Bumpers--questions for you

Natedogg

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Specifically, east coast bumpers... Anyone have a reccommendation for a 27 year old who wants to take a bump lesson? I think the regular 'Perfect Turn' or whatever crap they have here wouldnt be enough for me, whereas I dont want to drop $1500 on a camp in Whistler.

Also, I posted this in another forum too--anyone have delamination problems with the Rossi Moguls? Mine delam'd under the binding last year. Im 6'4, 215lbs--am I too heavy for them? I want to buy another pair, but I wont if this might happen again. I ski bumps 75% of the time Im on the mountain.

Nate

 
not regular instructors like in a prefect turn thing the instructors for this program are all freestyle certified or level three which is as far as u can go teaching

 
another thing you can do is contact the ski school at an area you are thinking of going to and see if they have any Examiners, DCL, or DEV team instructors. You might be able to line something up to ski with one of them. It might cost a little more, but the instruction should be top notch.

Where would you be looking to learn more in bumps?

 
What is DCL or DEV?

> Where would you be looking to learn more in bumps?

How do you mean 'where'? You mean location or in what area of bump skiing?

I would like to learn anything about bump skiing, as I have not taken a lesson. All Ive learned is from watching BustNBurn. Those kids are nuts!

Any bumps at Nashoba??? Im looking for somewhere close to Boston that I can go to ski bumps instead of taking a 3 hour ride up to the Rivah.

 
if you are in quebec, go to FQSA.com (site will be up soon) or in eastern canada. go to freestyleski.com

a good club s the one of mont-gabriel, where mostly all the national-level athletes come from.

that is if you want to compete..if you just want ot get good, and are a visual person, tape the world cup...watch it, and try to do the same..its a good way to start, and it is cheap.

as for your ski, mogul skis are special skis, if you skis on your ass, or land to much back seat, most of them will delam...

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if you are in quebec, go to FQSA.com (site will be up soon) or in eastern canada. go to freestyleski.com

a good club s the one of mont-gabriel, where mostly all the national-level athletes come from.

that is if you want to compete..if you just want ot get good, and are a visual person, tape the world cup...watch it, and try to do the same..its a good way to start, and it is cheap.

as for your ski, mogul skis are special skis, if you skis on your ass, or land to much back seat, most of them will delam...

if you have more question...pm me.!

Drink 1 BASE a day, Keep the doctor away.

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if you are in quebec, go to FQSA.com (site will be up soon) or in eastern canada. go to freestyleski.com

a good club s the one of mont-gabriel, where mostly all the national-level athletes come from.

that is if you want to compete..if you just want ot get good, and are a visual person, tape the world cup...watch it, and try to do the same..its a good way to start, and it is cheap.

as for your ski, mogul skis are special skis, if you skis on your ass, or land to much back seat, most of them will delam...

if you have more question...pm me.!

Drink 1 BASE a day, Keep the doctor away.

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Whatever you do, don't go through the ski school. They don't know anything about moguls. Most mogul coaches are friendly enough to give anyone some free tips, but if you want a lesson I am sure you could find a coach at a local hill that would be willing to do a cheap 1-2 hour clinic...

 
^I would disagree. I work at Nashoba, and I'll admit, I wouldn't recommend taking a 'lesson' per se. But if you could line up a private with a DCL (Development Clinic Leader), DEV Team member, ETS (Examiner Training school), or Examiner at an area the time spent will be worth it. Hell pretty much any Level 3 Certified Instructor should be able to help as well. DCL, DEV Team, ETS, and Examiner are all ranked above Level 3 in PSIA, and their time is very worth the money.

As far as general lessons, I wouldn't bother, it is not going to be what you are looking for.

Yes Nashoba has bumps (if you wanna call em that), but they are usually pretty random, and ill-formed (too many wedge-turners forming bumps), but they can be good for getting used to not having a true line.

 
some of the skiing oriented high schools might have someone that can help a lot, check out Gould Academy (I think its Gould at Sunday River), but if you interested in skiing with an Examiner or someone, I know there is at least one Examiner on staff there (Rick something), and maybe more as well as others that could really help.

sorry I can't be more specific.

