the best combination, i've found, is a pair of leather choppers (leather mittens with insulation and finger spaces, you can get them at menards) over a thin pair of gloves, you cant even really call them gloves, they are just really thin fabric, mostly made for little kids, they have lots of different designs on them. although they dont look that cool, it takes quite a long time to rip them and your hands stay very warm. and its easy to take your hands out and put them back in without them getting cold cuz you have the little gloves on.