Breonna Taylor Case: One officer charged with 3 counts wanton endangerment. $15k cash bond.
- Thread starter ronders_
- Start date
ASSholebomber22
Active member
Blows my fucking mind that cops can straight up kick a door down guns-a-blazin' if the state thinks you're selling things that it arbitrarily doesn't approve of. I feel for Breonna Taylor, wrong place, wrong time. Tragic.
r00kie
Active member
I don't blame the officers, they were just following orders and a citizen rightfully fought back to government agents forcing their way into his home. Breonna was wrong place, wrong time, not her fault. Her death should not have happened. But whoever issued and then ordered a no knock warrent should be stung up. Would have thought the libertarian/don't tread on me crowd would be all up in arms over this one.
SuspiciousFish
Active member
14176797:r00kie said:
Based on the new evidence I think it was actually the other way around. Breonna was deep in the drug game with her Ex and was laundering money and delivering packages. She was on the No-knock warrant when they hit her house after her Ex got arrested earlier in the day. Her boyfriend probably didnt know she was a drug dealer (Or maybe he did) and shot when the cops came in through the door. So in a way, Breonna actually put her boyfriend at risk. This is one of the reasons no knock warrants are so dangerous. I can see in some cases they may be necessary but it opens the door to innocent people dying or having their lives ruined by fighting back.
GrandThings
Active member
14176848:SuspiciousFish said:
This has been proven to be factually incorrect and you're just spewing fake bullshit.
SuspiciousFish
Active member
14176852:GrandThings said:
This is the evidence I have:
https://www.wave3.com/2020/08/26/wa...ylors-ex-boyfriend-amid-leaked-new-documents/
If you have info that refutes this then Im down to check it out. It looks like her ex used and manipulated her to help manage his drug deals.
ronders_
Member
14176861:SuspiciousFish said:
Yea the boyfriend had a couple bench warrants FOR UNRELATED INCIDENTS. You’re basically saying the cops have the right to just kill citizens in their own homes, as long as they can dig up some shit afterword to justify it. Do you like big government? QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IS THE DEFINITION OF BIG GOVERNMENT POLICY. YOU CANNOT BE PRO-POLICE AND AGAINST BIG GOV. THEY (the executive branch as a whole) EXIST SOLEY TO ENFORCE THE WILL OF THE GOVERNMENT UPON THE CITIZENS.
can I be more clear? Had it with these “Libertarians” and “constitutionalists” screaming back the blue.
snowfinder
Active member
2020 fucking sucks.
snowfinder
Active member
How is being home in bed in the middle of the night wrong place wrong time? Last I checked that's where most people are during the night.
14176777:Biffbarf said:
ASSholebomber22
Active member
14176929:snowfinder said:
Idk bout you my dude but being caught in the crossfire during a no-knock raid def doesn't seem like the right place to be at any time.
snowfinder
Active member
The cops were in the wrong place because they didnt do their jobs and make sure that the person they were after was actually at that location.
14176943:Biffbarf said:
ASSholebomber22
Active member
14176944:snowfinder said:
Idk why you're trying to make an argument, I agree. It is super tragic and the result of tyrannical laws and poor police work.
She was innocent and wrongfully murdered in the wrong place at the wrong time
SuspiciousFish
Active member
14176925:ronders_ said:
Her ex boyfriend was arrested after months of surveillance into his drug operation including finding a cache of weapons and drugs. In this life you choose who you associate with and she chose to associate herself with a drug dealer for years. Of course she knew what he was up to. Hell, the cops found a dead body in a rental car under her name. He used her car to do drug runs and she is recorded on tape talking about contacting someone at the Trap house to help him post bond. The cops even GPS tagged his car and followed it to Breonna's house where her ex picked up a package. The cops had a list of addresses to run warrants on that day and her address was one because of her association with a drug runner who used her address and phone number etc for years.
Its fucked up the situation happened. I think No-knock raids are highly dangerous and that shit needs to stop- especially if they were plain clothes which is bullshit. That being said, Breonna through her own choices opened the door for that kind of situation to come into her life. I feel bad for her other boyfriend that probably had nothing to do with any of this and ended up shooting a cop and watched his girlfriend die.
Here is the full report with photos and recorded conversation:
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1
MiIfHunter
Active member
How the fuck are you going to get a fair trial when the president is the most corrupt motherfucker of them all
all the police killing ppl should be hanged
all the police killing ppl should be hanged
Charlie_Kelly
Active member
14176786:CLQ said:
They had a no-knock warrant you fucking nitwit. They didn’t even need to knock on her door but they did anyways multiple times to try and get her to a answer the door. Neighbors back that claim up.
Charlie_Kelly
Active member
14176944:snowfinder said:
There were 5 no knock warrants issued by a judge, one for her apartment. Her ex boyfriend was surveyed leaving her house with a package as well as her car being seen at his residence. He had bank accounts with her address on the profile and was receiving mail at her house.
There’s a 39 page police report detailing all this and I believe another shorter one as well. Brionnas ex (of 7 years off and on) was a convicted drug dealer.
