Bush and the bush haters

i never said he didnt make mistakes did i???
your right i should read more than what i do, but still all your reading you do is just someone elses perspective on the event, yeah they might state all the facts, but they can manipulate them anyway they want... lol i should probably just stop now cause i really dont know all the facts, but i still believe you should still support the leader of your gaoernment even if you dont like what he does, you can protest that all you want, but you should never lose faith in your ELECTED official....
 
ahhhh not that i am a conspiracy theorist, but i dont think bush did win fairly, and Gore won the popular vote so america didn't really choose him
 
even in Drew's example? Hitler? sorry no thank you.

btw what's the difference between making a mistake and committing a crime?

at what point do you start holding people accountable for their actions regardless of their intentions or negligence?
 
idk but didnt the majority of the german people still like hitler well in to his campign as dictator?
and to that p-face guy, i knew what you meant when you first posted about katrina i just made fun of how it sounded....
 
^uh, for the most part you could see katrina coming from a few thousand miles away. and the people that could leave did, while the people that couldnt stayed behind and are the only ones who have the rights to bitch about katrina. if you werent there, stfu.
 
oh man that one hurt..... for real though i feel like a big dick for making fun of the people in new orleans.... oh wait i never said anything about them i believe i was laughing at you.....
 
I'm sorry i don't understand -- you're allowed to be upset by something only if you're immediately effected by it?
 
no it wasnt the right thing for them to do, from our perspective, if you were a german back in the day you supported him because that was your countries leader, what he said seemed right so they followed him and well that didnt end to well but, to me your question is somewhat rhetorical, to me/us in todays world we se it was a stupid thing to do, trust hitler,
but if you were a german back in 1930s you saw him as a "Obama" (im not sayin obama is the next hitler, no no im saying that he is a sybol for change) so they supported him.... idk i just think that we should always support our leaders..... if you dont see it that way than i dont really care....
 
Yes I agree that Bush may have crossed boundaries in the Patriot Act, but he did it in the interest of OUR safety in the United States. Who knows what these precautions have prevented, if they have prevented any, but I am willing to put some of my trust in our nations leaders that they are using the information they have to keep us safe and sound at home, even if that does mean stepping on our toes a little.
 
in this case yes. katrina had nothing to do with the government untill after it hit and destroyed new orleans since it is a "natural disaster". at that point it becomes political since we have the obligation to take care of our own country. there for the only people that can say anything negative about the way katrina was handled are the people that,

1. didnt get rescued by their families.

B. didnt get resued by their government.

The only way you could even begin to get mad at the government is by our warning/leave system being "unadequate" which is our own falt since we vote for the president every 4 years, science only moves so fast in any area or focus. So like i said, if you are mad about Katrina and you were not there and you have something to say about it, take a set back and kick yourself in the nuts first, and then decided if you want to talk about it. I recommend you stfu.
 
key word in my thing was trust. i can only hope that he only took only necessary precautions and nothing more in order to stop major threats like 9/11. defenitly not a fan of the patriot act, but i was trying to show how bush made choices to 'protect' the american public as he was elected to do.
 
Everyone shits on him but honestly, could anyone of us done it any better? Its easy to stand on the outside and criticize but seriously, being the president is a huge fucking job~ HUGE! I mean he had to deal with A LOT of shit~ The pressure that comes with the job is a crap ton and a half~ I dont like to publiclv take sides with this kind of stuff but seriously, just think about being the president for a second and tell me you wouldnt shit your pants when your responsible for 303 million peoples lifes

 
Tl;DR

Bush is a D Bag, he cheated in the first election, ass raped our civil liberties, entered a war over half the population didn't agree with while simultaniously pissing all over the graves of everyone killed in 9/11, failed hard at capturing Osama, and fell off a segway.

Obama is terrible too though so I'm not really excited. "I'm pretty inexperienced and medicre, and I don't really have any good original ideas, but I'm really good at spouting the same cliche liberal shit democrats have been spouting for ten years, and I'm black, so its cool."

