Bush administration tries to completely change national parks

skifree919

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So I just finished reading the NY times editorials, and I read one titled "Destroying National Parks." Apparently, a guy from the Interior Department named Paul Hoffman completely rewrote the national park's management policy without the knowledge or input of the actualy national park service. The new document would basically allow jetskis, snowmobiles, and any type of offroad vehicle into any national park at any time, with basically no limit on the amount. Anybody who has looked into this issue would know that it would completely destroy the whole vibe and meaning of what a national park actually is. Here is the copy of the editorial which appeared in today's NY times.

Destroying the National Parks

Published: August 29, 2005

Most of us think of America's national parks as everlasting places, parts of the bedrock of how we know our own country. But they are shaped and protected by an underlying body of legislation, which is distilled into a basic policy document that governs their operation. Over time, that document has slowly evolved, but it has always stayed true to the fundamental principle of leaving the parks unimpaired for future generations. That has meant, in part, sacrificing some of the ways we might use the parks today in order to protect them for tomorrow.

Recently, a secret draft revision of the national park system's basic management policy document has been circulating within the Interior Department. It was prepared, without consultation within the National Park Service, by Paul Hoffman, a deputy assistant secretary at Interior who once ran the Chamber of Commerce in Cody, Wyo., was a Congressional aide to Dick Cheney and has no park service experience.

Within national park circles, this rewrite of park rules has been met with profound dismay, for it essentially undermines the protected status of the national parks. The document makes it perfectly clear that this rewrite was not prompted by a compelling change in the park system's circumstances. It was prompted by a change in political circumstances - the opportunity to craft a vision of the national parks that suits the Bush administration.

Some of Mr. Hoffman's changes are trivial, although even apparently subtle changes in wording - from "protect" to "conserve," for instance - soften the standard used to judge the environmental effects of park policy.

But there is nothing subtle about the main thrust of this rewrite. It is a frontal attack on the idea of "impairment." According to the act that established the national parks, preventing impairment of park resources - including the landscape, wildlife and such intangibles as the soundscape of Yellowstone, for instance - is the "fundamental purpose." In Mr. Hoffman's world, it is now merely one of the purposes.

Mr. Hoffman's rewrite would open up nearly every park in the nation to off-road vehicles, snowmobiles and Jet Skis. According to his revision, the use of such vehicles would become one of the parks' purposes. To accommodate such activities, he redefines impairment to mean an irreversible impact. To prove that an activity is impairing the parks, under Mr. Hoffman's rules, you would have to prove that it is doing so irreversibly - a very high standard of proof. This would have a genuinely erosive effect on the standards used to protect the national parks.

The pattern prevails throughout this 194-page document - easing the rules that limit how visitors use the parks and toughening the standard of proof needed to block those uses. Behind this pattern, too, there is a fundamental shift in how the parks are regarded. If the laws establishing the national park system were fundamentally forward-looking - if their mission, first and foremost, was protecting the parks for the future - Mr. Hoffman's revisions place a new, unwelcome and unnecessary emphasis on the present, on what he calls "opportunities for visitors to use and enjoy their parks."

There is no question that we go to national parks to use and enjoy them. But part of the enjoyment of being in a place like Yosemite or the Grand Canyon is knowing that no matter how much it changes in the natural processes of time, it will continue to exist substantially unchanged.

There are other issues too. Mr. Hoffman would explicitly allow the sale of religious merchandise, and he removes from the policy document any reference to evolution or evolutionary processes. He does everything possible to strip away a scientific basis for park management. His rules would essentially require park superintendents to subordinate the management of their parks to local and state agendas. He also envisions a much wider range of commercial activity within the parks.

In short, this is not a policy for protecting the parks. It is a policy for destroying them.

The Interior Department has already begun to distance itself from this rewrite, which it kept hidden from park service employees. But what Mr. Hoffman has given us is a road map of what could happen to the parks if Mr. Bush's political appointees are allowed to have their way.

It is clear by now that Mr. Bush has no real intention of living up to his campaign promise to fully finance the national parks. This document offers a vivid picture of the divide between the National Park Service, whose career employees remain committed to the fundamental purpose of leaving the parks unimpaired, and an Interior Department whose political appointees seem willing to alter them beyond recognition, partly in the service of commercial objectives.

