rational answer. All that we can be sure of is that Bush's actual policies and personality had little to do with it. Al Gore's egomaniacal attempt to defy this country's constitutional rules of succession merely acted as a trigger, giving the left a pretext to open up the attack. The same can be said about lingering bitterness over Bill Clinton's impeachment. While certainly a factor, it by no means accounts for a complete explanation. After all, did the GOP of the 70s go overboard in avenging Richard Nixon's forced resignation by working over Jimmy Carter? The best course was actually that which they followed, to allow Mr. Peanut to destroy himself.
As in all such cases, Bush hatred involves a number of factors that will be debated by historians for decades to come. But one component that cannot be overlooked is ideology, specifically the ideologization of American politics. It is no accident that the three most hated recent presidents are all Republican. These campaigns are yet another symptom of the American left's collapse into an ideological stupor characterized by pseudo-religious impulses, division of the world into black and white entities, and the unleashing of emotions beyond any means of rational control. The demonization of Bush -- and Reagan, and Nixon -- is the flip-side of the messianic response to Barack Obama.
There's nothing new about any of this. It's present in Orwell's 1984 in the "Five-Minute Hate" against the imaginary Emmanuel Goldstein, himself based on Leon Trotsky. The sole novel factor is its adaptation as a conscious tactic in democratic politics. That is unprecedented, and a serious cause for concern.
Being a Democrat, Obama has little to worry about, even with the far-left elements of his coalition beginning to sour on him. The ideological machinery is too unwieldy to swing around in order to target a single figure. Even if circumstances force him to violate the deeper tenets of his following, personal factors -- not limited to skin color -- will serve to protect him.
For the country as a whole, the prospects are bleaker. The left is convinced that hatred works, that it's a perfect tactic, one that will work every time out. They have already started the process with Sarah Palin, their next target in their long row of hate figures. They're wrong, of course. In a democracy, hatred is not a keeper, as the Know-Nothings, Radical Republicans, segregationists, Birchers, and many others have learned to their eventual dismay. But the process can take a long time to work itself out -- nearly a century, in the case of racial segregation -- and no end of damage can occur in the meantime. One of the byproducts of the campaign against Bush was to encourage Jihadis and Ba'athists in Iraq with the assurance of a repetition of Saigon 1975 as soon as the mad and bad Bush 43 was gotten out of the way. This time, the price was paid by the Iraqi people. But in the future, the bill may be presented somewhat closer to home.
And as for the "worst president in history" himself, George W. Bush has exhibited nothing but his accustomed serenity. Despite the worst his enemies could throw at him, his rehabilitation has already begun (as can be seen here, here, here, and here). He will be viewed at last as a man who picked up the worst hand of cards dealt to any president since Roosevelt and who played it out better than anyone had a right to expect. As Barack Obama seems to have realized, there is much to be learned from Bush, a man who appears to personify the golden mean, never too despondent, never too overjoyed, and never at any time overwhelmed.

Other presidents may encounter the same level of motiveless, mindless hatred, others may suffer comparable abuse -- but we can sure that no one will ever meet it with more equanimity than George W. Bush.
 
We can all copy and paste. Would you like to give that person credit? It was very well written.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804

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98% of the historians polled feel that his presidency was a failure.
 
wow ax_murderer making a political thread, what a suprise! thats all you talk about, at least this time your not poaching other peoples threads by turning them into political debates
 
ahhaha typical you just bitch that i didnt give him credit because you have nothing worthwhile to contribute. not quite sure why you posted that graph. still didnt give any rational reason why you hate him, but cool anyway. i guess if historians are doing it we all should to
that was J.R. Dunn from americanthinker.com
 
I was simply pointing out that, while you and J.R. think that he was treated "unfairly", many people consider him a failure.

I don't know enough about politics to get in another heated debate, and I'll admit it. But I know that he bailed out companies for fucking up, gave tax breaks to his friends (who can afford it), implemented the Patriot Act (goodbye, Bill of Rights), turned a blind eye to corruption (Madoff?), and "saved the world" by attacking Saddam Hussein and therefore eliminating the terrorist threat in the world. Thanks, George.

He'd be a baller wingman.
 
I mean I value everyones opinions, whether I think they are correct or not. However, like the guy a couple posts stated, when you just copy shit I completely disregard your point you are trying to get across. I am glad you can cmd c cmd v, but none of these words are your thoughts. You should of posted: here go to this website, theses guys have a valid point that I believe in. Or if you want to make it sound like yours somewhat (which I doubt you could do with this writing, b/c its written by intelligent people who cite their sources) at least take the hyper links out.
 
