Better to shoot in 24fps or 60fps

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Been shooting on a dslr, and I am starting to wonder if its a more professional looking or crisper image if I shoot at 1080p 24 fps. All edits are for web only so do I gain or loose anything shooting everything at 720p 60fps besides the slow motion capabilities? I understand the difference of the two I am just wondering what frame rate you top level filmers are shooting at most of the time.
 
Use 720 at 60fps. fps isn't just for slowmotion, it will make your video look alottt better all together.

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Not much. Theres not much of a noticeable difference from 1080 to 720 quality wise, but your video looks alot better in a higher frame rate.
 
Just curious, what exactly do you believe looks "better" about a higher frame rate? Obviously it eliminates motion blur at high speeds, but that can be avoided by a shutter speed increase most of the time. There's no disadvantage to 30p aside from the fact you won't be able to make your entire video slowed down by 70% and Twixtor won't look as sick.
 
I cant stand shooting in 30fps when I have the option of 60 still in HD. Motion blur is a big part of it yes.
 
60fps also seems alot smoother, at least with my t2i. If I shoot 30fps handheld it is all jittery and shaky and completely unusable, but when I put it to 60fps it's much more fluid. I do think the 30p/24p looks more cinematic and I like to render it to that sometimes
 
So are many ski edits shot in 24fps is that choppier cinematic look something people are doing in action sports or is it all about the smoother 60fps look?
 
For action sports or anything that has a lot of movement use 60fps. Just my opinion, dont know why anyone would ever use 24fps for skiing, when 60 is available..
 
You see a lot of ski edits in 24p because people edit their footage in 60p then export in 24p. Thats what i do. 60p has no better look over 24p other than a smoother image. And no, you will not lose to much quality with 720p over 1080p. At least with a canon rebel series. Some people love how 24p looks with action, some hate it.
 
You're forgetting the creativity a lot of these filmers put into the higher end edits. Entirely personal preference OP, but I'll give you it simply.

1080p @ 24fps = Higher resolution video, easier to view for long periods of time, extreme motion blur in action sports, no slo-mo capability.

720p @ 60fps = Somewhat lower resolution, extremely bothersome on the eyes when watching for long periods of time, no motion blur, extensive slo-motion capabilities

Obviously 720p @ 30fps is simply a lesser version of 60fps. It should also be noted that the resolution difference will be somewhat to not noticeable at all when the video is being uploaded online. Also take note that the "easier/harder to view for long periods of time" can be adjusted when shooting in 60fps by rendering your final product at 24fps. (This will not affect motion blur etc. as it is being applied after the fact)

Easiest way to think of it:

24fps = shooting in the moment is key

60fps = post production is key
 
Which brings me to my next question, I edit in fcpx (I know I know, but it's getting better) any tips on using 24 and 60fps footage in the same timeline. Does it take care of it automatically or does something need to be done?
 
I've never really understood why you'd shoot at 24fps instead of 30, can't you just conform(may be using the wrong term) to 24 so it's identical to how it would have been if shot at 24? and it's near impossible to add frames.
 
I heard somewhere that there was a higher bitrate at 24p, but maybe that was for a different camera, idk. I just shoot at 30 and conform it if i want 24p.
 
Some say that 24p has a more "filmlike" look then 30p. I have no evidence to back this up but it's just a common thing i see when scrolling through other forums.
 
Yeah, I get that people like 24p, I personally don't notice much of a difference, but people say they do so fair enough. I just don't get why you wouldn't shoot in 30p and change it to 24p if you wanted to.
 
By that do you mean conform it to 24 and make it slow mo or just drop the extra frames and make it 24.
 
Did I say conform? No I didn't say anything about the actual editing I said shoot 720p60 and export 24 edit in 60 or edit in 24 whatever you want I was saying shoot 60 and have your end result 24.
 
Stop spewing nonsense. You should take a fee months off from posting, nothing you say is ever right
 
... you can upload 60 I've done it. I don't care if you give a fuck I'm not gonna let idiots like you spread bullshit info when people are looking for advice. I'm not gonna let you misinform the less educated you're like a kid who failed calculus but is trying to teach it to others.
 
Yeah qz you CAN upload 60fps to YouTube, but they then change it(I'm pretty positive) to either 24/30 I'm assuming.
 
I think it's something to do with your actual eyes, like they process everything in 24p so it's like watching real life...don't quote me on that
 
i feel like this thread is sooo confusing in a bad way. like evan said, shoot 60 export 24. all the frame rate stuff about 60 looking smoother than 24 is true because you are seeing twice as many frames.

all the motion blur stuff that has to do with shutter speed. if you want less motion blur you set a higher shutter speed but you also get a more staccato, or jittery look. if you want it to be a bit smoother looking with some motion blur than slower shutter
 
60P at 1080 is even better! But current canon DSLRS don't come with dat built in. 60P you have the most flexibility in post because you are starting with twice as many frames per second as the other options.

If I am producing something that is not action sports though, and has alot of interview stuff, I shoot in 24 out da camera so its the most direct hasslefree workflow for a more cinematic result.
 
Time for my 2 cents, because you're all wrong IMHO.

