Binding Freedom/Quiver Killer Inserts for Park? BF/QK for CAST System touring?

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Question: Will Binding Freedom inserts substantially reduce the structural strength of skis? I feel pretty confident that a larger surface area will probably only help prevent a binding from ripping out. However, I am concerned about skis snapping due to the additional material removed for the larger inserts. Has anybody used these for park? Second question... are they compatible with the CAST System for touring?

Background: I'm a 6'3" 200 pound aggressive park skier. To put it in perspective, I enjoy spinning jumps up to about 40 feet, and will hit 60 foot jumps, but also have skied Corbet's and enjoyed that as well. I just bought 3 pairs of new skis and two pairs of bindings. Two are park skis ... a used, good condition 2009 Salomon Suspect 181 for $70, and a new 2017 Line Chronic 185 for $300. The third is a new 2017 Nordica Patron 193, for $377. I have two pairs of new 2018 Look Pivot 14's on the way, one with a 95mm brake, and the other with a 115mm brake (they were about $170 each). The Suspects and Chronics will take the 95mm brake, and the Patron will take the 115mm brake, in addition to eventually accommodating a CAST System plate for touring (later on).

Basically, I'm trying to solve 3 problems. 1. Making it so I don't have to buy a 3rd Look Pivot 14. I'd like to transfer the binding with the 95mm brake between the Chronic and the Suspect to save money. 2. To reduce the number of drill holes in my skis. BF holes are reusable. Regular binding holes are essentially untouchable places leftover in skis once the binding is removed. When I switch to the CAST System for my Patron's, I'll be using the same hole pattern as when the Look Pivots were there. It'd be nice to be able to pop that over myself, and not have to pay more money to have the skis remounted, in addition to losing my preferred mounting location.

I think its going to be about $50 per pair to do BF, so it should be about $70 cheaper for the park setup. And about the same price for the Patron's but in a way that *I'm guessing* won't depreciate the value of the skis as badly, if I ever sell.

Thanks guys!
 
The size of the hole is not that much bigger than a normal binding hole, and the metal of the insert is pretty strong, so adding inserts will not affect durability in regards to snapping the ski
 
i've got BF inserts on a handful of skis and have broken zero of them at the binding holes. Two pairs had a tail break just behind the heelpiece but it had nothing to do with the holes. Structural integrity is the more or less the same underfoot
 
Threads.

Was also looking into this so I can switch between the cast pivot freetour for touring and pivot 14s for inbounds on two sets of skis. The pivot 14 and the 18 are the same hole pattern and the cast system runs on the same pattern correct? So the only other thing I will have to worry about is different screws for the pivot 14 and the cast system?
 
Doesn't this completely defeat the point of the Cast system? A regular setup with alpine bindings that can be used to tour with... What would the point of another alpine binding be?

13849144:Pataguccimane said:
Threads.

Was also looking into this so I can switch between the cast pivot freetour for touring and pivot 14s for inbounds on two sets of skis. The pivot 14 and the 18 are the same hole pattern and the cast system runs on the same pattern correct? So the only other thing I will have to worry about is different screws for the pivot 14 and the cast system?
 
13849200:sambuswell said:
Doesn't this completely defeat the point of the Cast system? A regular setup with alpine bindings that can be used to tour with... What would the point of another alpine binding be?

A bit lighter weight and lower stand height for inbound days. Also if you happen to have a pair of p14s laying around the only extra thing you’re paying for is the drilling and the inserts themselves if you’re going cast anyways.
 
13849200:sambuswell said:
Doesn't this completely defeat the point of the Cast system? A regular setup with alpine bindings that can be used to tour with... What would the point of another alpine binding be?

And also only having to have one set of cast plates
 
13849204:Pataguccimane said:
A bit lighter weight and lower stand height for inbound days. Also if you happen to have a pair of p14s laying around the only extra thing you’re paying for is the drilling and the inserts themselves if you’re going cast anyways.

I don't think the CAST is any higher once modified. And if it is, it's still super low compared to lots of other alpine binders.
 
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