I just think that his whole life was built on his name, and he bs'ed his way through governing Texas, because well, its Texas, and thats how shit works down there, and then he bs'ed his way through the campaign in 2000, because well, thats what a campaign is all about. And then 9/11 happened and it came time to show his hand and the game was up, he was shown to be incompetent. And even that would've been okay if he had even keeled, non-idealogues telling him what to do. But he didn't. He had Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, the twin evil geniuses themselves, with their tentacles wrapped around his neck, poisoning his already limited decision making abilities.

I don't think he's evil, or planned 9/11 or lied to the country or whatever, I just think he was a mediocre business grad that rose too artificially high. Everyone hating him is just a market correction, they never should've liked him in the first place.
 
you can disagree with the man, you can agree with the man, you can make fun of him, or you can even hate him as most people do, however, you cannot disagree with this article. Bush has been one of the most hated presidents of our time. Yes, some things were his fault, some were not, some things he did not address and some things were unexpected; but all of them were problems he had to face. The media is to blame for most of it. remember people, Congress has a even lower approval rating than bush but they wont tell you that now will they.
 
exactly. Bush had to face a series of events that had never happened before. (I guess you might compare pearl harbor, but much of the world was at war so that should have been remotely expected) Bush dealt with them how he felt he should, and on some parts he was wrong. It happens.

Personally i don't blame him, President is one job i would never in my life accept even if it was offered to me without a campaign etc.

And i don't get the haters now, let it go. He has less than 24 hours left in office and then he'll probably never be of any significance again, except for his legacy. (anything that happens due to him) But seriously, i think people should just let it go and forget about him. Soon we'll have someone new and you can hate on him when he does anything wrong. (which people probably won't because its obama, the worldly, all knowing messiah of presidents. Not saying he sucks, but he hasn't even taken office yet and people are touting him as one of the best we've had)
 
I feel no matter what mistakes or bad choices/acts a president makes, it is completely disgusting to see the citizens of the U.S. to bash a president that badly. It is shameful to walk into my high school and see kids and teachers alike ripping on president Bush for choices he has made. Personally I didn't think he did the best either, but times were very stressful and hard and to see citizens be so harsh in times of struggle instead of supportive is quite sad and pathetic. Kids printing off comics that target Bush and teachers hinting at his faults aren't going to accomplish anything, instead they should pull the stick out of their ass and do something that actually will help out
 
he had a tough job, and i dont really think he was a good choice for president. i used to think that all the anti-bush shit was funny, the t shirts and mugs etc, but really it's dumb. and not really that healthy. even if you disagree, america as a whole were the ones who elected him and we have to live with it. Just cause he cut corners ethically does not stray away from the fact that he had good intention (at least for he people of his country).
 
since this thread started with cut and paste -- i'll let olbermann do my talking

8 years in 8 minutes

 
i apologize for the copy and paste. was unawares it would be so offending or annoying or whatever it is. i felt it was fairly obvious that i did not write the piece.
i just felt this was a well written article, much better than i could paraphrase, and it was worth people reading and contemplating. take it for what its worth.

 
I definitly dont think that Bush was the best choice for a presedent, and alot of unfair shady stuff happened under his presedency, but its so true; bashing people in politics gets you no where. He is another human being and yah he fucked up but all it does is pull people apart because there is always going to be someone who doesnt agree with you. And if your bashing on someone they like or agree with, then your not only disrespecting the polititian but your also disrespecting the people that side with the polititian.

btw- nice thread it was well written and deff had some valid point, all i can say is im happy we have someone new comming into office!! YEAH OBAMA
 
Oh and sorry about the double post but isn't Bush Derangement Syndrome a diss on leftists? Correct me if Im wrong
 
Because this is bullshit - You ask people what they think of "congress" and the response is negative. Ask people "What do you think of your congressman?" and the responses are positive.

People hate your congressman but like their own.

 
Wow, what an unbelieably biased account of historical events and baseless sympathy for Bush. I do agree that we were harsh on the guy, but not because he was Republican - it was because of his views, stature and 'accomplishments'.

No Child Left Behind

The Afghanistan War - [lol, remember?]

The Iraq War

The Trillions of Dollars of Debt

Stem Cell Research funding cuts

Higher Taxes and Incredible Debt even though he promised Conservative practices

The Oil Scandals

His Abortion Views

The Midnight Laws fucking up the environment [google it]

C'mon. Even though this author is trying for some sympathy (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I feel sorry for the guy, and I do agree with him on Social Security issues), you really can't find any reason to give the guy any leeway whatsoever. I'm not gonna say "lol he accidentally the economy," because I know it wasn't his fault, but really, He fucked us up didn't he? He left us with 2 unresolved and unfinished wars, massive debt, a failing economy, potentially destroyed environments, a destroyed culture and global credit, few friends, and a made America the center of hate and a laughingstock because of his foreign policy and his inability to articulate most five letter words.