 
Just ski them and try to absorb, reach with your poles, and stay in the lines. Over and over and over.

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Natedog, what are you looking to improve? A zip-line type approach or general technique/skills in bumps?

 
Zipline baby! I want to noodle like a real noodler! ;)

Seriously, yeah, zipper-line. Not old-fogey-style ski-them-to-get-through-them. I can pretty much ski good lines and rip pretty well, but when my buddy videos me, I know my form is off a bit. I have trouble bending--where do you bend?

I also get freaked on steep bump fields (ie., upper White Heat, or even Agony when the bumps get big and deep, some parts even of Outer Limits, I suppose, too). My buddy who is faster than me just jumps from crest to crest. From watching good bump skiers, it seems like thats NOT the way to ski bumps. Dont you want to have you skis in contact with the snow all the time? I try to keep my skis glued together, dip the tips into each trough, absorb impact by bending at the waist, keep my weight forward by pressing my shins into the front of my boots, and kinda hit each bump as a glancing blow. I have a feeling this is wrong, so Id like to get out and find someone who can tell me what to work on. Im sure my pole plants suck, too. All the good bump skiers I see have their poles in front of them chopping at the air/bumps like slicing and dicing.

 
as far as any bending, you should be bending in your ankles, knees, and waist. Your upper body should remain pretty static. If you spend a lot of time in the bumps you might want to get shorter poles, and limit your pole touch movements to you wrists (your pole touches are when you are in a compacted state and are not too far in front of you - you shouldn't be reaching way out). Ideally your tips should always be driving into the snow and reaching for the next bump.

It shounds like you have a good idea as to what you need to do and what is right (correct stance, balance point and whatnot) just sounds like you could use some practice and ideas. One thing you can do to practice (out of the bumps) is called pivot slips. Its a straight side slip, where your skis have to be flat and basically as you slide sideways your skis do 180 degree turns under you (just think about turning without turning - your momentum continues down the fall line, your skis go from side to side, and your upper body remains pretty constant and facing down the hill).

I would be willing to bet that if you started steering your skis a little more your upper body and pole touches would probably smooth out a little (and remember to keep your feet under your body - not as easy as it sounds).

Biggest trick to steeper lines and deeper troughs is speed control, which is harder to do if you are zip-lining. You need to use the amount you absorb, the amount you steer the skis, and the amount pressure you use when you hit the bump and go into the next one. Try going a little slower than normal in the steeper lines (which will force you to have proper form).

Also, why not attack the bumps with multiple tactics. I ski bumps probably about 3-5 different ways each bump run. Keep practiceing your zip-line, but develop a more fluid method too. The more different techniques you are comfortable using the better you will be able to adjust to the terrrain and conditions. 1 approach is not always the right answer (although it might be a little more fun).

When you practice go as slow as possible, speed hides all flaws, going slow will allow you to tell what your skis/body/movements/terrain are telling you. Once you learn to ''listen'' to all the variables, and you are comfortable with the movements/skills you need to attack the bumps, you will be more confident, less likely to panic (not saying you do now), and smoother through the line of your choice.

One last thing, don't forget to pay a lot of attention to what is coming up, if the line sucks, get out or change it, be ready/expect the unexpected, and you'll be skiing better in no time. Just remember that things don't change over night, they take time.

I hope I didn't forget anything, my fingers hurt.

 
i might repete some of ^ cuz i didnt read it all..

but first, get short poles, you want to put your pole on the back or the top of the bump coming...your hands decide of your speed..faster you move your poles, faster you will want to go fast.