Today I was flipping channels and the Oprah show was playing a clip of MLK's I have a Dream speech so I started watching it, and they they started cutting that shit with clips of Obama speaking. Bullshit. Like Obama even comes close to measuring up to MLK.

McCain was even worse though so we were pretty much fucked either way.
 
how come no one uses the statue of liberty version?

they that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety
 
If you're suggesting that I (by virtue of being a citizen) bear the responsibility of those I put in charge, why then do you not extend this sort of responsibility to Bush? I criticized his decision of who was put in charge of FEMA.

I do not need to experience the failure of the response to be able to make this criticism, I just have to think that i would have the sense not to put a failed horse show organizer in charge.

But to be honest i really can't even figure out your logic 1. people who didn't get rescued by their familes can be pissed off? At who? Bush? Why?

p.s . it goes 1. 2. not 1. B.
 
Isn't the answer to your question 'could anyone do better' an obvious yes? I guess i haven't explicitly told you but i didn't vote for him

there's a reason why there aren't 300 million candidates for president,

if you tell people you can do the job, you got to do it. Bush knew what

he was getting in to, i don't really understand the 'it's a tough job'

defense.
 
listen for it tomorrow, the American public elected him to fulfill his oath:

I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office

of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability,

preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

you cannot do what ever you want as president, even if it's for "our safety". Our safety exists in the upholding and respect of our constitution.
 
bush, yes, did screw up to a great extent, every president screws up to some extent. i just hope, that obama doesnt screw everything up really bad.

i am annoyed however, that my parents make JUST enough money that we get taxed like the upper echelon of people when we cant afford to get taxed that much with me in college.
 
To everyone that has said "he tried hard with his best intentions" - thats a bullshit argument. who the fuck cares if he tried or not. that keilth olberman (sp?) video shows what he did from start to end. I don't give a shit if he tried or not, he still failed.

To people saying he is just a guy like us - he's not. a president shouldn't be a guy just like us. he should be able to handle the pressure of governing a country, and everything associated with it.

To poeple saying we should support him because we elected him - (completely leaving out the part of the arguement where he didn't even recieve popular vote against gore) the hiltler example drew provided is more than enough to shut anyone up who's tried saying that.

To people feeling sorry for bush - he deserves every little bit of shit he has ever gotten, and I feel no sympathy for it.
 
1. vailid point but not an argument

2. he isnt a guy like us, he is the commander in chief

3. support the country: vote for senators

4. true
 
you know what the difference between a republican and a democrat is? republicans are atleast willing to give the man a shot and wish him well, and acknowledge when he does something good... democrates on the other hand, have a deep seeded HATRED of bush... same can be said about clinton, republicans will at least acknowledge he had his highs and his lows.

dont think its true... this thread is proof enough, PRESIDENT Bush has been called a retard, the whole list of immature insults, and it really lets the deep hatred shine through...

i am also going to go out on a prediction and say that how people commonly reffer to President clinton as just that "President" our former President Bush will not be given the same treatment in the comming years...
 
in fairness, regardless of how much you dislike clinton, he didnt fuck up nearly as many things
 
fine, lets go carter? actually NS is probably to stupid to know anything about him....

just my take though, IMO "my side" doesnt hate the way "the other side" does...

point is you never hear carter denigrated to the point of "fucking retard" or "8 years of hell" (as i hear about bush on almost a daily basis)

fuck, even on PMSNBC olbermen just said "8 year nightmare" 8 year horror story.

as if all 8 years under the mighty czar bush were that bad...

not hating at you ben, just getting it all off my chest.lol
 
i agree, carter was not a great president (though he done quite a bit since). idk i just think there are very few presidents that measure to bush's epic failure. hoover maybe. buchanan perhaps.

also saying the difference between dems and reps is that republicans will give the guy a chance? im in montana, and i cant count the number of kids that are convinced the country is doomed already.
 
you should never generalize

seriously though both parties are guilty of hate/love without reason, and there are plenty of people on both sides who actually take the time to compare the practices of one person to their personal values and make a rational assessment. When you say that it's clearly just a party thing, you sound just as immature as the haters.

 
Let me start out by saying this...

