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PartyBullshiit

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My new k2 recon 130 boas arrived today. Overall really pleased with the purchase. These are going to be my resort dedicated boots. I also have rossignol 110 alltrack pros as a hybrid boot for 50/50 use.

I’ve really wanted to get into the new boa since they were all announced last season but I wasn’t able to try any on for some time so wasn’t willing to spend the high cost at that point considering my Rossi’s are in really great shape.

I was out west a little earlier in the year and had a chance to get into a store and try on some boas. The k2’s agreed with my feet a lot but as mentioned at the time wasn’t looking to spend $800 just for boa when I had solid boots. Figured I’d wait a season or 2 for prices to come down a little.

fast forward to BFCM, sales started hitting places but it seemed boas were not on many sales and if they were it wasn’t much which makes sense. Still new models.

Checked out my go to Corbetts and was blown away by the boa sales. Ended up paying $497 shipped for the 24 recon 130 boa. At that price it was an absolute no brainer to pull the trigger. Already tried on. Knew they fit. Price was too good.

they arrived today. Threw on the ski socks, put my inserts in and been rocking the boots around the house for 2 hours now. I only rocked them for about 15 mins in store. Wasn’t able to stay longer. Nothing really shocking on general fit. They feel good. Which I already knew. Going to do a home liner molding to get the ball rolling. I don’t foresee any issues with the shell or needing to mod it. Didn’t need any work on my Rossi shell either.

the big positives. The boa closure

is just great. The way it allows the boot to wrap your foot is kind of insane. I’ll make a video showing but you clearly see the shell “wrap” not pinch closed like buckles.

the feeling in boot is just more comfortable. You feel “wrapped” when in the boot rather than closed into the boot if that makes sense. I just feel like out of the box the fit is so much better from the start. To be clear I also tried on the older 130 recon with buckles. The feeling is different. You “feel” the buckles on the older ones. Like where the buckles are applying pressure. Where as the boa you feel more even “pressure” over your entire foot hence the “wrapped” feeling.

it is more burly than any other boa I’ve ever felt. By a lot. The dial feels flimsy but it’s just basic plastic. Which it feels like. But I assume that’s a pro for ease of replacement and weight.

Also included different heel inserts to make them more “mellow” for impacts. I do plan to swap to the softer ones. As well as your usual liner laces, some pads for the tongue to change some shape and some wedges as well.

now onto the negative. For me at this point there is only one. They are so fucking hard to get in and out of. This was not unique to the k2’s when I tried boots on. I tried the k2, atomic and Salomon. Atomic was insane hard, k2 slightly easier with Salomon being easiest. All of them are harder than any buckle boots I’ve tried. For me this is minimal. Only deal with it getting in. And once you’re in it’s like any other boot. Getting out for me was just was easy as buckles.

that’s really all I have atm. I leave sat to breck and will be using them there then headed to beaver creek in Jan. So I’ll update as I use them.

feel free to ask any questions if you’re curious or want some specific pics.

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I’m cautious about BOA’s. Replacing boa’s on snowboard boots was the biggest pain in the ass when I worked in a shop. Replaced 2-3 a week and it was an easy 15 minutes of really finnicky bs to get them replaced.
 
14569896:-eREKTion- said:
I’m cautious about BOA’s. Replacing boa’s on snowboard boots was the biggest pain in the ass when I worked in a shop. Replaced 2-3 a week and it was an easy 15 minutes of really finnicky bs to get them replaced.

Honestly I have zero doubt about that, and I was hesitant in the beginning because of past experience with boa in shoes. No boots personally. It just wasn’t great. This isn’t that.

this ain’t your grandpas boa lol. After handling these for a while now I’m just very impressed with everything on that side of it. The actual boa system seems extremely easy to replace should the need arise. A couple screws and that’s it. Everything is external so no weird fiddling running wires inside etc. I honestly just can’t see how you could easily break this new system. The wire itself it crazy tough. I can completely understand why they say you’d likely snap the knob before ever breaking a cable.
 
14569914:deelonmusk said:
Interesting, the BOA boots I’ve tried have felt easier to get on.