The judge who issued the warrant had probable cause because of this above information among others. The officers on the scene didn’t have to knock but neighbors corroborate the story that they were banging on the door and saying they were the police. The commanding officer made it clear they we’re going to try and have Breonna come to the door.
Im curious why this all took place at 12:35am. Obviously most people aren’t going to answer their door when they are asleep. Breonnas boyfriend did the right thing, attempting to protect their apartment from intruders. The officers were also doing their job. It’s a messy, fucked up situation.
**This post was edited on Sep 24th 2020 at 9:40:36am
Mtuhockey33
Member
14177082:Charlie_Kelly said:
Just like every other political thread; you’re not going to change their mind. People already have their minds made up before all the facts and information comes out. They get so entrenched into their own ideology that they can’t imagine this is a grey area.
cops hada search warrant, the boyfriend shot back at police and they shot back. Shit happens in a second in these situations and it was unfortunate that a woman was killed. Cops were trying to do their job and the boyfriend was just trying to protect his house/life. Were there better outcomes? Absolutely. But in the heat of the moment, shit happens.
If you haven’t watched this video, take a minute and watch a BLM activist take a police training course after telling the cops how easy it is to determine a hostile situation (spoiler alert: he fucked up on all 3 trials)
MiIfHunter
Active member
14177072:Stainr said:
fuck off, bootlicker.
have one of your family members get killed by a pig and then tell me that bullshit
i think its time for ppl to start going chicken huntin'
Charlie_Kelly
Active member
14177107:Mtuhockey33 said:
I know but at least in the other thread a lot of the arguing is subjective. This thread is different. So much misinformation going around. The fact is police did not get the wrong house. The fact is Breonna was not shot in her bed while she slept. The fact his her ex boyfriend had a criminal record. The fact is the police had a no knock warrant for her apartment (citing her) yet chose to knock and make their presence known. These are not subjective opinions, these are objective facts. People saying the police didn’t do their job are literally ignorant to what happened. Even the leftist media are revising their stories as the actual facts come out.
This is why no knock warrants are a problem. I understand the rationale behind them (flushing of evidence) but they lead to situations where civilians can be killed for defending their property without knowing why their house is being raided.
However, stories aren’t also lining up. Breonnas bf said they never heard the police banging on the door or making their presence know while neighbors are claiming they did. Shit a neighbor heard the banging and came outside to see what was going on just to have one of the officers point a gun at (him) and tell him to go back inside. Just another reason why body cams need to be equipped on every officer.
**This post was edited on Sep 24th 2020 at 12:07:03pm
**This post was edited on Sep 24th 2020 at 12:07:47pm
MiIfHunter
Active member
14176797:r00kie said:
what the fuck are you talking about kid?
dont blame the officers?
those are the motherfuckers that killed the girl?
you are fucked in the head
MiIfHunter
Active member
police officers are the most insecure, paranoid, scared, schizophremic, pathetic, and unconfident motherfuckers around.
Charlie_Kelly
Active member
14177127:MiIfHunter said:
Agreed.
MiIfHunter
Active member
14177129:Charlie_Kelly said:
thanks
14177120:Charlie_Kelly said:
So I looked at some of the stuff again. The warrant was originally signed as a no-knock, then it was changed to a knock and announce not long before the warrant was served. According to the New York Times that interviewed some neighbors, a few said they did not announce and a couple said that they did. The AG confirmed that they announced with only one witness. Surprised they did not bring more in, at least that I heard about. All cops should have body cams. I do not understand why some departments are against them. They would do more to help officers than hurt them. Especially when it appears there was some false reporting by the police in the actual report. Intentional or not it really doesn't help their case.
It still blows my mind that someone who was in there home, late at night, and did not shoot at police was shot and killed by police and not even a manslaughter charge was brought forward. It scares me as a gun owner, that using my firearms to defend myself could easily get me killed.
I mean, look at these two cases.
In case one, the man answers the door with his gun, sees the police, and gets down on his knees while waist banding his firearm, which I believe he owned legally.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...an-shot-dead-cop-answering-door-gun-hand.html
In the second case, a woman was shot dead by a rookie cop who was scared of her dog
https://www.fox4news.com/news/ex-ar...d-for-killing-woman-while-trying-to-shoot-dog
People can argue it is a high-stress job but the fact of the matter is that there needs to be an entire system overhaul. People who aren't committing crimes shouldn't have to fear getting shot and killed by police. The number of people we should be okay with dying that way is 0. There needs to be more accountability so we don't have to deal with cases like this. If one of my old roommates went to prison, I shouldn't have to fear that my life will be ended while doing nothing wrong by poorly trained cops.
gravel
Active member
14176777:Biffbarf said:
14176797:r00kie said:
what the fuck!? she was not in the wrong place at the wrong time. police entered HER home in the MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING NIGHT. she was right where she should have been.
the police did the wrong thing in the wrong place, time is irrelevant because it would still be fucking wrong whether they did it in the middle of the day or the middle of the night.