Most people in America are not allowed to call Bush an idiot. He is much more educated and has experienced far more than the average American who picks him apart vigorously. Also calling him the worst president ever is also a vast overstatement from people who know nothing of past president actions. He is definitely a bad president, but nowhere near to the likes of people like James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Andrew Jackson, etc. With that said, Bush's economic policies were a joke. Tax cuts were not what this country needed and neither was more embargos and restrictions on trade which he also vowed for. Thus increasing the trade deficit. Infrastructure was completely ignored during his term and thus we have bridges collapsing and organizations such as fema that are basically worthless. I could go on for hours and all I have to do is mention we made the same exact mistake with Afghanistan that we did in the 1990's maybe not to the same extent but close. The Iraq war I don't have to say anything about, we all know about that.

Now about these "facts"

1. Consumer confidence was at a high because we were in a housing bubble. Why you would even use this point I have no idea, but that's what happens in a bubble. The president has such a small effect on consumer confidence that if it was a real number it would look like .0000001. Also you could say that just before the great depression, but you can't blame that on the president. I award you no credit for this point.

2.Are you kidding me? Gasoline prices are a private market. Enough said. Definitely no credit for this point.

3. Solid point, unfortunately the president doesn't have much to do with that so maybe half credit on this.

4. Almost every president since 1900 has seen the dow jones hit its highest point. This is because the economy is at a consistent upturn and only in a few points in history that it has had a significant loss. No credit there.

5. Americans were doing that during the Clinton years. COuld go into further detail but this point is invalid. No credit.

Democratic election

1. Again, bubble bursted this is what happens. Not because of a democratic congress.

2. Can't believe you are trying to somehow correlate gas prices and democratic congress. Wow.

3. You need to learn math. 4.5%-5.5% is a 1% increase. Also not congresses fault.

4. This is due to the private sector of lenders and consumers NOTHING to do with the government. Again, no credit.

5. Private sector, not government.

6. With an economy there are lows and highs. Get used to it, it doesn't matter who's in office.

7. It hasn't "evaporated" it has been spent on interest money and such from people who did a lot of borrowing, much like Bush did.

Now, for all you people shouting Obama Obama Obama, please know that you haven't done shit to change this country other than put a black man in office. He is not going to somehow pull money from his ass and put it in your pockets. AMERICANS have to change. Americans have to be productive again and take cuts in pay. We need to get used to not being able to run up credit card bills and dare I say...Spend responsibly.
 
Also, we can't say Bush made bold decisions. He made stupid decisions and he needs to own up to it. Typical politician, he will never admit to his mistakes and that is why I can't respect him as a person. I could kill somebody and would you guys say that I may have done something wrong, but I made a quick decision and did it boldly? No so don't use that excuse.
 
obviously i do not believe that all democrats are like this and all republicans are like that...

"duh bush didnt have bad intentions but he's a fucking retard".

actually dude, if i were to sound as immature as the haters my post would have needed some of the same caricaturists as displayed by the quote i just inserted.

all i am saying is from my personal interactions republicans are just as tolerant and in some cases MORE tolerant than their liberal counterparts. (all in the context of my life though)
 
In the main article:

It's saying the extreme left is the one doing the hating? Are you kidding me? They definitely spread media hate for Bush out of control, but it is not as blatant as Fox News does it. The first thing Fox News does in an interview of someone from the left is introduce them as a "left-wing" in a demeaning tone. I don't see CNN reporters talking to right-wing people and saying "Now remember, our guest IS a right-wing conservative."

I'm just going to throw this out there and say maybe the reason Nixon was hated so much is because he was caught red handed cheating in politics? Reagan wasn't hated more than Jimmy Carter was by right-wingers. So no valid point there.
 
it proves we interact with different people.

i would also challenge you to find ANY thread devoted and filled with content of HATE towards ANY former president. i want carter compared to someone with a mental handicap, i want Roosevelt to be given a fair stick (Asian Americans you should be leading the charge on this) (but i bet NS is to under educated to know what i am referring to )

actually i would love to interact with more conservatives on a daily basis, where do you live? texas? i keed i keed :)
 
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