Have you had a chance to try the newer alpine style boa? It’s nothing like the older or tour set ups. The opening just cannot get as wide as with buckles because of the boa cable itself.
 
14569918:PartyBullshiit said:
Have you had a chance to try the newer alpine style boa? It’s nothing like the older or tour set ups. The opening just cannot get as wide as with buckles because of the boa cable itself.

Speaking just for the Atomic version, BOA has no influence on how hard/easy the boot is to put on. The Hawx Ultra XTD 130 is just a difficult boot to put on due to the stiffness of the plastic. Buckle version is just as hard to put on as the BOA version.
 
14569904:PartyBullshiit said:
Honestly I have zero doubt about that, and I was hesitant in the beginning because of past experience with boa in shoes. No boots personally. It just wasn’t great. This isn’t that.

this ain’t your grandpas boa lol. After handling these for a while now I’m just very impressed with everything on that side of it. The actual boa system seems extremely easy to replace should the need arise. A couple screws and that’s it. Everything is external so no weird fiddling running wires inside etc. I honestly just can’t see how you could easily break this new system. The wire itself it crazy tough. I can completely understand why they say you’d likely snap the knob before ever breaking a cable.

Good to hear. When it’s time to replace my touring boots, I’ll check them out.
 
What's the last on those? I have super narrow feet with a high instep and so far Dalbello has been the only boot to fit. I wonder if with the boa it would be better for my instep.
 
14569994:RIP_leos_shack said:
What's the last on those? I have super narrow feet with a high instep and so far Dalbello has been the only boot to fit. I wonder if with the boa it would be better for my instep.

its considered a 100 last but because of the way the shell wraps with boa you actually have a range. It’s 97-100 for this specific boot
 
14569994:RIP_leos_shack said:
What's the last on those? I have super narrow feet with a high instep and so far Dalbello has been the only boot to fit. I wonder if with the boa it would be better for my instep.

FYI the atomic version is narrower boa wise.
 
14569996:PartyBullshiit said:
its considered a 100 last but because of the way the shell wraps with boa you actually have a range. It’s 97-100 for this specific boot

Sorry, I'm going to legit push back on the claim that BOA turns a 100mm lasted boot into a 97mm lasted boot. BOA doesn't change the last width at all where the foot actually sits in the bottom of the shell. The shell is not changing here. BOA allows the shell to more uniformly wrap the foot without causing the shell to collapse, but it is not pulling the bottom of the shell closer to the foot and turning a 100mm width last into a 97mm width last.

If BOA changes last width, then so do buckles, but brands never talk about buckles changing last width. When you buckle a boot, the boot is getting tighter, but we don't say the last width got any narrower. BOA doesn't change the actual last width/volume any more than buckles do.

What BOA does do is provide a better wrapping of the shell, which is awesome. You still need the proper last width & volume for your foot shape. BOA doesn't change that.

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 11:47:10am
 
I just don't see the need to close the bottom of the boot "better". My bottom buckles are usually completely unbuckled or done up as loose as possIble to keep snow out.
 
14570015:cadebucket said:
I just don't see the need to close the bottom of the boot "better". My bottom buckles are usually completely unbuckled or done up as loose as possIble to keep snow out.

agreed, unless your liners are so packed out that you're slopping around and need to clamp it down a bit. like you, i don't buckle the bottom one and just make sure my heel is locked and the cuff is snug all the way up
 
14570015:cadebucket said:
I just don't see the need to close the bottom of the boot "better". My bottom buckles are usually completely unbuckled or done up as loose as possIble to keep snow out.

In a properly fit boot, every boot fitter should tell people to buckle their boots on a loose tension. This is because buckles cause the shell to collapse when more pressure is applied with them. BOA allows the shell to wrap around the foot and not collapse, and therefore fit better than buckles without causing undue pressure. The system allows you to have more control without causing more pressure points. As someone who runs his buckles super loose, almost popping off, the BOA just works betterer.
 
14569918:PartyBullshiit said:
Have you had a chance to try the newer alpine style boa? It’s nothing like the older or tour set ups. The opening just cannot get as wide as with buckles because of the boa cable itself.

