Brexit

[razors-chaz]

Farage's speech was a thing of beauty.

He acted like a child who is a terrible winner. He is a laughing stock and by representing the UK, making us look like a laughing stock and is damaging the future he fought for. He got torn to shreds by the other MEPs. His behaviour was not befitting of this country or his position.

 

[cozyco]

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Hopefully the EU kicks out GB as fast as possible. Nobody needs a country with 52% dumbf**s and racists. The other 48% are welcome in mainland Europe or NI/SCO/Ireland.

Seriously, the biggest problem in the leave vs. remain fight was not to show the people the real facts. Instead the leave-boys used plain racist, xenophobic and stupid arguments while the remain campaign used mainly the argument of a huge economic damage, when GB (no more great) leaves the EU.

Its really surprising that in Wales more than 55 or 60% of the people voted to leave, although Wales is highly dependend on the money from the EU to support their less rich areas like the coasts or inland.

I am quiet curious how the EU will face the big problem with nationalists in many EU countries now after they saw what can happen. Hopefully stuff will change.

 

[Twig]

Also, the UK FTSE-100 index has recovered all losses since Brexit.

So the market has recognised that while the UK voted to screw itself, the politicians are currently ignoring that decision and refusing to invoke article 50 meaning nothing binding has happened yet. I'm sure the leave campaign will view this as indisputable evidence that if we do exit, the markets will recover in a week so no big deal but that isn't how markets actually work.

 

[Tours]

He acted like a child who is a terrible winner. He is a laughing stock and by representing the UK, making us look like a laughing stock and is damaging the future he fought for. He got torn to shreds by the other MEPs. His behaviour was not befitting of this country or his position.

Only to leftists and globalist shills who are hellbent on putting "Camp of the Saints" in the non-fiction section.

 

[razors-chaz]

Only to leftists and globalist shills who are hellbent on putting "Camp of the Saints" in the non-fiction section.

Did you just have a brain aneurysm? Do you need me to call for emergency help? because you just garbled a bunch of words together which make no sense at all. You're talking out your arse pal.

 

[PeppermillReno]

Even though I can no longer go and work anywhere I want on the continent Brexit is one of the greatest things that has ever happened in the history of society. Democracy does still exist and the butthurt amongst liberals is fabulous and puts a big smile on my face.

 

[90053]

The fact that the EU parliament president had to remind the European parliament the meaning of democracy was simply priceless.

Also, the UK FTSE-100 index has recovered all losses since Brexit.

ftse 100 doesnt mean much, considering many of the companies on it conduct the majority of their business e.g. mining companies.

additionally these are the companies that have structures in place to deal market instability

 

[90053]

ftse 100 doesnt mean much, considering many of the companies on it conduct the majority of their business e.g. mining companies.

additionally these are the companies that have structures in place to deal market instability

conduct the majority of their business overseas*

 

[Tours]

ftse 100 doesnt mean much, considering many of the companies on it conduct the majority of their business e.g. mining companies.

additionally these are the companies that have structures in place to deal market instability

All the same, it doesn't contribute much to the whole economic "fire and brimstone" argument the Remain camp tried so desperately to put forth.

 

[PeppermillReno]

All the same, it doesn't contribute much to the whole economic "fire and brimstone" argument the Remain camp tried so desperately to put forth.

Yup. Bitch ass n#ggaz got served. You think the nation that conquered the planet and brought culture to all (than gave it all away peacefully except for the only colony they actually wanted America little bit of a skirmish there) and stood alone against Hitler was going to let Adolf Merkel use them as her personal toilet to shit the dregs of africa and the middle east on? Fuck no!

 

[Tours]

Did you just have a brain aneurysm? Do you need me to call for emergency help? because you just garbled a bunch of words together which make no sense at all. You're talking out your arse pal.

Which part do you need explained?

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

All the same, it doesn't contribute much to the whole economic "fire and brimstone" argument the Remain camp tried so desperately to put forth.

Minus the fall of the sterling, the announcement that multiple financial firms are planning to leave London, and the fact that the economy contraction doesn't happen over night, sure, you are right.

 

[Tours]

 

[Tours]

Minus the fall of the sterling, the announcement that multiple financial firms are planning to leave London, and the fact that the economy contraction doesn't happen over night, sure, you are right.

As if currencies fluctuating against each other is anything new. Too many currency traders put too much faith in the polls and the "experts", and as a result lost their shorts. The pound was at $1.38 as recently as 7 years ago. If anything, does a weaker currency not boost exports and promote domestic production?

