Brussels airport and Metro bombings
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13660104:fuckmekevin said:
Israel isn't ISIS's primary focus. It's way, way down on their agenda. Their main focus is to demonstrate to other Muslims who aren't convinced that theirs is a legitimate, functional state. They've marketed the Caliphate as paradise on Earth, or as close to it as possible. Once that state is established, it can grow, and THAT's when they turn their focus to eliminating other nations.
Bombogenesis
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13660159:Lonely said:
if you think that no more than .001% of Syrian refugees, or .00001 of the total refugee pool are intent on violence then you're an idiot. You realize that is "one hundred thousandth" correct? No more than 1 in every 100,000? Stop holding your breath, it's bad for brain cells dood.
qazwsxedc34
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13660161:J.D. said:
What do you think about Israel and Palestine?
PeppermillReno
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If you said 'yes' to accepting refugees you are a terrorist sympathizer and enabler and why things like this are happening very frequently.
Charlie_Kelly
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13660061:fuckmekevin said:
He was foreshadowing a nuclear or "something big" attack. I wasnt being serious.
razors-chaz
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13660067:Campeador said:
The poll in this article has been thoroughly criticized and torn to bits. The headline statistic is bourne of a leading question.
I am entirely opposed to everything which ISIS want to achieve but, i have sympathy to the motives which led to the attacks, that in no way means i support the actions.
sympathy =/= support. Sympathy literally means to understand between parties. I understand that if my religion taught that my god should not be depicted then some people would be angered when somebody depicts my god. it does not mean that I agree with the actions but I can see and sympathise with the motives.
The rest of the questions in the poll clarify this point that, while they understand and sympathise with the motives of the attack as they find it offensive themselves they do not agree that the attackers are justified in attacking the publishers.
What you have done is jump from a leading question in a misreported poll about british muslims to a generalisation about muslims all across europe. Your outpourings in so many of your posts are helping to create a "them and us" mentality which leads muslims to feel further ostracised/hated by the west, which is exaclty what ISIS wants, as it can be easily used as a tool for recruitment. I'm not saying you are directly fuelling ISIS recruitment but the collective process is there.
corona
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13659742:Laurent. said:I know what my bookie will bet on. Considering this list:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July–December_2015
Based on probability alone, they will probably have some Jihadistic aspirations and probably be muslim, does that make all muslims bad? No, he just went for the knee jerk reaction but the paris attacks definitely had a connection with immigration, in more then one way.
The perprators: All muslim, 5 French, 2 Belgians, of which the Belgians were of Moroccan descent, 2nd gen immigrants. And most of the others fought in Syria.
How they entered Europe, well for one that is quite clear, a bomber carried a passport belonging to a 25-year-old Syrian named "Ahmad al-Mohammad" and a passport-holder claiming to be a Syrian refugee with that name was registered on Leros in October upon his arrival from Turkey.
The dead attacker's fingerprints matched those taken at the registration on Leros.
And a photo has been published showing the suspects of today.
They look very very Belgian to me.
I dunno where you're getting this information from. But as of the news right now there are 3 identified suspects, none of them Syrian, all Belgian, and 1 unidentified.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/23/brussels-suicide-bombers-named-el-barkaoui-brothers
Laurent.
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13660540:VinnieF said:
I was talking about Paris. Those were mostly 2nd gen immigrants from Morocco.
Also these lads are not 'Belgian' they are most likely 2nd (or third) gen immigrants from a muslim background. That's no racism just pointing out a fact, those are not Belgian names.
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13660513:razors-chaz said:
You're just arguing bullshit semantics, for lack of any substantive argument.
How about this one?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
"Some answers are provided by the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. The results from NOP Research, broadcast by Channel 4-TV on August 7, are startling.
Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. This figure is more than twice as high as those who say it was not a conspiracy. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.
Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law. According to the report, "Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws."
So I might not directly support the fact that you want to blow up people in your host country, but I "sympathize" with your motives. Give me a break.
And this argument about flawed polling is absurd. These results have been proven time and time again my multiple, often non-partisan, research organizations. Even within the statistical margin of error, these are significant numbers, and taken on the average, leave an average of around 25% of Muslims who are fundamentalists, islamists, and fanatics in Western Europe, with a much higher percentage among 2nd generation muslims.
corona
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13660625:Laurent. said:
ah, got mixed up.
And of course they're Belgian. Am I not Canadian because I descend from recent migrants? I have many friend who emigrated to Canada at a young age. They've lived almost all their lives here, they consider themselves Canadians. Are they not Canadian? A second or third generation Belgian is absolutely a Belgian born and raised.
Laurent.
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13660782:VinnieF said:
Maybe amongst people who assimilate better, they usually still have a Moroccan/Turkish passport. Go to Turkey to pay off or serve their conscription. These guys apparently lived in Molenbeek, I don't know if you know about Molenbeek but that is a 40% muslim neighbourhood in Brussels, the place where most of the Paris attackers came from. The essentially grew up with values and culture that does not align at all with the average Belgian, yes it's making a distinction but they are not Belgian in the same way that say 7th gen Belgians are Belgian.
The definition second or third is handled by the Dutch bureau of statistics because they are an outlying group considering that second generation immigrants are grossly overrepresented in crime-statistics.
The reason for that is the difference in culture and values they share with their countrymen despite being born their and bearing the same nationality.