Suddenly, many things - like the administration's efforts to force snowmobiles back into Yellowstone - seem very easy to explain.

jibba jabba
 
It was allot of reading, but I found that whoever changed the law that prohibits And sort of allterrain vehicle has no idea f the damage that they do. If they were smart, they would change it back before any damage can be done.

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new york times editorial? i thought they would have nothing but glowing reviews of anything and everything that the admin does! shocking!

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God forbid we actually address the content of the editorial, let's focus on the three words at the top of the front page...

 
god fobid that we be so serious as to not understand that i didnt comment on the accuracy of the article... and that i dont care. mother of eff.

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wow...this is just the biggest load of shit i have seen in quite a while not only will now trails be built through the homes of animals but ruts will be left in these casuing wildlife to stop growing there we need to fucking wake up and realize how much fucking forest there is left i fucking hate how humans can be so selfish as to destroy not only precious nature and living thing's homes maybe nature is trying to tell us something by sending katrina into new orleans (well no i know thats not true but still) we need to fucking wake up and smell the garbage what we have wont last too long unless we preserve it whoever proposed this idea needs to go to a national park and walk around through it i hope they get eaten by a bear but if they dont it will really open your eyes to see what woods look like without camps and roads and houses fuck you bush administration you've really done it this time

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woah woah woah.... this "secret" document was drafted by someone who was once somewhat related to DICK CHENY!!!???!??! THE DARK LORD OF THE SITH DICK CHENY?!?!?!?!? NO!!!!!!!!!!! its going to, wait a minute.... let me catch my breath... ALLOW THE SALE OF RELIGIOUS MERCHENDISE IN NATL PARKS!!?!?!?!??!?!? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! will that include native art? cause.... yeah.

as far as jet skis and that crap, im fine leaving em out of the parks. keep tahoe blue and all that you know. 2 stroke engines never did anyone any favors....

but wait... did it say that all of these secret sinister changes are directly the doing of the president? figures... that dirty calculating evangelical... im sure he was pulling ALL the strings on this one... sheesh.

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The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
isnt there more acres of forest land in north america today than there was in like 1790? i could have sworn...

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are you retarded? maybe in the east there was where they were lumbering but think about it how much of the US does new england and some of the south take up? yea thought so...

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all i know is that if so much a piece of Yosemite is touched, heads will roll...

as for the article, i don't care if its insinuated that dick cheney is the devil, that the president is behind it, because it doesn't matter in the least, those jabs are common...

this is a sad day for some of the most beautiful places on earth if this really takes effect... can you imagine a bunch of SUVs in neutral in the buffalo fields of yellowstone? this is not a good thing... at all.

the point is to keep such vehicles out of the parks, to keep them preserved for future generatons, not to make a profit in commercial activities, what, a Grand Canyon Mall? take the trip, leave the car, walk in some untouched nature, and to witness God's beauty in this world, thats the point... not enjoying what you can do on a reservoir 2 miles from the city...

- Patty

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youre awfully cocky arent you? i guess i was wrong in my original guess... forest area has changed little since the 1920's, with most of the clearing of forest land for agriculture having been done in the 19th century. reforestation keeps up with, if not surpasses the ammount taken by contemporary logging. (thats really in the best interest of logging companies, as it will provide a future asset for them... anyhow, dude, youre a swineherd.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
nature smatchure....i want the world to be like corroscont (sp) from star wars, u know the planet that is 100% city....

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that fuckin sucks... I'm glad to live in canada but what will happen to all those great national parks that you have? I mean how can they do that? i can't understand... it's a national park...where wildlife is preserved...

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Yes i realize it is an editorial, and that everything they are saying will probably not happen, but still, how could anybody even propose this? Are they retarded? National Parks aren't meant to be used by ATV's, wave runners and snowmobiles just cruising around the parks without any boundaries or anything.

jibba jabba
 
If you really look into the empire that is controlled by national forestry and their agenda to rid the United States of everything but tree hugging, you would see how corrupt it really is.

Its absolutely ludacrous. Also, before you draw any conclusions about how Bush and Cheney want to single handedly destroy all national foresty land, please do yourself a favor and try to read the other side of the story. There are always two sides to every story.

 
Uh, before this turns into a mangled debate, I think it would be wise to actually find a copy of the “revised� management policy. Its not like this is secret sensitive information, so it shouldn’t be that difficult to find a copy of the documents. Getting an opinion from reading the editorial is like critiquing The Constitution without you actually reading it. I doubt any of you here have read it the NP policy...thus you can’t have an informed opinion. Only idiots allow themselves to get spoonfeed someone else opinion. It is an editorial after all.