Try to roll your knees...like put your left knee behind the right one, and then the contrary...do it on flat, and then try in mogul...

also, try to always keep your back straight( like a tree, compared to the hill..)

of course you always want to stay in contact with snow, because skis goes faster on snow than in the air...

find some roller..try just to absorb them,

if possible, ski in natural bumps, not perfect...then, when you get in mechanical made bumps, its a joke...when you have to make your own line, it helps you to understand how to ski bumps...you have to think about what you are doing, and not only think about the fact that you should try not to fall...

when its more steep, just sideslip to the bump, and absorb it, its the way to ski bump...when you will get better, you wont realise that you sideslip...because you will go faster..

if you have any more questions, just ask me..i dont really know what to tell you, dont really know what you are looking for.

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another good thing too, is to think about how your feet(ankles) react to peddling a bike backwards (except in bumps your feet would work together). You start somewhat compressed, feet under you (top of bump), your feet go slightly behind you toes pushing down (skiing down the bump, pushing the tips down), legs extended under you, then pulling the tips up a little as you re-compress (skiing into/up the next bump).

This is a little hard to describe in text, but try it. Hold one foot up, and pretend to peddle backwards, and think about going over a bump, its the same movements.

Another good warm up too (to get the body working as a piston) is to traverse the bumps, hold you upper body static, and drive the toes down the bump and back up the new bump, try to be fully compressed as you crest the bump, and fully extended into the gullys.

Natural bumps are great to practice on as they do not always have the most obvious rythm. The key to bumps (in my opinion) is to remember that bumps are formed by turning. If you can find that turning rythm in the bumps, your line may look odd, but it will make sense.

Nothing beats the look on peoples faces as you crank gs type turns through a bump field smoothly. Most importantly, have fun.

 
I got short poles--unintentionally. Then I found out that they were great for bumps (although when freeskiing all-mountain I find myself miffing pole plants cuz the damn things are so short).

Pocketrocket--when you say put your knee behind the other--you mean inside the other--like spooning with a chick?!? How does that help??

And about side-slipping the bumps--you mean kinda just sliding into each mogul and turning? I do that when its icy. Is that an okay way to ski bumps? It almost looks like the good bump skiers do that, but I wasnt sure if thats the right way. Some of those dudes rip so fast I cant even tell how their feet are moving!

Anyway, your guys' messages might be BETTER than me taking a lesson! Thanks a lot, much appreciated! Merci Pocket.

 
the knee thing is to roll your knees..its the way to ride the bump man...and yeah, sliding to a bump is kinda the right way...

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Natedog, I basically typed up my typical bump lesson (some instructors can teach bumps! and I am in no way saying that all can).

I don't want to try to speak for pocket-rocket, but side slipping in bumps can be a valuable way to control your speed in the bumps (personally, I call it slide and slam - slide down the bump (speed control), slam (not necessarily if you are doing it right) into the new bump face, let the skis turn, and do it again) and can also force you to be in balance (controling your slip), and ski with flat skis (allowing your skis to ''twist'' under you instead of carving through the turn).

 
^ wanna teach bump with me? you explain, i show how...ahaha..just kidding..

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bumps are fun, I always hated em (felt clostrophobic - easier to say than spell) until I basically stopped trying to think about it, and just skied em.

The thing that made the biggest difference was realizing the bumps are there to help you turn and not an obstacle to be avoided at all costs.

 
bumps happen, some of the best powder days I've skied ended up non-stop bump runs by the end of the day.

May as well learn how to have fun in em and ski em as well as possible.

And some people just like bumps.

 
Crystal something dont likes bump cuz he probably cant ski them, like 95% of the people that dont like bump and say its gay...

when you can ski bump, you have skills to ski almost anywhere...

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Errrm, ok, I guess my last post didnt come up.

I like bumps. A-LOT.

'More like, one in a million.'