Granted, I would be surprised if the plutocrats at Goldman Sachs and the other corrupt financial firms didn't do some sabre-rattling, given how invested all these firms were in the Remain campaign. The chances of them actually following through though? Less likely, given London's place in the world. Where are they going to go? Dublin? Give me a break.

 

[razors-chaz]

Which part do you need explained?

It's ok, I wouldnt ask a toddler to explain their scribbles, so I'll save you the embarassment.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

As if currencies fluctuating against each other is anything new. Too many currency traders put too much faith in the polls and the "experts", and as a result lost their shorts. The pound was at $1.38 as recently as 7 years ago. If anything, does a weaker currency not boost exports and promote domestic production?

Granted, I would be surprised if the plutocrats at Goldman Sachs and the other corrupt financial firms didn't do some sabre-rattling, given how invested all these firms were in the Remain campaign. The chances of them actually following through though? Less likely, given London's place in the world. Where are they going to go? Dublin? Give me a break.

Wrong. This is the lowest it has been since 1984... 7 years ago it was $1.43 and that was the cause of a global crisis, not a single intended event.

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They will be leaving because restriction on labor and "free passports".

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a3a92744-3a52-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html#axzz4DAsuIYaI

JPM already announced that 100 members are already moving out of London. London's place in the world is about to decline, and quickly. There was a reason they voted to "remain"...

 

[Tours]

Wrong. This is the lowest it has been since 1984... 7 years ago it was $1.43 and that was the cause of a global crisis, not a single intended event.

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They will be leaving because restriction on labor and "free passports".

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a3a92744-3a52-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html#axzz4DAsuIYaI

JPM already announced that 100 members are already moving out of London. London's place in the world is about to decline, and quickly. There was a reason they voted to "remain"...

Take note of the number before you go off spouting anymore bullshit.

This is just a pathetic attempt by corrupt financial firms like Goldman and JPM to punish the people of the UK, and to serve as a warning to any other nation intent on leaving the EU that there will be consequences from the globalist bankers.

And London has been in decline for a long time now, one only needs to walk down the street without hearing a word of English to know that.

 

[Tours]

It's ok, I wouldnt ask a toddler to explain their scribbles, so I'll save you the embarassment.

Certainly no more embarrassing than that hatchet job of spelling and grammar you just scribbled as a response.

But I understand that any explanation I provide would only work to damage your delicate sensibilities.

 

[Twig]

Take note of the number before you go off spouting anymore bullshit.

This is just a pathetic attempt by corrupt financial firms like Goldman and JPM to punish the people of the UK, and to serve as a warning to any other nation intent on leaving the EU that there will be consequences from the globalist bankers.

And London has been in decline for a long time now, one only needs to walk down the street without hearing a word of English to know that.

So just to clarify, you're using the comparably low (but still not as low as now) value of the pound, at the low point of one of the worst recessions of all time, as some kind of 'this is no big deal' argument? And acting as if big 'corrupt' firms like those and others have no influence over the UK's short or long term economic prosperity? And coming out as openly xenophobic?

**This post was edited on Jul 2nd 2016 at 11:35:15am

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Take note of the number before you go off spouting anymore bullshit.

This is just a pathetic attempt by corrupt financial firms like Goldman and JPM to punish the people of the UK, and to serve as a warning to any other nation intent on leaving the EU that there will be consequences from the globalist bankers.

And London has been in decline for a long time now, one only needs to walk down the street without hearing a word of English to know that.

My mistake, BBerg didn't show that low on the historic chart.

Regardless, it is at an all time low, and hasn't bounced back. 3 days after that 3/11/09 date, on 3/14/09, it reached back to $1.40, and a month later it was $1.47.

Welcome back Campeador, I missed your incessant rightwing bullshit.

Seeing as London is responsible for a large portion of English GDP, they should be worried.

Don't believe me?

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171766_426950.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/396740/bis-15-4-growth-dashboard.pdf

 

[Tours]

My mistake, BBerg didn't show that low on the historic chart.

Regardless, it is at an all time low, and hasn't bounced back. 3 days after that 3/11/09 date, on 3/14/09, it reached back to $1.40, and a month later it was $1.47.

Welcome back Campeador, I missed your incessant rightwing bullshit.

As I missed your thinly-veiled leftism, come out of the closet already, you're not fooling anyone.

 

[Tours]

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

As I missed your thinly-veiled leftism, come out of the closet already, you're not fooling anyone.