I rather draw my own conclusions by actually reading the policy rather than taking some random journalist’s word for it.

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thats true, but according to the editorial, the new policy was something like 194 pages. So, although it would probably solve the problem, I don't really plan on actually reading that whole thing.

jibba jabba
 
If no one is going to read it, wouldn’t it then be foolish take a side?

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saaaaweeeet i can go 4 weeling in more places

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i will take the side that protects the parks from vehicles and keeps the focus on the preservation.

- Patty

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Absolutely correct I will not take a side or point fingers at anyone but i will say it would be a big mistake to allow some of these proposed changes especially about offroaders and jet skis

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I would prefer to have a grasp of the circumstances. Then I would be able to find who is/should be responsible. For all we know the editorial could be totally true or false. The fact that its an editorial gives about zero value to me. I frankly don’t care what some journalist in a stuffy office building thinks. I’ll look at the documents first, and then take a side. I would likely take the side that benefits the greatest amount of people, whatever it may be.

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haha i know dude! i am so happy, no more government being gay and setting aside land for no one to use, so it sits there...wow nature, fucking awsome, now lets go tear it up!!! and all you gay kids that say dirtbikes and fourwheelers mess shit up, bite me, no they dont they are fun, more fun than hiking and looking at birds through bonoculars.

-kulpy-

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yeah i agree i would need to read said document to make my mind up completely about wether this is a bad thing... but for me, i don't care for pointing fingers at Bush or whatever, its not important to me, but the ptreserveation of the parks is... if it is changed, as he said, to allow SUVs, ATVs and jetskis into national parks, that alone would make me not be in favor of the document.

it is an editorial, but surely there are some facts between his bush administration jabs?

- Patty

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Thats exactly what I meant. Yes its an editorial, but yes it has to be based on something. The fact of the matter is, I don't want any of these things in national parks.

jibba jabba
 
Godfuckingdamnit. This is the last thing I want to here. There is nothing I love more in this nation then the national parks, nothing. It fucking hurts me to see this shit, and I doubt it will happen, but fuck it pisses me off. Fuck that shit, Bull Moose 08, whos with me.

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1939-2005

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Regardless of what the new policy is or what the journalist is attempting to convey, I do not think loosening park regulations in respect to automobiles, as was inferred by the poster, is a good idea.

National parks were created for a reason and to accept this access deregulation would be to defy the entire purpose of the parks' existence (and this could and probably IS the intention of those proposing these changes).

But that's just me. I feel like we should leave some things preserved.

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Point #1:

7/08/04

(CNSNews.com) - The Bush administration is fulfilling its pledge to preserve the nation's national parks, a report released Thursday by the Interior Department said.

The report, "America's National Parks: Investing To Preserve Their Future," outlines the record levels of funding for maintenance projects, preservation of park resources and visitor and employee safety.

President Bush planned to invest $4.9 billion for maintenance backlog needs and is meeting that pledge with more than 4,000 improvement projects that are either completed, planned or underway, according to the report.

According to the report, the National Park Service has been funded better than other non-defense agencies in recent decades. Operating funds have increased 352 percent since 1980 with overall domestic increases of 138 percent.

"The report shows that this Administration has almost tripled funding to preserve our national parks," chairman of the Subcommittee on National Parks George Radanovich said in a statement. "California alone has received over $229 million for its national parks and other national treasures since President Bush came into office."

Point #2:

If you want to hear the flipside of the argument, there's info at

http://cindysheehan.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/27/21332/0479

and in the LA Times at:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-parks26aug26,0,1127124,full.story

The problem with these sources is that they never mention facts, numbers, or anything solid. The whole arguments are based off heresea.

The truth is that even if all this goes into affect and Bush singlehandedly tries to destroy all of the national parks, the Interior and the Park Service have always had the right to change the service's management polices at any time.

Point #3:

Paul Hoffman, who is in charge of fish and game, and who is the man responsible for this contraversy said himself that he just wanted to get conversation going on it. "Paul Hoffman was playing devil's advocate. He was saying, 'Show us, the political appointees who make policy, why do you do things the way you do?' It was a starting point.

Point #4:

The changes he had suggested are not Anywhere near as big of a deal as some of these people are making it out to be. The changes include expanding cell phone towers, snowmobiling on paved roads, and lower-flying tour planes.