Shooting in 1080p 24fps is way better for shooting anything displayed on a larger screen than a computer display. Sometimes even a computer display. This allows you to use 1/50th shutter speed, which lets action look less choppy, more realistic, and better for any panning, even if displayed on a small screen. It looks much more professional and smooth then 60fps on large screens, and sometimes it will look smoother on a laptop monitor as well.

But I don't have slomo anymore wahhhh!!!

For when you want a shot to be played back in 50%, or a ramped slowmo, you have to shoot in 720p 60fps. Don't shoot everything slomo. We've all seen the edit that has 1 minute of sick footy, cut into a 5 minute boring slomo edit. Don't do that. Shoot 60 fps only in situations where you are FOR SURE going to use slow motion in post. Oh and edit 1080p 24 and render in your 720p clips.

Some of you will say, no 1/50th is too slow, you miss all the action. Boo. Learn to pan, follow cam, or whatever. It will look better like that, trust me, I learned the hard way.

tldr: Use 1080p 24fps at 1/50th almost always, slow motion footy sometimes. Ok?
 
Sorry for double post,

Just wanted to say you can upload 60fps to youtube and vimeo, but they will render it into 30fps :(

Don't know if NS does this, Pinkbike does too.
 
REALLY!? Did not know. Syked tho, as soon as I get some cash, that is my next whip already decided haha. Wewp.
 
is a good example of what he was talking about with current canon dslr's not having 1080/60p? I really hope this doesn't turn into another 60i vs 60p thread
 
Here's an idea. If you are still concerned/questioning what resolution + frame rate to record at. Go outside, bring your camera. Film in all possible, or preferable ways you want. Try get something or someone moving fast if you are testing "sports" like video, or film whatever you want. View your video on your computer, find what setting looks best to you. Export in 24, 30, and 60, and see which looks best to you after you finished with all your editing.
 
You just said it was IMHO but then said everyone was wrong? You lost any real respect right there. Everyone has their own work flow, shooting 24 is cool but honestly if you can shoot 60 and export 24 it doesn't matter unless you're a huge pixel peeper. Also shut 1/50 for 24 is fine but for action I like shooting a little higher, for 60 I shoot 1/180. Its all personal preference, no one is "wrong".
 
I completely agree. In this industry, nothing really is "wrong". Everyone does something different, which is why people favorite certain artist.
 
Yeah, wrong was a bad choice of words.

1/180 at 60fps works fine for computer screen viewing.

I'm just saying from my experience, I feel that 1/50th works better, however for follow cams in skiing 1/180 should be fine.
 
This is an old forum, but in case anyone comes across it to avoid further confusion on this subject, I will lay it out straight, easy to understand, and logical.

When shooting anything like sports, a lot of people like to shoot at 60p, because it helps capture every moment possible. You won't notice a "big" difference when lowering from 1080p, to 720p, to shoot at 60fps. The thing to understand however, is that shooting in 60p, you sacrifice a film look. So unless you are on a football field trying to film an actual movie, you can shoot at 60p.

24p is the standard for movies in the U.S. We use 24p to get the cinema quality. Only reason I would ever use 60p for other than sports, is to get the most out of slow-motion. I would prefer to use 120p, or 240p, for effective and smooth slow-motion.

Now rendering down to 24p post filming and using editing software isn't the best idea if you used 60p to capture your footage. It can make the motion blur look very unnatural. Capture what you want in a movie in 24por 30p, and only go above that when trying to capture slow-motion.

I hope this helps. :)
 
13618528:BrumalInter said:
This is an old forum, but in case anyone comes across it to avoid further confusion on this subject, I will lay it out straight, easy to understand, and logical.

When shooting anything like sports, a lot of people like to shoot at 60p, because it helps capture every moment possible. You won't notice a "big" difference when lowering from 1080p, to 720p, to shoot at 60fps. The thing to understand however, is that shooting in 60p, you sacrifice a film look. So unless you are on a football field trying to film an actual movie, you can shoot at 60p.

24p is the standard for movies in the U.S. We use 24p to get the cinema quality. Only reason I would ever use 60p for other than sports, is to get the most out of slow-motion. I would prefer to use 120p, or 240p, for effective and smooth slow-motion.

Now rendering down to 24p post filming and using editing software isn't the best idea if you used 60p to capture your footage. It can make the motion blur look very unnatural. Capture what you want in a movie in 24por 30p, and only go above that when trying to capture slow-motion.

I hope this helps. :)
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3 years later I'll still always recommend you shoot skiing at the highest frame rate you possibly can and then adjust in post. I shoot all my edits in 60p and I export all my edits 24p and I think it looks great.
 
I agree with ya boi Heath on this one too. Been shooting 24 all season, shot one day in 60p and that's what the camera is staying at from now on. I was suuuuuuper stoked with how all the footage turned out, exactly what kinda style shooting I was looking for. It really come down to personal preference, if you're the one doing all the filming and editing just shoot whatever you like most. There is no wrong just shoot what you enjoy to watch!
 
Shoot 60, export 30, I always like shooting 60 just incase I captured something cool that i would want to slow down in post. However, IMO, i find that videos uploaded in 60fps look kinda weird, I usually export to 30
 
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