You must be absolutely shocked to know I voted against the former face of the progressive Democrats Mrs. Elizabeth Warren when she ran for an MA Senate seat.

But, keep living in your own little world, it will soon come crashing down.

 

[Tours]

You must be absolutely shocked to know I voted against the former face of the progressive Democrats Mrs. Elizabeth Warren when she ran for an MA Senate seat.

But, keep living in your own little world, it will soon come crashing down.

Congratulations! A pat on the back for not voting for Fauxcahontas. So am I to assume you voted for Scott Brown? Last I checked him and Trump are very good pals.

And it is thanks to people like me that the UK will soon be free of that corrupt, Islam-spreading cartel commonly referred to as the EU.

The world will only come crashing down if people like you and the rest of the 5th column are not resisted.

 

[S.J.W]

As I missed your thinly-veiled leftism, come out of the closet already, you're not fooling anyone.

you do realise Jeremy Corbyn also supported brexit and he's the leader of the left wing party in England? You really know jack shit.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Congratulations! A pat on the back for not voting for Fauxcahontas. So am I to assume you voted for Scott Brown? Last I checked him and Trump are very good pals.

And it is thanks to people like me that the UK will soon be free of that corrupt, Islam-spreading cartel commonly referred to as the EU.

The world will only come crashing down if people like you and the rest of the 5th column are not resisted.

It was more a vote against her than for him so don't get too excited. I know during these dark days for Trump's campaign means you need something to get excited about.

Right. Have any of those idiot "Leave" leaders even mentioned a plan for how they're going to re-engage in trade with the EU? The EEA certainly is an option, but it means opening your borders and, well, that defeats the whole purpose of "Leave" for you does it not?

The 5th column, how quaint. I certainly value "American" desires, but I also recognize how inherently dangerous it can be to be sucked into a closed-minded, isolationist, protectionist, backwards world like yours.

Find me a successful country that has every policy you want; protectionist policies for the economy, isolationist policies for immigration, anti-freedom of religion/speech (which is what you're advocating for), and socially regressive policies.

All I can think of are Saudi Arabia, N. Korea, and Iran. Those sure as bastions of the modern world.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

So, Leave-ers, how do you feel that both Farage and Johnson are stepped down upon realizing how fucked they were after the vote passed? It really says something that the two main drivers behind the party have NO FUCKING CLUE what the next steps should be.

 

[Tours]

Find me a successful country that has every policy you want; protectionist policies for the economy, isolationist policies for immigration, anti-freedom of religion/speech (which is what you're advocating for).

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Japan, Switzerland, just off the top of my head.

I'm not anti-freedom of religion, I'm only anti-Islam, since I don't believe it qualifies for freedom of religion protection. Islamic law (a core and inseparable part of Islam) directly threatens the freedom of religion of every other religious group (as well as the general population), and therefore cannot lay any claim to special protection.

Japan, for example, monitors the Islamic population very closely, and finds no qualms in doing so, even the Constitutional court of Japan agreed that Muslims pose a significant risk and therefore monitoring them, and keeping Muslim immigration to an absolute minimum is preferred and consistent with the Japanese constitution.

Switzerland also refuses to grant asylum or citizenship to Muslims who are not deemed by their local communities to have fully integrated and assimilated. Muslim girls refusing to participate in swim lessons with boys due to "freedom of religion" is considered an affront to Swiss culture, and Swiss culture comes first before any right to freedom of religion that Muslims believe they deserve. In addition, those who wear traditional Muslim garb can be deemed to be non-assimilated and denied citizenship (or even deported).

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Japan, Switzerland, just off the top of my head.

I'm not anti-freedom of religion, I'm only anti-Islam, since I don't believe it qualifies for freedom of religion protection. Islamic law (a core and inseparable part of Islam) directly threatens the freedom of religion of every other religious group (as well as the general population), and therefore cannot lay any claim to special protection.

Japan, for example, monitors the Islamic population very closely, and finds no qualms in doing so, even the Constitutional court of Japan agreed that Muslims pose a significant risk and therefore monitoring them, and keeping Muslim immigration to an absolute minimum is preferred and consistent with the Japanese constitution.

Switzerland also refuses to grant asylum or citizenship to Muslims who are not deemed by their local communities to have fully integrated and assimilated. Muslim girls refusing to participate in swim lessons with boys due to "freedom of religion" is considered an affront to Swiss culture, and Swiss culture comes first before any right to freedom of religion that Muslims believe they deserve. In addition, those who wear traditional Muslim garb can be deemed to be non-assimilated and denied citizenship (or even deported).