Do you realize that in the USA alone there are 155 national forests containing almost 190,000,000 acres (769,000 km2) of land.

Do you realize how much land that is?

Do you realize how much control and power that has given to these organizations?

Please, if you know anything about the corruption behind the forestry then you would know how badly it needs change.

 
thank you for finding some real info on this...

though this scares me:

"The changes he had suggested are not Anywhere near as big of a deal as some of these people are making it out to be. The changes include expanding cell phone towers, snowmobiling on paved roads, and lower-flying tour planes."

1: why do you need to have cell phone reception inside parks? its like in a movie, only more sacriligeous, if your phone rings when people want the calm of nature, not to be reminded of their jobs...

2: lower flying tour planes= higher noise pollution + higher risk of accident. that is not good in any sense.

3: snowmobiling= noise pollution aswell, and to make the paved roads you would need to clear some forest, put rest stops, buld emergency towers and the like; you are not aiming at untouched nature anymore, but a guided tour in a motorized vehicle along a road that did not exist before in the park...

some things i disagree with in that. the funding as has been said is enormous, and thats is awesome, why put it to waste to make roads for snowmobiles and towers so someone can talk about the market shares in yellowstone?

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Because national forestry land accounts for 190,000,000 acres. Which is an absolutely massive amount of land. That doesn't just constitute famous national parks. That entails wasteland, land in the middle of big cities, and everything else. This has given the forestry department huge amounts of control and political power.

The plan to expand cell phone towers doesn't mean they are going to smack one right in the center of Yosemite, there's sections of densely populated areas that don't get any service because forestry controls everything surrounding them.

I live out in California, and I do not get any service in the town I live or in the neighboring cities for that exact same reason.

It's absurd.

Regarding snowmobiles: I never saw any mention of them creating new roads for snowmobiles? What Hoffman suggested is that snowmobiles will be able to use the main roads that already exist.

 
aaaahhh, now i get what you mean about cell phone reception, and yes, that is absurd.

as for the snowmobiles, i was just quoting what was posted and saying my opinion as to what i understood... sorry for not understanding it...

- Patty

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Ghostdragon you make some really good points, gotta give it to you. Hoffman, to me at least, sounds like quite the politician. First, he creates this whole document, which obviously causes tons and tons of debates, and then he just says it was only made to spark the debate? That sounds a little bit fishy to me. I mean really, would you seriously take months to make 194 page document, simply to spur conversation and debate? I really don't think so. I personally don't know much on the whole idea of the corrupt forest service and whatnot, but now that you mention it, it does make sense.

jibba jabba
 
Well played, as usual.

I, however, am not familiar with the corruption you speak of...if you could give me a brief description of how this corruption occurs I'd appreciate it, just cause it's something I know nothing about and I'd like to know.

The whole cell phone thing isn't a big deal to me. They're a part of life now. In addition, cell phone towers aren't THAT much of an eyesore. Of course their existence will mean new roads, power supplies, etc. so I can see why people don't want them...but hey, people need service as you know.

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almostaskier: no problem. I can see how was kind of misleading.

skifree: You're right. I'm sure he has more motive behind this than to simply stir up debate, I'm sure he wants to bring change to the way national forestry works. But change is not necesarilly a bad thing.

First thing; look back over how much land the forestry agency control in the US. 190,000,000 acres.

Which comes around 300,000 square miles. For comparison, the entire area of the UK is 93,727 miles. The agency control 300,000 square miles which include some of the most valuable and sought after land all across the United States.

That gives them an extreme amount of power. Many politicians want parts of that land for their own agenda, and the agency is willing to negoatiate.I remember going through public records in the past and coming across several times where politicians made huge sums of donations to some of these agencies and shortly after that, large areas of land surrounding the politician's jurisdiction was closed off and marked as 'wildlife habitat' or opened up for development.

Across all 190 million acres, the agency is excluded from laws, rules, and regulations that hold the rest of the United States in check. They have the freedom and right to rule it as they wish. Did you know that on that land, the US forestry has more jurisdiction and power than the police do anywhere else? They can seize items, impound your car, fine you, among other things, and in ways that the police can't?

I will tell you a story that will sum it up. I live in an area between Yosemite national park and Lake Tahoe - which are two of the most controlled and regulated areas in the United States, so I'm right in the middle of it. The town I live in is small, and the only thing it has had going for it are motorcycle trails. My family is all into riding motorcycles and that was one of the reasons why we had moved here. You can jump on your motorcycle right from our house and head down trails.