Yeah I’ve tried all of the new stuff. The BOA cable has never prevented me from being able to open the shell wide enough, they’re quite long.
 
14570005:onenerdykid said:
Sorry, I'm going to legit push back on the claim that BOA turns a 100mm lasted boot into a 97mm lasted boot. BOA doesn't change the last width at all where the foot actually sits in the bottom of the shell. The shell is not changing here. BOA allows the shell to more uniformly wrap the foot without causing the shell to collapse, but it is not pulling the bottom of the shell closer to the foot and turning a 100mm width last into a 97mm width last.

If BOA changes last width, then so do buckles, but brands never talk about buckles changing last width. When you buckle a boot, the boot is getting tighter, but we don't say the last width got any narrower. BOA doesn't change the actual last width/volume any more than buckles do.

What BOA does do is provide a better wrapping of the shell, which is awesome. You still need the proper last width & volume for your foot shape. BOA doesn't change that.

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 11:47:10am

I can definitely appreciate what you’re saying regarding the atomics, but both k2 and Salomon give a range of last for their boa boots. K2 says 97-100 for the recon. Salomon says 100-106 I Believe it was. Maybe the atomic just doesn’t react like the other due to the plastic density?

I can 100% feel my recon last get smaller while twisting the dial. I cannot create the same tightness with my Rossi’s with buckles. Which are also 100 last.
 
14570023:deelonmusk said:
Yeah I’ve tried all of the new stuff. The BOA cable has never prevented me from being able to open the shell wide enough, they’re quite long.

Weird. Maybe it’s just because it’s a 130 and new out of the box. But they are for sure much harder to get into than my seasoned boots. Which has been a con across a few reviews of boa. Slightly harder entry.
 
14570005:onenerdykid said:
Sorry, I'm going to legit push back on the claim that BOA turns a 100mm lasted boot into a 97mm lasted boot. BOA doesn't change the last width at all where the foot actually sits in the bottom of the shell. The shell is not changing here. BOA allows the shell to more uniformly wrap the foot without causing the shell to collapse, but it is not pulling the bottom of the shell closer to the foot and turning a 100mm width last into a 97mm width last.

If BOA changes last width, then so do buckles, but brands never talk about buckles changing last width. When you buckle a boot, the boot is getting tighter, but we don't say the last width got any narrower. BOA doesn't change the actual last width/volume any more than buckles do.

What BOA does do is provide a better wrapping of the shell, which is awesome. You still need the proper last width & volume for your foot shape. BOA doesn't change that.

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 11:47:10am

For reference this is directly from the k2 site. Obviously I’m not commenting on the atomics. I don’t have those.

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14570020:onenerdykid said:
In a properly fit boot, every boot fitter should tell people to buckle their boots on a loose tension. This is because buckles cause the shell to collapse when more pressure is applied with them. BOA allows the shell to wrap around the foot and not collapse, and therefore fit better than buckles without causing undue pressure. The system allows you to have more control without causing more pressure points. As someone who runs his buckles super loose, almost popping off, the BOA just works betterer.

i’m currently cranking my boots almost as tight as they can go. I don’t have any issues with pressure points on the tops of my feet and i’m pretty happy with how my boot locks me in overall. but should i be worried about needing to crank my boots a lot?
 
14570047:PartyBullshiit said:
Weird. Maybe it’s just because it’s a 130 and new out of the box. But they are for sure much harder to get into than my seasoned boots. Which has been a con across a few reviews of boa. Slightly harder entry.

Yeah, a 130 flex boot is certainly harder to get on than a 110
 
14570046:PartyBullshiit said:
I can definitely appreciate what you’re saying regarding the atomics, but both k2 and Salomon give a range of last for their boa boots. K2 says 97-100 for the recon. Salomon says 100-106 I Believe it was. Maybe the atomic just doesn’t react like the other due to the plastic density?

I can 100% feel my recon last get smaller while twisting the dial. I cannot create the same tightness with my Rossi’s with buckles. Which are also 100 last.

