pipes take so much snow and time when they're not dug into the ground like at okemo and snow...plus the pipe cutter has been broken for a few years, or so I've hear. and personally I'd rather have a jump line anyway. I like the convenience of the t-bar over anything else. it could be really sick if they would put up some legit rails, like some of the old ones. i guess lift line is cool if you're doing mountain runs and want some variety, but it's not exactly lappable.