Well, there's an older woman who built her house a few miles from here, and she put it right in the center of the busiest track. She complained to the different commisions and told them that she couldn't stand the noise and that they need to do something about it, they tried working with her but she refused. She insisted that she won't be happy until they stop all of the motorcycles. She works for national forestry and ended up starting a group of her own called CORE. She got her friends together who would march around, rally, and protest motorcycles around here. A few years ago, my friend was riding one of the trails on his motorcycle, came around a turn and hit a huge log that they had set across the road. My friend flew off his motorcycle, cracked his helmet, and got injured because of it. This happened to a number of people around here, and they could've easily died because of it.

The group started supporting, sponsoring, and making donations to a woman who was the local governor around here, who also just so happened to be involved with core. They recently passed a new bill which would shut down all of the motorcle trails around here. People were outraged. All the people in this whole county convened and held meetings to protest it. They took it to the government and was told that they would need about 1,000 signatures to fight it. They were only given about a week's time to gather them too. The people ended up gathering 10 times the amount needed, they sent the petition into the government, but they supossedly didn't get it until 'a day after the deadline', so they deemed it invalid. So, the law passed, and now all of the trails in my town have been shut down. The motorcycle trails were the only reason anyone ever came here, and now it's gone. Business owners are infuriated because they've lost alot of business, citizens are up in arms because none of the trails are usable now, but a few women who work for the forestry are happy. So that's all that matters right?

I attended a banquet a few years back, and one of the top ladies with forestry and also a member of the activist's group was there. Some one at the table had asked her if she was happy now that motorcycles are no longer allowed around here. She responded "No. All I need is more money, and more support and we will shut down the ski resort, snowmobiles, atv's, and horseback riding"

 
THE EXPLOITATION OF ANTHONY BACON,

by: pizza

As many of you well know, anthony bacon has committed many war crimes, not against humanity but against the world of skiing. The east coast plays a large role in not only the ski industry but also in the up-and-coming of many skiers, some are pros now, some are well on their way to becoming pro. kids from crews such as the bogart crew and the waterville team have been overly exploited by bacon.

Bacon has intertwined himself within the heart and soul of skiing as a major repersentative for anon goggles and as a shitty ass film maker that recieves street creds that is not deserved. Because of his chubby grasp on the ski industry, he is able to get away with his evil doings. To start things off i will discuss why his excuss for cinematograhy should not be in existance today:

His movies are taken of skiers that are unaware of his presence at are put in the movie without consent or credit.

His movies are poorly shot because of incognito essense of his shots ruining the reps of many respectable skiers.

The professionals in his movie are only related through his bullshit job with anon. In fact most of the riders like Bibby and Schiller werent even aware they were in the movie untill they saw the trailor online.



He gives no credit to half of the athletes in his movie. There are shots in this years film, of people who have been given no recognition, and are just thrown into other peoples seggies.

He is a man that makes promises left and right that he has no intention whatsoever of carrying out. He hasnt ever given out any of the awards that he has in his "contests" and he is constantly screwing over all the athletes that he films with.

Pretty much in conclusion of the H3NIGGER side of things he is the most unprofessional and dishonest person in the industry.

Shall we discuss his involvement with anon?

yes by golly i think we shall...

The breakfast ham runs his affairs with anon even worse than the way he runs his company H3O. He has a funny idea of sponsorship which apparently means that by giving a kid one pair of free goggles (no contract etc.) that he has full ownership of that skier, and that when they do well he can claim them as a rider.

CanadianBacon is constantly lying to all of his athletes! from what i hear, nobody except for Banks Gilberti ever recieves any of their promised and deserved product. Is this a coincidence that he is the owners son?



In conclusion anthony buttface lies to everybody that he works with, produces poor films of athletes that are unaware they are even being filmed, and has gained himself the worst possible reputation ever in the ski community.

Tony Bacony i hope you get what you deserve!

 
That's one of the most fucked things I've ever read. I'm pissed and I don't even live there. Holy shit I need some air.

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CHHHH!!!!! the north pole of coruscant ISN'T covered in city. everyone knows that.

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Ghost dragon, youre wikkid hawt.

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When she places them in front of you

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The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
wow, that is extremely messed up... is there anything much a county in arms can do to change the ruling, or do they have absolute control over "their" land?

- Patty

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