Brightons Not Making Jumps?

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woogity

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so the other day up on campus at the U when all the tents were set up for redfest, Maryellen, i think the park mananger, from the Canyons, said that Brighton wont be making any jumps this season due to some kid becoming paralized from going off the first jump and landing nearly at the second jump and then sueing Brighton. some of you might say, shes from the canyons so how would she know. i would have to say that most of the park managers talk to each other from each resort.

i was wondering if anyone knows anything about it and if some does sue brighton, will they still make jumps????

true or false?
 
If it's true that's complete bull shit. People need to learn about personal liability. The kid should have known the speed in the first place, and the risks if he was unaware of the speed for the jump. That sucks that he's paralyzed, and I truly wish him the best, but he needs to man up and take responsibility for his own dumb mistakes instead of making us pay for them. If I come off as douchey and unsympathetic im sorry.
 
That really sucks, both for the kid and the skiers that go there for park, but there's not much that can be done about it. I mean, health care is expensive. My neighbour is paralyzed, and he has 24 hr nursing care. That is expensive, and someone has to pay for it, and it is very hard for one family to pay for that.
 
take some fucking responsibility though. i understand its hard to pay for, but its by no means brightons job to pay for that kids incompetence.
 
America is greedy as fuck. Any chance someone gets to sue, they will. People need to just man up and deal with shit. As far as this case goes, as long as Brighton had the warning signs up and the kid signed the release for that ticket, it's solely his responsibility and Brighton shouldn't have to pay. America fucking sucks. When something goes wrong for one person, then they need to make themselves feel that much better and ruin it for everyone else. Thanks American citizens!
 
Wow, FUCK that.
Yea, it's REALLY hard to pay for that. However, you need to take some responsibility for yourself. If this is the case, it's absolutely the kid's fault, 100 percent, and creating a lawsuit to get the resort to pay for it is absolute bullshit, in any circumstance, unless it was the resort's fault.
if you are dumb enough to overshoot a jump and paralyze yourself, it's your fault, 100 percent of the time.
that was in no way meant to disrespect your neighbor, as I don't know his situation.

 
which is why we need a loser pays law. it solves so many of the problems up in Canada
 
My neighbour is a cop and he got shot in the neck. Im not saying it's not the kids fault, im just saying it isn't nearly as dumb of a lawsuit as the WME one for example.
 
In such a case, that's horrible, and the person who shot him should be paying everything. In a perfect world, that would be the case, i realize it's probably not. My Dad was a law enforcement officer and I know how dangerous it can be. It's a horrible thing to happen to him.
In response to your second statement however, It's actually not as dumb as the WME thing. It's MORE dumb. WME feels robbed (although, they are completely WRONG, let's make that clear), even though it's not a good reason, at least they can say they have a reason
Someone who fucks themselves up all on their own should NEVER be allowed to even file papers against anyone else.
 
this all sounds like a bunch of malarky to me... anyone thats ever skied brightons park knows that it would be nearly impossible to overshoot the first jump that badly... there are days where you can bomb from the mogul trail above into the third jump and still case it...
that being said... even if they were doing away with jumps.. who gives a fuck?? that would give them more space to put all their boxes and rails down... brightons jumps are never over 30 ft. and they are always in the worst shape with the worst lips imaginable...
that being said, i highly doubt they are doing away with jumps, and even if they are, go to park city if you want to jump. go to brighton if you want to ski some illy pillow lines and have lots of fun on snow days..
 
so i posted this on my friends fb page who goes to the U of U and my ski hill's park director responed with this.
'It's REALLY rare for a lawsuit like that to work, especially out west. Some counties/states have legislation that prevents or limits the amount of the awards. It's pretty straightforward that when you ski, you assume the risk. If you are involved in a single person incident(IE, a fall), especially in a terrain park that is clearly marked, then there isn't much room.
If you are struck by another skier, or a groomer, or were towed off a jump by the resorts snowmobile, then there is alot more room for a lawsuit, as there is a high probabilty of negligence on the part of an individual skier or employee, or on the part of the resort.

Terrain parks are fairly standard these days, and well covered by insurance. I can't imagine it being profitable for Brighton to get rid of their jumps.'

thoughts??
 
Ya I guess so. I live in good ol' Canada the land of free healthcare so i don't have to worry about injuries
 
I remember something that aplies from legal enviornment class, when you go skiing you accept that your taking part in a activity that is dangerous and you accept the risk or getting injured. They have to build a lawsuit based on some kind of neglagence by the resort.
 
The sad thing is that Brighton probably does have fault in this...their jumps are usually extremely unsafe, and their park crew usually keeps nothing raked and groomed.

Generally, the park at Brighton is dangerous and unmaintained. Why ski park there when they have so much other terrain to offer? I'm gonna go as far as saying Brighton's recent parks are worse than Snowbird's were around 5 years ago. Go to PC to ride park.
 
I'd say if she's trying to sell a Canyons pass maybe don't trust her, and check Brighton's website.
 
THough it is true that Brighton maintains their features horribly it's still a joke to over clear it by that far. If I remember that first jump correctly they had a plenty big enough landing. The kid had to be pretty dumb or have no idea what he's doing to take so much speed into it that he would overshoot the landing entirely.
 
Isn't it that when you buy a lift ticket, it's pretty much that you're relieving the resort of any liability. I'm 99% sure that this is the case and that when you get on the mountain, you assume the risk.
 