Neither advocates a complete and utter removal of Muslims/Arabs or a ban on immigration.

You only see the Islamic world in black and white, much like those Islamists do.

On top of this, neither of those countries advocate for broad protectionist economic policies that you so firmly believe in. The Swiss, much like England will have to, gave in to the free movement of people across its borders, in exchange for access to the EU trade bloc.

But, keep living in your fantasy world. You've neglected Twig's question for you FYI. Too complicated or are you just unable to admit you are wrong?

 

[Tours]

Neither advocates a complete and utter removal of Muslims/Arabs or a ban on immigration.

You only see the Islamic world in black and white, much like those Islamists do.

On top of this, neither of those countries advocate for broad protectionist economic policies that you so firmly believe in. The Swiss, much like England will have to, gave in to the free movement of people across its borders, in exchange for access to the EU trade bloc.

But, keep living in your fantasy world. You've neglected Twig's question for you FYI. Too complicated or are you just unable to admit you are wrong?

You are such a bore to argue with, you try to argue minute details and ignore the bigger picture. You read a couple of Washington Post articles, or Krugman columns, and fancy yourself well-versed.

Japan does have certain protectionist policies, implemented to serve domestic industries and improve trade balances. It's one of the reasons Japan went from a ruined nation to a world power. They also have all but eliminated any Islamic migration into Japan, although obviously they do not explicitly state that. They are not perfect, but they clearly show that certain protections, and minimal to no Islamic migration, are policies that work.

And lastly, what do you care? Frankly, I'm not inclined to respond to someone who will ban my account if I say things that hurt his PC feelings.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

You are such a bore to argue with, you try to argue minute details and ignore the bigger picture. You read a couple of Washington Post articles, or Krugman columns, and fancy yourself well-versed.

Japan does have certain protectionist policies, implemented to serve domestic industries and improve trade balances. It's one of the reasons Japan went from a ruined nation to a world power. They also have all but eliminated any Islamic migration into Japan, although obviously they do not explicitly state that. They are not perfect, but they clearly show that certain protections, and minimal to no Islamic migration, are policies that work.

And lastly, what do you care? Frankly, I'm not inclined to respond to someone who will ban my account if I say things that hurt his PC feelings.

Well, I did study economics for four years so I can certainly argue I am well-versed there and it is what we are talking about.

You do realize Japan has experienced deflation for almost 2 decades....those policies sure are helping them! Their economy is growing at an incredible rate too! /s

Don't believe me? The St. Louis Fed does.

Oh, I think your point about Japan, is wrong.

http://www.snopes.com/muslims-in-japan/

But, then again, you will probably argue Snopes is run by some liberal shill organization and cannot be trusted.

Of course, you can't argue with facts, only with emotion and conjecture.

 

[razors-chaz]

you do realise Jeremy Corbyn also supported brexit and he's the leader of the left wing party in England? You really know jack shit.

I don't want to argue for campeador but seriously, where did you see this? He was an active campaigner for remaining in the EU (some debate whether he was active enough or that his campaigning was publicised enough).

He has historically been openly euro-sceptic and voted against moves in favour of the EU, but based his case on a pragmatic view that it would be better having the safeguards of the EU than not, given the right wing party's aspirations, who are currently in power and would keep power following the vote due to the fixed term parliament act.

However in your favour there was a serious case from the left to leave and to suggest that leaving is based purely off right politics is disingenuous. There are reasons on both left and right for wanting to remain and to leave and as such both campaigns saw cooperation cross party.

Sorry Campeador if my grammar offends you. I was failed by the English department at school.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

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And it keeps falling. I think Brit's would take $1.38 right now.

 

[roddy116]

A British member can explain why it is important, in their view, to remain.

A lot of those answers can be found in this thread as well.

But a shortened version:

Racist-A vocal portion of the "Leave" campaign wanted to leave because they were upset with the number of immigrants coming into the country, much of whom were Muslim and from distressed Muslim countries. Part of being in the EU means open borders, and once these refugees were in the EU, they were free to move wherever they wanted, including England. Ironically, leaving may open their borders even more depending on how trade negotiations go.

Trade Agreements: England loses a lot of bargaining power as they are now a standalone economy. The US will play ball, but it is very likely the agreements will be tougher on the UK than previously as they lack the size negotiate with the US. Additionally, the EU is VERY likely to come down hard on the UK in their trade agreements to make an example out of England.