'So youre tellin me theres a chance!'

 
some good points, um don't think anyone metioned this, your body should be perfectly stacked, meaning you should be able to draw a straight line from your feet to your hips to your head, absorbtion and extension are the key to skiing fast on steep deep lines, each time you absorb it will slow you down, and drive you tips and push your hips forward like your humpin on the backsides. also keep your hands far forward you can never have them to far forward it will keep you out of the backseat. and keep your head up you should look atleast 3 moguls ahead of where you are. a good way to practice your absorbtion is go to a relatively flat mogul run and for about a 20-30 bump section just ski staight no turns and just absorb and extend in the line and if you do it properly you will be able to control your speed

peace

 
Mrb's got very good tips...

I personally would recommend going to a mogul camp, SMS to be exact. I know it's expensive, but it's loads of fun and the coaching is amazing.

If you don't want to spend the money, here's the best tips I picked-up ( mostly the same as what Mrb wrote):

1. Good pole planting is key for balance. Keep your arms in front of you at all times and to plant, wrist flick forward to the back or top of the upcoming mogul. If your arms are drawn sideways (this happens to a lot of people), it screws up your balance so try planting earlier and further down the bump.

2. Good adsorption and extension will allow you to control your speed.

3. Always keep your upper body straight and your vision up (look at least 4-5 bumps down)

I hope this helps, but from personal experience, there is nothing better than getting one-on-one coaching 'cause thye can pinpoint your specific problems... www.smartmogul.com

 
oh i see how it is, my advice isn't good enough eh. ya SOB >:0

;)

I agree that you should buy yourself a vacation to SMS next summer. Or at the very least check out the Killington/OL crew as someone above mentined. Or just come out here and I'll coach ya for free(!) you gotta buy my lift tix tho ;)

ya, all those guys above gave good advice. I liked the advice about skiing bump runs a few different ways, with diff intent each time...that way you experience more aspects of the mechanics and can tie em all together when you need to.

There's so much i could type right now that would probably help you, but sometimes saying too much at once gets too confusing... basically it boils down to (1) staying stacked (head is above waist and feet at all times) with a quiet upper body, (2) absorb the moguls with as much of your range of motion as possible, while maintaining ski to snow contact (like you said about dipping your tips into the troughs down the backside of each bump), (3) speed control by maintaining forward balance (get in the backseat and you're done for) and turing skis more across the fall line when you need more speed control (i.e. steeper bumps), and (4)balanced, quiet pole plants (arms straight out in front, forearms level, hands 6' apart, flex only at the wrist). I believe that you shouldn't even focus too much on pole plants at your stage, just keep your arms out in front and your brain somehow figures out the timing. I'll bet your biggest problem is speed control...you rip 10 or 15 bumps smooth then you get in the back seat and it's all over. You gotta focus on controlling your speed by turning across the fall line more when you need to and keep your hands/weight forward. Basically, you turn across the fall line by absorbing the frontside of the bump, then as you extend down the backside, roll your knees in the dir of the turn so your skis go across the fall line...then absorb the frontside of the next bump and roll your knees the other way as you go down the backside of the bump. Knee drive.

Alright, i'm sick of typing so just buy a goddam plane ticket and get yer ayss out here

 
> oh i see how it is, my advice isn't good enough

> eh. ya SOB >:0

ya scrooo you!

'ben, what am i doing wrong?'

'duh, i dunno mang, youre better than i am.'

'yeah, whatever. what am i doing wrong?'

'uhhhhh, i dunno. lets go rip some pow and scope chix.'

spanx maing.

;)

 
Nate,

As an old (26) lifelong bump competetor, your first description of how you are skiing bumps is right. Keep your bases in constant contact with the snow. Do not ski like your buddy, jumping from bump to bump, you actually have to make turns! Constantly push yourself and your tips into the next trough, finishing out the end of your turn. Use your point of maximum absorption as the 'pivot' into your next turn. DON'T BE AFRAID OF THE FALL LINE! You will find the more you give yourself to the hill, the easier it will be to rip that zipper line. Keep your upper body silent, and dont reach too far ahead with your poles, just stay centered: shoulders over hips over bindings. Have fun and enjoy em, just keep pounding them and you will be suprised how much easier it will be to rip steep and deep bumps like outer limits, white heat, and my favorite, Trestle at the mecca of moguls: Mary Jane/Winter Park.