But yeah, the media did propagandise a lot of what was going on. I would say shame on the media for it's partisan practices, but, to some degree, it needed to be done. I know that if it were left up to us, most of us would've rather watched spongebob than the news. The propaganda made it interesting again. for me at least. /post

ps. only opinion. no hate.
 
show this article to the families of the hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians killed under this pathetic excuse for a war.
 
Before anyone quotes me, I'm Republican. I have always been, and I will always be. I am Catholic, pro-life, pro-Bush, and voted for McCain. I am a rarity in California, with its overwhelming and heavy Leftist crowd.

Bush fucked up. He made bad decisions, and didn't listen to some of the people he should have. But, he tried. he dealt with more than anyone else can even dream of. Clinton didn't do anything in his presidency.

Here's something for you to think about.

George Bush has been in office for almost 8 years. The first six years, the economy was fine.

A little over a year or two ago:

1). Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;

2). Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3). The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

4). The DOW JONES hit a record High - 14, 000+

5). American's were buying new Cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, and Living large !

But Americans wanted 'CHANGE'!

So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right.

In the PAST YEAR:

1). Consumer confidence has plummeted;

2). Gasoline is now at $4 a gallon!;

3). Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);

4). Americans have seen their Home equity drop by TRILLIONS of DOLLARS and prices are still dropping;

5). Over 3% of American homes are in foreclosure.

6). THE DOW is probing another low

7). TRILLIONS of DOLLARS HAVE EVAPORATED FROM OUR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUND INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS !

YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR 'CHANGE' ... AND WE SURE GOT IT ! ....

REMEMBER . . . THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES,

Only CONGRESS has that power.

AND WHAT HAS THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS !!!!

I did not write that, copied and pasted from a facebook group.

The media has been on a campaign from day 1 against George W. Bush. They will always be on a campaign against Republicans. Yes Bush messed up in some respects, but he always did what he thought had the country's best interests in mind. The media made alot of shit up.
 
98% of 109 people, wow. cool story hansel.

maybe i would take this little "poll" more seriously if i had some sort of way to understand what their rubric for the bush presidency was.
 
what the fuck is with all this "he tried, he made his own choices so I respect him for that, blah blah" bullshit.

1) everyone makes decisions. the underlying connotation of this argument (since none of you want to say it outright) is that because he IS the president, he deserves validation. um, what the fuck???? this is apologist reasoning and it's garbage.

2) do people honestly still believe that the motives of bush/ cheney/ rumsfeld/ bremer for iraq were benign? humanitarian, even? wow, sad.

 
it looks as if the haters are beggining to hate....
just be happy he is almost gone.... dont hate you haters, hate has never done anything good in the world,
i really feel sorry for all the crap good ole george got, everyone makes mistakes and ill bet anyone that the democratic golden boy obama will make mistakes too....
im just sooooo sick of seeing all the hate on a leader that the people of america voted TWICE for.... he is/was your leader so just support him, you dont have to like anything he does, but saying you hate him isnt showing the world you believe in your country so why should the world believe in your country...
i will support obama, not because i think he will change washington and not because the media is... no i will support him because he was elected leader of the country i live in....
thats just the way i see it.....
 
oh yeah that makes sense... the President controls hurricanes...
where did you learn that was that in politics class or was that science i forget, but now that you mention it i remember seeing that the president controls hurricanes.... {sarcasm}

 
I hate on bush because i believe in my country-- even if he is my leader, that fact doesn't put him above the constitution which my country was founded upon. In fact my rejection (along with the majority of Americans) of Bush has

elicited hope for America from my international friends --completely contradictory from what you've said.

I don't understand -- if you truly believe in this country how can you justify his war without required Congressional declarations, his orders to spy on Americans, his policy of torture? Seriously get out there and do some reading -- Bush has earned all of the hate he's getting.

 
Obama says he's going to help everyone and give them change when...

His inauguration is going to cost 150 Million Dollars. How insane is that..

Bush's cost 40 Million dollars.
 
OH RIGHT MY BAD I FORGOT --- because after the hurricane it wasn't Bush who appointed Michael Brown head of FEMA it must have been the other president who decided a failed HORSE SHOW ORGANIZER would be a good choice.
 
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