Euro: An attempt to further unify the EU by integrating economies with a singular currency. You noted one of the short-comings of the policy, but the UK was on the GBP (Sterling) and had control of their own monetary policy unlike other members. Good idea in theory, but there have been issues since '08.

Travel: By leaving the EU, the UK effectively will have to kick out numerous foreign workers who work for MNCs HQed or who have branches in England if they are not given visas. Additionally, it makes it very difficult to bring in new talent if they all have to get visas. The result is that many of these larger companies will likely move their HQ where there is the ability to labor to move freely. You are already seeing this in the finance sector.

I haven't even really touched on the fact that they are now an outsider on almost all political matters in Europe, which, despite England being an island, is still VERY important.

Tl;dr:

UK is losing a lot of their clout in both the political and economic realm by leaving because they are now a standalone country. They have their sovereignty back in a day where globalization and integration rule the world and are now at odds with the status quo.

On a side note, can an English member please explain to me WTF is happening with Corbyn and that whole shebang?

ok first off, the whole racist thing is so mucked up in the EU that anything can be racist if someone says so. literally anything.

Also, wouldnt the UK gain more bargaining power because of no regulations of a higher up organization?

Also, there is nothing wrong with the UK wanting something to do with EU politics, hell no country should want anything to do with another countries politics, its not there problem.

And why is travel rights so bad? if the UK wants to continue the travel rights then they have a right to do so, same with every other country, and they also have a right for requiring a passport and visa. I mean hell i can get a card that allows me to travel to canada and mexico without a passport, but its no big deal if i have my passport just whip it out at the border.

Also, of course the UK currency is gonna be bad for awhile, they dont have any trade agreements yet. You think its going to get worse continually?

 

[roddy116]

Well, I did study economics for four years so I can certainly argue I am well-versed there and it is what we are talking about.

Oh, I think your point about Japan, is wrong.

http://www.snopes.com/muslims-in-japan/

But, then again, you will probably argue Snopes is run by some liberal shill organization and cannot be trusted.

I dont understand that snopes article whatsoever, but japan is 98.5% japanese with the rest being chinese/korean/ other asian, with about 100,000 brazilians migrating there awhile ago. They are not open to other people and have never been most likely never will be and they are really open to Europe and america/ canada for english teaching, ski instructing and marketing jobs. Its damn hard to get any other kind of job, and even harder to get a citizenship without marriage or living their for a decent amount of time.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

ok first off, the whole racist thing is so mucked up in the EU that anything can be racist if someone says so. literally anything.

Also, wouldnt the UK gain more bargaining power because of no regulations of a higher up organization?

Also, there is nothing wrong with the UK wanting something to do with EU politics, hell no country should want anything to do with another countries politics, its not there problem.

And why is travel rights so bad? if the UK wants to continue the travel rights then they have a right to do so, same with every other country, and they also have a right for requiring a passport and visa. I mean hell i can get a card that allows me to travel to canada and mexico without a passport, but its no big deal if i have my passport just whip it out at the border.

Also, of course the UK currency is gonna be bad for awhile, they dont have any trade agreements yet. You think its going to get worse continually?

1. About the racist portion, it generated the headlines in the US due to comparison to the Trump movement, no idea what the actual situation was like pre-Brexit. What I do know now is that there has been a reported uptick in "racist attacks" since Brexit.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/

2. No, they would not. Sure, they can now demand things that they want, but they are a much smaller player in global trade than they were with the EU. America, the EU, and other big economies are much less likely to give into demands from the British, because frankly the British need America/EU more than they need them.

3. It has more to do with work and visas. Leisure travel is a bonus, but working is a much bigger aspect of it.

4. The question is, when will it get better? Those trade agreements will certainly not be ratified until Article 50 is invoked, which, at this point, is looking like a 2017 event. Who knows when the discussions will even begin. Will

these events provide the jump it needs? Or will people wait until there is actual tangible evidence of an increase in GDP? The GBP fell quickly because everyone knew there would be a negative effect on the economy. No one knows if, or when, the positive rebound will occur. Until there is some sort of signal, it will likely fall until it reaches a stabilization point. So far, it has not reached that point.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

I dont understand that snopes article whatsoever, but japan is 98.5% japanese with the rest being chinese/korean/ other asian, with about 100,000 brazilians migrating there awhile ago. They are not open to other people and have never been most likely never will be and they are really open to Europe and america/ canada for english teaching, ski instructing and marketing jobs. Its damn hard to get any other kind of job, and even harder to get a citizenship without marriage or living their for a decent amount of time.