It true, Utah wrote the books on inherent risk legislation back in the day, but that still does not stop people from suing. Which takes time and money from the resort especially smaller ones like brighton. They could counter sue to get their legal fees covered but keep in mind you would be suing a newly paralyzed boy and his family.
 
your in utah go slay some pow, if i was in utah ild only go to pc, but allas im in maine and the park is the best part of the mountians except for jay
 
I will say however,

Brighton's jumps sucked when i was there. It would be totally feasible for someone to overshoot the first jump..the lip was like a quarter pipe and the deck was about 15-20 feet with a landing of like 10
 
Before everyone hates their life away on this supposed sue happy kid, i have one thing to say. Many times its not an option to sue. Someone who has a life changing injury will HAVE TO SUE. All of you who are under 18 and living at home. You say this is bullshit and yada yada yada, but if you fell and broke your neck and you were a quad for the rest of your life, and your family was looking down an estimated 25 million dollar lifetime cost of taking care of you, along with somewhere in the vicinity of 500,000$ in medical bills, you better believe your parents would be suing. Unfortunately in this country its their only option. You are confined to a wheelchair and need continuous nursing care, but your house and everything down to the last penny is going to be taken by the court system to pay off 1/4 of your medical bill. Then you still have to have a place that is wheelchair accessible, pay for those same nurses and doctors visits, etc. What are you doing for money? I have taken care of a man who was a multi multi millionaire who fell off the second floor of his yacht and severly broke his neck, leaving him confined to a skilled nursing facility for the rest of his life. I started taking care of him 25 years after the accident, and he was running out of money. He was looking for any avenue to continue to pay for his care. He was considering suing doctors anything. It was either that or he was screwed.
Look, i dont condone it whatsoever, and i know you all dont ACTUALLY hate the kid who is paralyzed, but if you think its as easy as "manning up and paying" and just "taking responsibility", you have no fucking idea of how it works in America. These people are forced into suing many times.
 
Yeah but doesn't that say something completely horrible about our society? I mean suing innocent people just to be able to pay for care for yourself? You sue someone because they have done something horrible to you and deserve to pay for what they did. It would be complete ludacricy to just start suing everybody just to be able to pay for your care. I understand that it can be nearly impossible to pay for your care but it certainly does not give you the right to sue a party who is innocent of the situation.
 
no they arent "forced" into suing. no one is making them.

yes our healthcare system is a shitpile, but that too, is not brightons fault.
 
maybe you two are getting into the morality of it here, and i agree with you. im telling you, if you push most people into a corner where they only have one option, guess what most people will do? choose the corner, or the option, no matter how unsavory?
and notice how i never said it was brightons fault. i feel like you are taking my words out of context. does this whole system disgust me? yes. do i think its right to sue? not even a little.
if you think that what im saying is made up or not true, or even unrealistic, then you are out of touch.
and ben, we are getting into some deep stuff here. its not enough to say its one persons fault or responsibility or not. If you are a minor at home, you cannot (legally) take responsibility for your own actions. So this kid goes up there and does something retarded, and gets paralyzed. So now what? His parents are obviously obligated to take care of him, that goes without saying. So they do what they have to do (in their eyes). I imagine that if you looked at anyone in the eye and said that you were going to take away proper care for an injured son, as well as everything else you have ever worked for and will work for all in the name of ethics (i.e. dont sue because your son was an idiot), they would walk away from you in the direction of the nearest lawyer. now add in parents that perhaps truly believe in their hearts that there was some fault with brighton. im sure you can relate. perhaps imagine a relative of yours that does not share a passion for skiing. they could probably make a pretty quick case to themselves that Brighton was truly negligent for some reason or the other.
look, this is a fucked up situation, and i would be livid if my park was taken away over someone elses stupidity. im just playing devils advocate here. these people on the other side of the coin may not be the antichrist as everyone plays them out to be. they may even be remorseful for the course of action they feel they have to take. im just trying to throw this out there.
 
number 1, id be willing to bet this wasnt even the familys choice to sue, these accidents are prime for scumbag ambulance chaser lawyers

number 2, i understand they have to pay their costs. this is just more of an example of why our healthcare system needs to get fixed. and for that matter our court system.
 
before this dissolves into a discussion about the validity of lawsuits anymore, has anyone gotten confirmation either way about the jump situation at brighton?

my snowboarding co-worker always talks about how rad that park is (i live in slc, i know what it looks like for reals) and i would love to needle him about it if they are really not making jumps.
 
The one thing that i hate about America and would stop me ever living there permanently is the fact everyone is obsessed with the need to sue each other. Take some responsibility, i mean it sucks yeah but 100% your fault.

Don't you guys have exclusion clauses over there? In NZ places like snowpark will get you to sign a exclusion clause when you buy a pass which excludes them from any liability due to injury ect whatsoever. Problem solved.
 
im pretty sure that all lift tickets and season passes have an assumption of risk deal on the back that says that by buying the ticket the ticket holder is resposible
 
I agree that the current system sucks. That said, under the current system many healthcare plans have a rider attached that forces the injured party to assist in any lawsuit brought by their health insurance company. So when you have an accident that will cost the insurance company $25 million, they immediately start to look for someone to sue to mitigate the cost of the payout, and force the injured party to cooperate or void their insurance contract.So you can imagine an even worst situation than this one would be one where you have something like a trampoline at your house and your best friend gets paralyzed on it. His insurance company could force him to sue you or get his healthcare dropped. If it was maybe $5000 maybe he could pay but since it would be more like $25 million there really would be no choice but to assist in the lawsuit. So in the end you would lose your house and everything you own as well as likely your friend.Great system huh?
 
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