I'm not saying the boot is not getting tighter, clearly the boot gets tighter when you tighten the BOA dial. The shell also gets tighter when you close the buckles. My point is that for a brand to claim that the last gets narrower is disingenuous. If it is true that the last gets narrower when you tighten the BOA, then it is also getting narrower when you tighten the buckles. The reality is that the shell overlap will travel a finite amount and the maximum travel the overlap will overlap is the same regardless if it has BOA or buckles. The difference between BOA and buckles is not how much overlap will happen, but what happens to the shell when both systems are tightened. BOA wraps evenly, buckles will cause deformation.

Salomon says it gets larger because that is what Custom Shell is doing - the shell will expand after it gets heated in the oven. Their range has nothing to do with BOA.

The reason you are experiencing different sensations between a K2 BOA boot and a Rossignol buckle boot is because they are not the same boot and they have different closure systems. If you want to feel the difference between buckles vs. BOA then you need them on the same boot to run the experiment.

14570056:PartyBullshiit said:
For reference this is directly from the k2 site. Obviously I’m not commenting on the atomics. I don’t have those.

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Yes, I am very aware of what K2 claims is happening. Unfortunately, every single boot fitter is rolling their eyes at this and also calling BS. Neither Salomon, Fischer, nor Atomic are claiming this. Only K2.

BOA does not change the heel width. BOA does not change the ankle width. BOA does not change the heel-to-instep perimeter. It is not possible to take a medium volume 100mm boot and have it fit the same as a dedicated low volume 98mm boot. The only way to have a true low volume fit is to create it with a low volume last and corresponding outer mold. You can't get it by taking a medium volume/100mm last and cranking the shit out of the BOA dial. You cannot put a BOA system on a medium volume Hawx Prime and turn it into a low volume Hawx Ultra.

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 2:19:24pm
 
14570060:Voyage86 said:
i’m currently cranking my boots almost as tight as they can go. I don’t have any issues with pressure points on the tops of my feet and i’m pretty happy with how my boot locks me in overall. but should i be worried about needing to crank my boots a lot?

It's not that you need to be able to crank your boots a lot, it's just to be able to adjust the fit in a way that makes the shell fit better.

As of right now, most people are not able to run the experiment of trying on the same exact boot with buckles vs. BOA to feel the difference. There are just too few boots on the market made this way.

When there are more BOA options available where people can run this experiment, I genuinely think that people will say the BOA version fits better in a way that buckles just can't match.
 
14570063:onenerdykid said:
I'm not saying the boot is not getting tighter, clearly the boot gets tighter when you tighten the BOA dial. The shell also gets tighter when you close the buckles. My point is that for a brand to claim that the last gets narrower is disingenuous. If it is true that the last gets narrower when you tighten the BOA, then it is also getting narrower when you tighten the buckles. The reality is that the shell overlap will travel a finite amount and the maximum travel the overlap will overlap is the same regardless if it has BOA or buckles. The difference between BOA and buckles is not how much overlap will happen, but what happens to the shell when both systems are tightened. BOA wraps evenly, buckles will cause deformation.

Salomon says it gets larger because that is what Custom Shell is doing - the shell will expand after it gets heated in the oven. Their range has nothing to do with BOA.

The reason you are experiencing different sensations between a K2 BOA boot and a Rossignol buckle boot is because they are not the same boot and they have different closure systems. If you want to feel the difference between buckles vs. BOA then you need them on the same boot to run the experiment.

Yes, I am very aware of what K2 claims is happening. Unfortunately, every single boot fitter is rolling their eyes at this and also calling BS. Neither Salomon, Fischer, nor Atomic are claiming this. Only K2.

BOA does not change the heel width. BOA does not change the ankle width. BOA does not change the heel-to-instep perimeter. It is not possible to take a medium volume 100mm boot and have it fit the same as a dedicated low volume 98mm boot. The only way to have a true low volume fit is to create it with a low volume last and corresponding outer mold. You can't get it by taking a medium volume/100mm last and cranking the shit out of the BOA dial. You cannot put a BOA system on a medium volume Hawx Prime and turn it into a low volume Hawx Ultra.

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 2:19:24pm

Appreciate your input. I’m by no means saying you’re wrong and you understand where I was getting my info from.