Tours/Campeador mentioned how Japan has eliminated the migration of any Muslims into the country, how they are super strict about the Islamic religion in general, etc., basically how Japan is anti-Muslim, which they are not. They are certainly a very strict in regards to immigration, but it is a broad policy that is applied to everyone, not just Muslims.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Sorry for the triple post, but for those wondering why the Brexit and the loss of freedom of movement hurts, here is a good example with London and the Financial Sector.

Clicky

 

[roddy116]

1. About the racist portion, it generated the headlines in the US due to comparison to the Trump movement, no idea what the actual situation was like pre-Brexit. What I do know now is that there has been a reported uptick in "racist attacks" since Brexit.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/

2. No, they would not. Sure, they can now demand things that they want, but they are a much smaller player in global trade than they were with the EU. America, the EU, and other big economies are much less likely to give into demands from the British, because frankly the British need America/EU more than they need them.

3. It has more to do with work and visas. Leisure travel is a bonus, but working is a much bigger aspect of it.

4. The question is, when will it get better? Those trade agreements will certainly not be ratified until Article 50 is invoked, which, at this point, is looking like a 2017 event. Who knows when the discussions will even begin. Will

these events provide the jump it needs? Or will people wait until there is actual tangible evidence of an increase in GDP? The GBP fell quickly because everyone knew there would be a negative effect on the economy. No one knows if, or when, the positive rebound will occur. Until there is some sort of signal, it will likely fall until it reaches a stabilization point. So far, it has not reached that point.

Tours/Campeador mentioned how Japan has eliminated the migration of any Muslims into the country, how they are super strict about the Islamic religion in general, etc., basically how Japan is anti-Muslim, which they are not. They are certainly a very strict in regards to immigration, but it is a broad policy that is applied to everyone, not just Muslims.

Ok thats fair enough with the japan thing. However i will say that is more favorable towards westerners, just from my own experience.

And again work and visa is something that should be left up to a country.

However, why would the fact that Britain leaving the EU effect their global power, since when should the EU have any affect on global politics whatsoever? IMO that just goes to show that the EU is overstepping boundaries and is ultimately doing more bad than good in europe, and its mainly just people focusing on the pointless leisures that if taken away will not affect their life in more than 1 or 2 extra minutes crossing a border.

Also, lets be real, being racist is like calling someone a fascist or a bigot, their arent many racist people in the westernized world anymore, and the word holds no meaning at this point because its used as much as bigot, which is also a pointless buzz word.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Ok thats fair enough with the japan thing. However i will say that is more favorable towards westerners, just from my own experience.

And again work and visa is something that should be left up to a country.

However, why would the fact that Britain leaving the EU effect their global power, since when should the EU have any affect on global politics whatsoever? IMO that just goes to show that the EU is overstepping boundaries and is ultimately doing more bad than good in europe, and its mainly just people focusing on the pointless leisures that if taken away will not affect their life in more than 1 or 2 extra minutes crossing a border.

Also, lets be real, being racist is like calling someone a fascist or a bigot, their arent many racist people in the westernized world anymore, and the word holds no meaning at this point because its used as much as bigot, which is also a pointless buzz word.

Well, losing out on that freedom of movement will greatly affect both worker quality and quantity in the country resulting in a potential loss in GDP and taxes. These effects are not immediate, nor will they likely be seen in the next year. It will take ~3-5 years before the affects will be seen. But it will happen. Check out that 538 article about Finance and London. They mention some of the potential effects it can have on the economy.

How much do you know about global trade, the EU, and UK? With the UK leaving the EU, they are leaving the largest or second largest economy (depending what source you use), and with it, a global economic and political power.

Now, the UK is effectively a small, isolated island, without a single resource, traded good, or export that is imperative to the world economy. As a result, when they come to the table to bargain for trade deals or the like, they will have little to bargain with. The EU, US, China, and EM markets can look at the UK and dictate the terms of the conversation.

The same can be said for political conversations. The UK is no longer a military power (that is not to say they are weak), but they do not have the same amount of resources that the combined EU does. The UK now has little to no say in regards to European affairs, be it domestic or international. Yes, they can do what they want now, but their actions do not carry the weight they would have if they were part of the EU. What makes the EU so "powerful", is their size. As they say, power in numbers. The EU can now make decisions that will affect the majority of Europe, and the UK has little to no say.

It is not just "pointless leisurely travel", it is the free movement of labor.

Let us look at a hypothetical situation here involving the US. It won't be a PERFECT example as one doesn't hold state citizenship, but let us pretend we all do.

