BINDING DILEMMA!!!

pDails

pDails

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So, the cadidates:

08 Scratch 140 Ti WB

07 Deadbolt 614

08 Scratch 120 WB

08 PX12 Jib

08 Solly 914

08 STH 12

These are going to be going on my 07 lizzies, but might be switched to a different pair of skis. I am 5' 11" 200 lbs level III skier. I am leaning more toward an 14 din binding becuase it will allow me to up the din on deep powder days, and if i switch the binding to my scratch bc's i raise them up a little. I understand that there are some 12 din bindings on the list, but that mostly becuase they are cheaper and more easily available. I have already found a shop near my house that has a vist jig so mounting deadbolts are not a problem. i am used to having look/rossi bindings, so im a little questionable of solomon because i have heard they are mostly plastic, and not the most durable. the top of my list right now are deadbolts or scratch 140. those are the two i want the most info/feedback on!!
 
Ive ridden marker, salomon, and look/rossi, and my favourite thus far is look/rossi. I think the Axial 140's would be great, but, if your riding ata 14 DIN(I assume thats what you meant when you said your leaning towards a 14 DIN?) the scratch 140s are solid, as well as the px12 jibs.
 
dilemma? you're choosing among pretty much every freeskiiing worthy binding (ed note..i could be wrong since i only looked at the length of the list). do some research and pick a damn binding. it's not that hard.
 
uh this would be researching...i am looking for information about the bindings from people on ns who have actually used them.
 
I really like salomons, but I'm a bit lighter then you, so idk how that would work out for you. I've heard some good things about the 4frnt bindings too. I would stay away from the scratches though.
 
id say 914 or scratch 140. the deadbolts would also be very good but ive always looked at those as not much bang for you buck. the 914 and 140 ar very similar statistic wise. they both weigh about 2.7 lbs. (914=2.6, px14=2.8) personally and from what ive head they are about the same durability wise. th scratch are going to have a vertical release toe but the px heel sucks appearantly. as for the sollis, the wings on the toe have been known to come loose, but thats easily fixed with a screwdriver and some lockite.
 
dont get me wrong, deadbolts are an awsome binding. but honestly they aren't significantly better than look/rossis. at least not so much better that they're worth the extra $100.
 
i love my 614s to death and from here on out i will be mounting them on every ski i buy. ive had pivots/axials and fks and i had nothing but problems. i would reccomend deadbolts in a secon. this other guy doesnt know what hes talking about.
 
dude, its just my opinion. i agree, they're sick bindings, but i wouldn't spend the extra money on hem personally.
 
well i can get the deadbolts for 199 cause they are 07 and the scratches are 08 so they are about 230 or 240 i think. are you saying you would get deadbolts if they were the same price as the comparable look/rossi?
 
i would get deadbolts over the look/rossi if they were the same price.

and yes they do have upwards release but it can be locked and unlocked if you want it to be.

for the price difference go with deadbolts
 
come on man...its hard enough narrowing it down. im just looking for feedback on the two i askedd about.
 
I remember reading somewhere the scratches are pretty heavy. Someone update on that?

Also, why exactly are you set on going 08? You can get some good old 12jibs for $101. Either that or you can get yourself some nice FKS 155 for cheaper than all of those 08s
 
yeah, like 2.8 lbs per binding. the deadbolts are 2.7 though. fks 155 is like 2.8 also. in this case all the candidates are pretty much the same weight so i didn't bother mentioning it.
 
i think i was referring to the scratch 120 then, is there a difference between the 120 and 140, other then spring stiffness? i think its the 120 which is heavy compared to its 12din competition
 
but those have a slightly more narrow heal pattern, which is more prone to ripping out. But first off, how much do you way kid and how old are you.
 
It also depends on what ski you are mounting on. More of a chance of a tear-out on a pair of ARV's than on an Ar6.

Seriously tho, lets look at this logically. Deadbolts have been out for one full season, and have had few problems. Look/Rossi bindings have been out for a long time, and have had a few more problems. Go with a proven binding. The majority of people on here ride look/rossi bindings, and numbers dont lie. Dont worry about the weight. 0.1 of a pound is nothing, its the swingweight of the ski that matters.

If I were you, I woundnt gow ith deadbolts. They havent proven themselves in my mind. Tonnes of people ride look/rossi, and I know that they are solid. Look into some Px/axial, p series, or fks is your cool enough.
 
Someone said it already, but look at the STH 16 or S916...depending on what your DIN is normally at, either of those would be a good choice, the S916 is a race-stock, totally proven binding, but it's heavier than those other ones, the STH 16 is supposed to be the same bomber construction, but lighter for freeskiing.

PX heel sucks balls.

4FRNT=VIST...eh...depends on who you ask, some love them and some hate them.
 
^agreed.. PX heels suck balls.

I personally love my 4frnts (I have 614's on my bacons). I'd say $199 for 614's. Go with them!
 
I just noticed he's mounting these on Lizzies. Although a soft, and somewhat fat ski I'm not really sure if the FKS will rip out. You can always ask for a helecoil mount as that would help them stay in. Regardless, I would also say Rossy/Look would be a proven way to go.

And I would also just stay with finding them for a good price online. I don't think there's any differences other then paint from 07 to 08, or years past in fact.
 
Seriously man - you are not going to go wrong with either the look/rossi or the 4frnt. It will be harder to find someone to work on the 4frnt (Hillcrest in Gresham, by the way), but it is race proven Vist tech. There have been some complaints about the px heelpiece, but I ride them and know many other people that ride them, and they have been trouble free in my experience.

All my skis are mounted with look px12ti's, and they have worked great for me. My brother has deadbolts on his JP vs Juliens, and it is a sick setup.
 
i've ridden almost every binding except deadbolts and i can say rossi/look is the best. px, p series, axial, and fks in my opinion are all better than other bindings. if your gonna have your din above 10 i'd consider a 14 din
 
thanks for all the help everyone but alot of people arent reading through and listening. i fully understand i can get an 07 px12 jib for 100, but i was hoping to get a 14 din binding because it will give me alot more freedom to play with my din. if i go 12 then i wont have any room to up my din on powder days with out me risking damaging my springs or shortening the life of my springs. i would get an 07 scratch 140 or px 14 if i could find one, but i cant. also the 08 is the only i can find, and it looks really sick.
 
then why even mention the 12's? You say you can't get the rossi 14's. Just make the obvious choice here and get the 614's. End of conversation.
 
because i made the decision i wanted a 14 din binding after i posted the thread. and i didnt say i couldnt get the scratch 140's, just not the 07's. learn to read.
 
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