I did mention I tried on both boots side by side recon wise and did feel a physical difference. I guess I’m wrong in the verbiage but I think you understand what I mean by it feels like most of the boot is getting smaller as you dial. I agree 100% doesn’t feel like the heel moves a single mm. Its static as can be.

for me personally if I try on a LV boot it’s beyond uncomfortable. Not slightly but massive pain. A mv 100 last has always been tight tight out of the box almost slight pain, but after molding the liner and a few skis they fit tight but no pain and no pressure spots. if I crank down my buckles to the max it’s just massive hot spots on the buckle areas. It doesn’t necessarily feel tighter overall. Just massively on the spots that are maxed down buckles wise.

the boa on the other hand with the atomic personally was still too tight out of the box where it felt like I’d have to do massive work to the shell regardless of what setting the boa was on. Which made sense. It’s LV. That’s fine. It’s not for my foot. Still a great boot.

the k2 felt tight tight like my Rossi’s did new when comparing both buckle models. I did not crank the k2 buckles down to max. So I can’t comment on that. When I tried the boa version it was again tight tight like my Rossi’s new, Just more “securely wrapped” but again no pain or hot spots just tightness. I only needed to lightly tighten the boa to get a very securely wrapped feeling.

just for shits and giggles I did crank that bitch down as tight as I could get it. And watched the shell wrap more and more at the center point. Physically it started to feel more like the atomics did in the sense it was just way too damn tight in a wrapped sense. So it felt like the last was getting much smaller. Again maybe I’m using the wrong verbiage for explaining the sensation I had. My understanding was also the boa isn’t supposed to be cracked to the fucking max to feel good. Just like your buckle’s shouldn’t maxed down just to feel secure?
 
14570064:onenerdykid said:
It's not that you need to be able to crank your boots a lot, it's just to be able to adjust the fit in a way that makes the shell fit better.

As of right now, most people are not able to run the experiment of trying on the same exact boot with buckles vs. BOA to feel the difference. There are just too few boots on the market made this way.

When there are more BOA options available where people can run this experiment, I genuinely think that people will say the BOA version fits better in a way that buckles just can't match.

As someone who *definitely* hasn't drilled holes in an existing buckle boot, bolted BOA to it, and compared fit directly back and forth, I *definitely* can't second this statement. But, if I had hypothetically done that, I hypothetically would. It makes a big, cool, worthwhile difference.
 
14570005:onenerdykid said:
Sorry, I'm going to legit push back on the claim that BOA turns a 100mm lasted boot into a 97mm lasted boot. BOA doesn't change the last width at all where the foot actually sits in the bottom of the shell. The shell is not changing here. BOA allows the shell to more uniformly wrap the foot without causing the shell to collapse, but it is not pulling the bottom of the shell closer to the foot and turning a 100mm width last into a 97mm width last.

If BOA changes last width, then so do buckles, but brands never talk about buckles changing last width. When you buckle a boot, the boot is getting tighter, but we don't say the last width got any narrower. BOA doesn't change the actual last width/volume any more than buckles do.

What BOA does do is provide a better wrapping of the shell, which is awesome. You still need the proper last width & volume for your foot shape. BOA doesn't change that.

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 11:47:10am

Matt I can appreciate what you are saying here and I do agree if we used a buckle shell with BOA we would not be making this claim. But last is measured at the widest point of the forefoot of the boot. This can obviously change as the boot closes so I do not understand why you have such a problem with this? We designed a boot which can close more than our buckle boots and we have the data to show this. Our BOA boot closes almost 3 times as much as our buckle boot so I have no issues saying the last of these BOA boots can fit this range of feet in the forefoot. But the heel volume does not change we know this, so these are still mid volume boots but we designed a shell with a far bigger range in the forefoot than has been available before.
 
14570063:onenerdykid said:
I'm not saying the boot is not getting tighter, clearly the boot gets tighter when you tighten the BOA dial. The shell also gets tighter when you close the buckles. My point is that for a brand to claim that the last gets narrower is disingenuous. If it is true that the last gets narrower when you tighten the BOA, then it is also getting narrower when you tighten the buckles. The reality is that the shell overlap will travel a finite amount and the maximum travel the overlap will overlap is the same regardless if it has BOA or buckles. The difference between BOA and buckles is not how much overlap will happen, but what happens to the shell when both systems are tightened. BOA wraps evenly, buckles will cause deformation.

