for out west they will be sick, they have a bigger waste than the karmas, so more float in pow, also, the tail on the big's is a little higher than the tip, not as high as the JPs but much more than the karma, don't get me wrong, i love volkls more than any other ski, the karmas are your 1 ski quiver if you ski park, groomers, crud, powder, bc, and w/ the higher stifness, more sidecut, etc, of karma they turn alot better in anything but powder