Imagine you personally are born and raised in California, the state with the largest economy in the US, and work in the

oil industry. You know that there are great jobs in CA (just pretend OK?), but the big money is in Texas (arguably the best places to work for Oil). You could, theoretically, leave for Dallas tomorrow with zero problem, find a job, and get to work with little to no paperwork. Now, imagine Texas secedes from the US and becomes a standalone country. Now, your American citizenship is worthless for working papers because you were born in California. As a result, you have to leave Texas and return to CA. You're not alone either, and many of your coworkers have to leave their jobs.

What is going to happen to the Texan oil industry? They are going to lose tons of talented labor, which in turn results in a contraction of both exports and taxes, as companies struggle to replace the labor and subsequently associated output.

This leaves these companies with a few options but not limited to:

1st. Hire more Texans--> Great idea, but not all are as good workers as you and your former coworkers

2nd. Attempt to rehire those workers who left-->Great idea, but working visas are extremely annoying to get

3rd. Move to a new state-->Great idea, but this involves lots of CapEx so it is costly.

Regardless, Texas is going to see a contraction in its economy because it is losing workers and output. The same is going to happen to the UK. This is why free movement of labor is so important. The best workers will search out the best options for them, and everyone will benefit. Unfortunately, by leaving the EU, UK companies now face greater barriers to attracting the best talent.

 

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Frankly, the open borders banking cartel in London can go to hell.

 

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Tours/Campeador mentioned how Japan has eliminated the migration of any Muslims into the country, how they are super strict about the Islamic religion in general, etc., basically how Japan is anti-Muslim, which they are not. They are certainly a very strict in regards to immigration, but it is a broad policy that is applied to everyone, not just Muslims.

And herein lies the danger of getting all your information from left-wing propagandists who model themselves as "objective fact-checkers".

Japan is, in fact, anti-Muslim. Your pathetic attempt at a Google search to disprove me is laughable, especially since the best you could come up with is a snopes article that seeks only to disprove a chain email.

Japan's top court upholds blanket surveillance of Muslims

Spy programme on groups, mosques and even halal restaurants deemed 'necessary and inevitable' to guard against international terrorism.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/74096/japans-top-court-upholds-blanket-surveillance-of-muslims

17 Muslims filed a lawsuit against the Japanese government's mass surveillance of the Muslim community, which includes "places of worship, halal restaurants and Muslim organizations."

A 2010 leak found that the government had files on 72,000 Muslims in various countries. There are 70,000 Muslims in Japan.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7146/japanese-court-hell-yes-we-can-religiously-profile-aaron-bandler

The court, however, did not interject on the police profiling or surveillance practices, which a lower court ruling upheld as “necessary and inevitable” against the threat of international terrorism.

The files further showed that by 2008 at least 72,000 residents from Organisation of Islamic Conference countries had been profiled
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...proves-govts-blanket-surveillance-of-muslims/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...op-court-green-lit-islamaphobia-a7109761.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...rveillance-japan-muslims-160629040956466.html

 

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Regardless, Texas is going to see a contraction in its economy because it is losing workers and output. The same is going to happen to the UK. This is why free movement of labor is so important. The best workers will search out the best options for them, and everyone will benefit. Unfortunately, by leaving the EU, UK companies now face greater barriers to attracting the best talent.

Right, just like everyone benefited from those half-price H1-B's from India that replaced all the American Disney IT employees in Orlando, you open-borders loon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/u...ed-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants.html

Best workers... give me a break.

 

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And herein lies the danger of getting all your information from left-wing propagandists who model themselves as "objective fact-checkers".

Japan is, in fact, anti-Muslim. Your pathetic attempt at a Google search to disprove me is laughable, especially since the best you could come up with is a snopes article that seeks only to disprove a chain email.

Japan's top court upholds blanket surveillance of Muslims

Spy programme on groups, mosques and even halal restaurants deemed 'necessary and inevitable' to guard against international terrorism.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/74096/japans-top-court-upholds-blanket-surveillance-of-muslims

17 Muslims filed a lawsuit against the Japanese government's mass surveillance of the Muslim community, which includes "places of worship, halal restaurants and Muslim organizations."

A 2010 leak found that the government had files on 72,000 Muslims in various countries. There are 70,000 Muslims in Japan.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7146/japanese-court-hell-yes-we-can-religiously-profile-aaron-bandler

The court, however, did not interject on the police profiling or surveillance practices, which a lower court ruling upheld as “necessary and inevitable” against the threat of international terrorism.