Salomon says it gets larger because that is what Custom Shell is doing - the shell will expand after it gets heated in the oven. Their range has nothing to do with BOA.

The reason you are experiencing different sensations between a K2 BOA boot and a Rossignol buckle boot is because they are not the same boot and they have different closure systems. If you want to feel the difference between buckles vs. BOA then you need them on the same boot to run the experiment.

Yes, I am very aware of what K2 claims is happening. Unfortunately, every single boot fitter is rolling their eyes at this and also calling BS. Neither Salomon, Fischer, nor Atomic are claiming this. Only K2.

BOA does not change the heel width. BOA does not change the ankle width. BOA does not change the heel-to-instep perimeter. It is not possible to take a medium volume 100mm boot and have it fit the same as a dedicated low volume 98mm boot. The only way to have a true low volume fit is to create it with a low volume last and corresponding outer mold. You can't get it by taking a medium volume/100mm last and cranking the shit out of the BOA dial. You cannot put a BOA system on a medium volume Hawx Prime and turn it into a low volume Hawx Ultra.

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 2:19:24pm

Boot fitters are not rolling their eyes Matt come on. If that were true we would not be selling any boots which you and I both know is not the case.

We can agree the heel and ankle do not change but we did build a boot which can offer a far bigger range in the forefoot. And no you cant turn a mid volume prime into a low volume ultra but if you build the shell correctly you could have the forefoot fit the same. If you ski your XTD and our Mindbender you can get just the same forefoot feel BUT yours will always be the tighter in the heel which we both agree on.
 
So I've tried the Salomon, Atomic, and K2 options from BOA the fits are undeniably different as one would expect. I have a true low volume foot. Depending on the measurement brannic I'm either 28.5 or 29 on the dot with at 98 measured last. I like an aggressive fit so I always go 28.5 and I found that the Salomon was able to hug my forefoot the best of all the brands. Now I think that's more down to the shape of the shell more than anything else. In terms of the adjustable last thing, they all felt the same to me in the way they tighten. I guess what I'm trying to say is idk how much the K2 shell actually gets narrower, but I would still expect low volume foot with the right shape (always go to a bootfitter) to fit.
 
14570122:Juviticus said:
So I've tried the Salomon, Atomic, and K2 options from BOA the fits are undeniably different as one would expect. I have a true low volume foot. Depending on the measurement brannic I'm either 28.5 or 29 on the dot with at 98 measured last. I like an aggressive fit so I always go 28.5 and I found that the Salomon was able to hug my forefoot the best of all the brands. Now I think that's more down to the shape of the shell more than anything else. In terms of the adjustable last thing, they all felt the same to me in the way they tighten. I guess what I'm trying to say is idk how much the K2 shell actually gets narrower, but I would still expect low volume foot with the right shape (always go to a bootfitter) to fit.

That’s very interesting as the Salomon boa s pro is considered the widest of the three mentioned last wise out of the box
 
14570123:PartyBullshiit said:
That’s very interesting as the Salomon boa s pro is considered the widest of the three mentioned last wise out of the box

That label on the box refers the the maximum expansion of the shell, so up to 106 from 100 (they do this on all their boots). Without shell molding its technically just 100mm

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 5:13:29pm
 
14570125:Juviticus said:
That label on the box refers the the maximum expansion of the shell, so up to 106 from 100 (they do this on all their boots). Without shell molding its technically just 100mm

**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2023 at 5:13:29pm

Correct. I was more speaking of general last sizing. The atomics are known to be the most narrow, then the k2 and then the Salomon because the largest even though both the k2 and Salomon are considered MV. For me the Salomon was larger volume wise.
 
14570127:PartyBullshiit said:
Correct. I was more speaking of general last sizing. The atomics are known to be the most narrow, then the k2 and then the Salomon because the largest even though both the k2 and Salomon are considered MV. For me the Salomon was larger volume wise.

