Bombproof Twin Tip All-Mtn/BC Freestyle Powder Ski Recommendation

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sorry that this is a new, but duplicated thread from a NEWB
This ski recommendation is for a friend. My friend is a male, 6'0, ~160-170; 1st year skier, but according to him, he is an intermediate/advanced skier (blacks/glades) that has skied 6 days this year at Keystone Resort on "Head Shape 3s". A cadet at the USAFA, he has a modest budget (maximum of $700, ideally under $500, preferably under $450 [offseason]).
-"a ski to charge every type of terrain ... wide enough to float and endure lines in the backcountry, yet nimble ... enough to shred the park[, and carve groomers for both East and West, generally West]"-"a quiver of one"
He is seeking a Twin Tip All-Mtn/BC Freestyle Powder Ski.60% Park, 40% Pipe, 75% Groomers, 70% Powder, 60% Big Mountain OUT OF 500%.|000000----| 6/10 Park|0000------| 4/10 Pipe|0000000( --| 7.5/10 Groomers|0000000---| 7/10 Powder|000000----| 6/10 Big Mountain, maybe 5/10
Ideal Specifications are: 180-190 length; 90-115 waist; wood core; durable (bombproof) sidewall construction;fast, durable (bombproof) base; durable (bombproof) 360* Metal Edge; medium-stiff flex; ideally light.optional tip and tail rocker for soft snow; on the whole progressive sidecut and regular camber underfoot for quicker aggressive turn initiation on hardpack snow
My Thought is: 4Frnt VCT/MSP; Armada ARV/JJ; K2 Kung Fujas/Obsethed; Line Prophet X; Moment Rocker/Night Train/Bibby; ON3P Caylor/Wrenegade/Billy Goat; Volkl Mantra based on the ideal specifications.
I am personally fond of K2 in general, Bluehouse MR, and the Line Prophet Flite, but would take pleasure in gathering opinions on 4FRNT, and collect accreditation on Armada, K2, Line, Moment, O3NP, Volkl, and more. Additional opinions are greatly appreciated, as well, such as Atomic, Faction, Fischer, Liberty, Rossignol, Salomon, Scott.
backcountry.com recommended the Gotamas, 6th Sense Big Ski.TGR folk recommended VCT, BRO, MSP
 
kungs, JMOs from ON3P, or ARVs i think would be the best choice.
the only thing is he asked for a medium to stiff ski, so he prob wouldnt like the ARVs for that reason, and the kungs would be pushing it.
JMOs ftw.
the only thing with something like gots or seths is they are pretty burley skis. For a first year skier, even if he is gung-ho to huck himself, he wont have the technical ability to handle the gots/seths/bents etc. in sketchy situations.
it sounds like he doesnt need a fat ski, something mid fat in the mid 90s-100 would suffice just fine for what he is looking for.
Atomic pimps might be an ok idea, but they are a little bigger and also dont have the rocker that your buddy is looking for, that you would get with the JMOs.
there is a new K2 ski out, i forget the name, but it seems similar to the JMO in terms of geometry and overall shape, its purple i believe and is in a similar category.
also on the goats and the wrens, i think they might to to much for him if he is only first year.
sparks:::
1.JMO2. k2 ski i forget name of(new for 2010/2011)
 
Moment Ruby. standard camber and sidecut ski. moderately stiff, super light.

180 @ 110mm underfoot

188 @ 110mm underfoot

190 @ 112mm underfoot
 
thank you for your responses. ill relay this information to my friend. due to the price i think the jmos are the number one choice. it would be even better if he could score these in the preseason. again a cadet doesnt score too much money. and he still needs boots and bindings. but i would definitely recommend the fujas after my love of the fujatives. lol this is my bros third season riding them after i rode them for a season. i will still keep the arvs in mind, though you guys say its a bit too stiff. but i would really appreciate more info/opinions of 4frnts lineup (vct/msp) - they seem fine. also would the armada jjs work in park though they are a true bc/powder hound. and what about the moment rocker, night train, ruby or tahoe.
and i would agree that 95+ would suffice. actually i think 115 waist would be pushing it for a first year skier. 95-105 would be perfect. maybe the ruby. i dont know. too many choices these days.
but on3p is top consideration due to price. moments are sort of out of reach - as i said 700 is his limit. armada arvs are 600 so that is reasonable. and 09's kung fujas for 400 are a great price, or even the 09-10 fujas are 570. a cheap versatile, and durable ski is key. for a versatile ski i think 95 waist is a minimum, yet it has to be light, nimble, and poppy enough to ski the park for 2 laps. rocker is just an added bonus.
 
Rocker - Wide (92) symmetrical park ski with small early rise and early taper. Definitely softer than what he's looking for.

"Our Rocker is the industry’s premier rockered park ski. Its symmetrical dimensions, tip and tail taper, snowboard inspired continuous flex and rockered profile are worth its reduced swing weight in the park and off-piste versatility. Lower swing weight means bigger spins. Add the buttering and no-catch benefits of taper and early rise and this ski covers everything. The Rocker has UHMW sidewalls around our Aspen/Ash wood core under triax fiberglass and Basalt with our most durable topsheet yet."

Night Train - Pow Jib ski. Rocker, early taper, camber under foot. It's Moment's one ski quiver.

'The Night Train is the one-ski-quiver. Since the creation of super-sidecut, twin-tip, ultra fatty and now rockered skis – you’ve got nine pair of sticks hanging in the garage just to get through a season. Start purging your collection and put it toward the Night Train. Lay down carves and pivot powder turns on the same day with the same ski. Early taper, rocker, traditional sidecut and twin tipped, the Night Train excels in absolutely every snow condition. It’s the expert-of-all-trades – powder, hard pack, and park. You need to ski it to believe it."

Ruby - Your standard big mountain ski. 110 underfoot, standard camber and sidecut, medium-stiff, good touring ski, very light.

"The Ruby represents Moment well; powder, powder, maybe more powder and everything between our next powder run. Mama said there would be days like this. Pow is harder to come by – either tracked out or just fewer days. The Ruby will be your rock during those hard times. The 180 is wide and stiff enough for sketchy conditions when you need it most. The 170 and 188 have a slightly softer profile for more fun in the deep while the 190 has a smaller tail and stiffer profile for directional charging. Rely on our UHMW sidewalls, Aspen/Pine wood core and handmade lay-up process."

Tahoe - Very similar to the Ruby, just 96 underfoot.

"The Tahoe is to skiing what all-wheel drive is to your car. When mid-fats hit the market as the craziest powder skis ever they took over the radical sidecut and camber of the super-sidecut class of the 90's. Those fat skis are now our daily drivers. The Tahoe is built from the base up with UHMW sidewalls, Aspen/Pine wood core and rigid fiberglass layers under and an exceptionally durable topsheet layer. The result is an easy-to-drive and reliable ski to take you everywhere on the mountain."
 
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