The files further showed that by 2008 at least 72,000 residents from Organisation of Islamic Conference countries had been profiled
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...proves-govts-blanket-surveillance-of-muslims/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...op-court-green-lit-islamaphobia-a7109761.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...rveillance-japan-muslims-160629040956466.html

Anti-Muslim?

If surveillance of targeted civilians is anti-(insert group here), are we anti-American for surveying American citizens we deem potentially dangerous and put on the no-fly list? Your logic is flawed.

On top of this, the gap between what Japan is doing and what Trump wants to do is enormous. But you, like many other right-wingers, will do anything to make it fit your narrative.

And that "fact" about Muslims living in Japan is 6 years old and frankly only one site, the right-wing trash you posted from the Daily Wire, mentions anything about an estimate on Muslims living in Japan.

But keep living in your bubble there Campeador.

 

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Right, just like everyone benefited from those half-price H1-B's from India that replaced all the American Disney IT employees in Orlando, you open-borders loon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/u...ed-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants.html

Best workers... give me a break.

I've never claimed the system is perfect, and that there are not abuses. But I don't expect you to remember that.

 

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Anti-Muslim?

If surveillance of targeted civilians is anti-(insert group here), are we anti-American for surveying American citizens we deem potentially dangerous and put on the no-fly list? Your logic is flawed.

On top of this, the gap between what Japan is doing and what Trump wants to do is enormous. But you, like many other right-wingers, will do anything to make it fit your narrative.

And that "fact" about Muslims living in Japan is 6 years old and frankly only one site, the right-wing trash you posted from the Daily Wire, mentions anything about an estimate on Muslims living in Japan.

But keep living in your bubble there Campeador.

Poor you, I put up multiple sources, just to give some variety. The actual number is probably in the range of 70,000 to 100,000. But, as per usual, your pathetic arguments can only attempt to refute small details, and never the bigger picture.

It isn't coincidental that Japanese authorities specifically target Muslims for blanket surveillance as a method of preventing terrorism.

 

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I've never claimed the system is perfect, and that there are not abuses. But I don't expect you to remember that.

"This is why free movement of labor is so important. The best workers will search out the best options for them, and everyone will benefit".

This seems pretty clear cut.

 

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Poor you, I put up multiple sources, just to give some variety. The actual number is probably in the range of 70,000 to 100,000. But, as per usual, your pathetic arguments can only attempt to refute small details, and never the bigger picture.

It isn't coincidental that Japanese authorities specifically target Muslims for blanket surveillance as a method of preventing terrorism.

Which is exactly what my Snopes page said and you discredited. However, we can only speculate on the current number.

And I never debated that there was no surveillance, but you are trying to compare that to what Trump wants to do which is not even remotely similar. But ignore my comparison. You can't seem to differentiate it.

But if I recall, this argument about Japan stems from the bigger picture of trying to find a country that fits your profile, and Japan doesn't. They aren't anti-freedom of Religion (despite this ruling), they're not involved in anti-immigration policies for selection groups (it is difficult for everyone), and they aren't involved in protectionist policies for their economy.

So, as I said, find me a country outside of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and N. Korea.

 

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"This is why free movement of labor is so important. The best workers will search out the best options for them, and everyone will benefit".

This seems pretty clear cut.

Long-term, yes, everyone will benefit. Short-term is where the unknown lies for free-trade.

Let me make something very clear to you, when economists agree on something, like free trade, it generally means it is seen as beneficial and frankly a good thing for everyone. That is not to say there are not short-term shocks, like the loss of jobs, but in the long-run, it makes everyone better off.

 

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Which is exactly what my Snopes page said and you discredited. However, we can only speculate on the current number.

And I never debated that there was no surveillance, but you are trying to compare that to what Trump wants to do which is not even remotely similar. But ignore my comparison. You can't seem to differentiate it.

But if I recall, this argument about Japan stems from the bigger picture of trying to find a country that fits your profile, and Japan doesn't. They aren't anti-freedom of Religion (despite this ruling), they're not involved in anti-immigration policies for selection groups (it is difficult for everyone), and they aren't involved in protectionist policies for their economy.

So, as I said, find me a country outside of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and N. Korea.

Christ, you are impossible.

Are you actually so obtuse as to think that there is no connection between the Japanese blanket surveillance of Muslims, and the fact that almost none are allowed to migrate to Japan? Are you actually dumb enough to believe that non-Muslims have just as much difficulty as Muslims? That is beyond absurd.