I think this just goes back to the foot shape and that being the reason for going to a bootfitter. Also the specific liner can make a difference, in the 120 Recon BOA I have to size down to 27.5 because the toe box in the liner is so big. I don't have to do that in the 130 Recon BOA because the liner feels thicker.
 
14570145:Juviticus said:
I think this just goes back to the foot shape and that being the reason for going to a bootfitter. Also the specific liner can make a difference, in the 120 Recon BOA I have to size down to 27.5 because the toe box in the liner is so big. I don't have to do that in the 130 Recon BOA because the liner feels thicker.

Yeah the liner makes a big difference. The precision fit pro in the 120 is designed to offer a more comfort/performance mix. It’s got more room in certain areas as well as more open cell foam as this customer is not looking for a performance fit compared to the 130 customer. So that makes sense why you would want to downsize to get a performance fit as that is not what the liner is designed for. The power for pro in the 130 is much firmer and also offers a much tighter fit as the 130 customer is often looking for this style of fit. The level of liner used is often overlooked but plays a big role in offering both the fit and performance to match the flex of the boot.
 
I'm just here to say that my K2 Mindbender 130 Boa's fit my personal foot like a dream and it's amazing! The Boa on the linear is gamechanger and the boa on the shell. 10/10 sick boot for my foot and skiing!

Cheers!
 
Interesting read?

What was the reason there's not BOA in place of the top buckles in the design of all these boots?
 
14570289:onenerdykid said:
Rome wasn't built in a day...

Okay but I'm guessing someone tried and it didn't work out to expectations? Not possible to crank as tight as desired?
 
14570309:HypeBeast said:
Okay but I'm guessing someone tried and it didn't work out to expectations? Not possible to crank as tight as desired?

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We started with the bottom but the top is coming….
 
14570736:onenerdykid said:
Nope. Doesn't make a difference getting in or out of the boot either.

You keep saying this and it may be true for your foot but it is not true across the board. The boa was for a fact harder for me to step into than the buckle version side by side. Foot shape will have a lot to do with this.

secondly I am not the only person to have this reaction. Here’s a direct quote from a reviewer. They’ve not been the only one to mention harder entry.

“Additionally, since the BOA cable doesn’t completely open like the buckles do, there’s a touch more resistance from an entry perspective. For skiers that have had a difficult time getting boots on in the past, this is something to consider. I didn’t find it to be a deal-breaker in the least, but it is noticeable.”

others mileage may vary but to say across the board they are not harder to get into is just not true.
https://www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2024-salomon-s-pro-supra-120-boa-ski-boot-review
 
14570725:ogit said:
Does BOA make a difference in difficulty getting the liner out of the sheel?

No the liner came in and out with the same ease as a normal boot, but they are more difficult to get on once inside the shell. For me personally.
 
14570793:PartyBullshiit said:
You keep saying this and it may be true for your foot but it is not true across the board. The boa was for a fact harder for me to step into than the buckle version side by side. Foot shape will have a lot to do with this.

secondly I am not the only person to have this reaction. Here’s a direct quote from a reviewer. They’ve not been the only one to mention harder entry.

“Additionally, since the BOA cable doesn’t completely open like the buckles do, there’s a touch more resistance from an entry perspective. For skiers that have had a difficult time getting boots on in the past, this is something to consider. I didn’t find it to be a deal-breaker in the least, but it is noticeable.”

others mileage may vary but to say across the board they are not harder to get into is just not true.
https://www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2024-salomon-s-pro-supra-120-boa-ski-boot-review

You are correct that some people do find it harder, I have heard this from a few people but we do have a solution for this at least with the k2 boots.

The lower boa system has 5 available cable lengths but we only used the middle 3 sizes across our size range of 22.5-30.5. This means that even on the biggest size there is the option of using the next cable size up which will be 5mm longer. This extra cable length will allow the boot to open slightly wider. This may help you get in and out of the boots easier.

On the k2 boots if you look inside the instep of the shell you will see the cable lengths used on your size of boot. You could then get the next cable size up and this should help you have an easier experience getting in and out of the boots. the cables are free directly from boa.
 
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