ASSholebomber22
Active member
14177161:gravel said:
Dude take a deep breath, shit
gravel
Active member
14177174:r00kie said:
it has zero to do with reading comprehension and everything to do with whatever backwards logic you are looking at this with. what are you trying to say? you can't just get murdered in your sleep in your own home and "be in the wrong place at the wrong time." that just makes no sense. saying it's the wrong place at the wrong time makes it seem ephemeral and blameless, like it's just some random force of the universe that fate brought her to this moment in her own home that she would be killed by police. it absolves fault in the situation if you just say the victim was "in the wrong place at the wrong time." fuck no. she was in the right place at the right time. the police took the wrong actions at the wrong place. it has nothing to do with her.
gravel
Active member
14177219:r00kie said:
bruh i'm not trying to fit a narrative and i'm not trying to twist your words i'm just having a discussion about how i feel about the topic and the message of "wrong place wrong time". yes we can agree her death was tragic. and it could have been avoided. but i'm still arguing against "wrong place wrong time." do you understand how saying that attributes fault to her actions, even if that is not what you are intending to argue? because i clearly understand what you are trying to say here and that you think "wrong place wrong time" means that she is faultless.
but look at the damn sentence:
"she was in the wrong place at the wrong time" subject- breonna taylor, verb- was (the act of being at that time) - "... in the wrong place at the wrong time"
literally the structure of that thought attributes the action/inaction of breonna taylor as the cause of death.
i'm just trying to say that looking at the issue from this perspective, to describe it this way, completely absolves the police actions. it should really be:
"the police did the wrong thing, wrong place, at the wrong time."
gravel
Active member
14177237:r00kie said:
yes dude! i am not trying to say that you are blaming her, i have read and understand that your argument is that she is not at fault at all. i agree.
i am saying you should also recognize that the message you are communicating does not accurately convey what you're arguing. it was unfortunate that she was killed. it's unfortunate it happened while she was sleeping. it was unfortunate that 3 shitty cops decided to break into her home and kill her at that time. it is NOT unfortunate that she was in her house in the middle of the night doing what literally everyone in the whole fucking world does every night.
gravel
Active member
and if you say, "i'm just interpreting your words wrong" and "i have terrible reading comprehension," you are just ignorant. there will obviously always be disconnect from your thoughts, how you encode them into words, then how i, or anyone, reads those words, and how we interpret that into our own thoughts. the meaning of the original message is diluted at every step in the communication process, on my side and on your side. so instead of just trying to deflect meaning-making as the mistake of the receiver, realize that if you are trying to make a point, you have to encode that message in the right way.
but this is out of hand and off topic. i gotta chill because this is a stupid semantic argument for me to be worked up about.
but this is out of hand and off topic. i gotta chill because this is a stupid semantic argument for me to be worked up about.
Monsieur_Patate
Active member
14177120:Charlie_Kelly said:
Definitely agree on this point. On the rest of your argument, not so much.
The fact is, there is always the possibility that someone inside will not hear knocking: sleeping, headphones, whatever, plenty of reasons why someone wouldn't hear someone banging on their door. So when entering someone's home, even after knocking, the police should expect that they might take someone by surprise, and this is what apparently happened here. Not really arguing whether or not they should have knocked/not knocked, entered/not entered, they had a warrant, they had to enter.
Then you have the case of the BF, which no one is really arguing about, the guy shot at the police, the police shot back. If he didn't know it was the police and thought he was acting in self defense then that's unfortunate, but I guess shit happens, can't blame him for shooting, can't blame the police for shooting back, be thankful he didn't die and move on, I guess.
But why the fuck did the police lit up the room the way they did and killed Breonna? I think we're talking about 20 shots fired and according to a witness, one officer shot from the outside through windows with blinds closed?
That's what people are mad about, a properly trained police officer should be able to enter a room, scan it to evaluate possible threats and target the threat and not the innocent bystanders. She was shot 5 times.
Either the police properly scanned the room but then they can't aim for shit and hit her with 5 stray bullets, or they panicked and started shooting everywhere like a 10 year old in a COD lobby, either way, they fucked up and someone died. It's upsetting to see that when you're the police you can kill someone and be like "oops, my bad" and move on.
If we want things to improve (training, recruiting, idk) then it starts with accountability and not just "shit happens, here's $12 millions" because it will just keep happening. These guys should not be police officers, they obviously suck at it.
CLQ
Active member
14177148:Lonely said:
Are you saying that [tag=128249]@Charlie_Kelly[/tag] ”objective facts” are objectively wrong and easily disprove? Wow I’m so surprised that fucking idiot still doesn’t look up anything he is talking about before posting! Its like he enjoys posting lies that are easily disproven!
ColoradoDogfart
Active member
yall need to fucking chill, insulting somebody's opinion does N O T H I N G
ColoradoDogfart
Active member
You need a hug my man
14177290:d00d said:
ColoradoDogfart
Active member
14177310:d00d said:
Garble or gobble