As for some of the best instuction in the east, take a road trip to Holiday Valley, NY. The HV freestyle team has bumps that look like a team of trained monkeys built them with spoons, PERFECT! Also, it is easy to get tips here. They have a bump specific teaching staff, as well as the best bumpers in the East, and maybe the country. They produced Hannah Hardaway and six other moguls Olympians. One more thing, the locals are cool and the party scene in town is a blast.

 
One more thing Nate,

as for skis check out Salomon Super Force 9 3S'

I've had something like 8 pairs of these and never had a problem. Phenominal constuction, they are very quick edge to edge, and the tip to shovel is very soft with a stiff as a board tails to keep you up if you get in the backseat. You can find these on ebay for about 100 bucks these days, you could use a power 7 or if you want big mountain versatility a power 8 (salomon's old sizing method)

As for movies, check out any of Nelson Carmichael's old videos (also on ebay). He was the bronze medalist in Lillehammer Olympics. I think Jonny Mosley has a video out too, and if you want to learn from the masters, try and find old Glen Plake and John Smart videos on ebay. These guys know how to rock a zipperline. They were rippin it before freestyle was even cool again.

 
bumps make my knees hurt. I'm either out of shape or not doing it right, but either way bumps suck. Probably cuz I don't know how to ski them.

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SFU, still better than UBC

 
Manus has the right idea. If you can go a bit slower so you are able to monitor your movements for fluidity, and learn to analyze your line and what tactic to attack with, by end of season (IF you ski much)you'll be finding yourself gaining much more speed and confidence.

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Mogols are definatly worth the time. Learning how to ski mogols = big improvement in your skiing all around.. big mountain- from powder to glades to icy steeps.

I just started skiing them 3 years ago.. and im loving them. My list of tips would be:

Coordination is everything.. be looking 2-3 mogols ahead to see where you will be putting your feet. You shouldent be looking down at your feet- ahead. Poles plant on the top of the mogol your above to hit, keep yourself balanced and over the balls of your feet. Once you get into it.. you will beable to do it subconciously, and it will feel sick! crazy adrenaline rush, especially when you come over a steep peak into a line of bumps. I personally sing when i hit the bumps to keep a rythem going.

Speed control is a must:

Push your skiis into the mogol rut on a line, and absorb the upcoming bump. You want ideally 100% contact with the snow. To speed up, pivote your legs less and just absorb the bumps faster, to slow down, pivote your legs more and slide down the backside of the bump..

 
Nice, thanks fellas. I think I got a whole ton of good stuff to work on this season.

How about dryland training? Anything that might help technique?

 
steps. Work on moving very quickly down a long set of stairs, skipping every other one. Keep you upper body silent, your hands in front, and reach with your toes. You will find that you can fly down stairs once you get used to looking 4-5 steps ahead, which is the key to bumps as well. Also running down trails works well, trying to hop from rock to rock or whatever is on the trail, without ever crossing your legs or reaching too far with em. Finally if you can find an old ski machine, the one that moves from side to side along two rails, that thing is great to work on short turns as well as keeping your upper body silent. Try ebay, or the boring ski magazines like slow country and skiing, they still have ads for them. Hope that helps

 
stairs... i do that on every stair i've ever decended.

today in the park i stood next to a picnic table sideway and jumped with both feet to the top and then back down and up again while keeping my hands forward, mid level, and bend only my knees. some people may find an obstacle of that size too big.. so try a bench. you can also switch it up and then hop all the way across and back again. oh yeah, and run to build up endurance... you'll need it.

thanks to all who have contributed greatly to a good bumping manual that has been created here.

*all hail to the mighty gods of snow*

 
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