Best Freestyle boots?

[East_Coaster]

So, you are saying the Nordica Doberman 130 has a different flex than my GPX 130? yeah no. The gpx has a different liner and rubber boot boards. Pretty much the only difference. Miiight havea slightly wider ankle area.

Saying that all race boots flex like a 2x4? Now you cant be serious dude. They make all sorts of flexes of race boots. Even 80 flex like your precious SPK!!!!

Im sorry that you cant flex a 130 boot man, but you should try to do some research. You need it.

And I never said race boots flex all the same. Can you please read my message entirely before posting? And I never said spks are amazing, all I said is that they're an ok boot to start with. You can also get different flexes than 80. And I can flex a 130 boot. I weigh 165 and am 5'9". And have you ride both pairs? If not, how do you know they even feel the same? I rode a pair of race boots before my lances and there is a difference. I wish I still had those landed because these spks are garbage after 3 seasons. Liners shit and the buckles shot. It's also because I go big. Hopefully get some full tilts next year.

 

[East_Coaster]

Lange boots sorry, I didn't preview.

 

[profa_212]

I'm saying these boots feel different entirely. The flex is the same, but the boots still feel different. Racing boots are always stiffer it's just how they're made. They're also heavier.

They are the exact same. Racing boots are not always stiffer. They are the same.

I never said you couldn't buy an 80 flex race boot, I simply said they have a totally different feel than a freeride boot. They're heavier than free rides and they're like this for a reason. They're meant for gripping hardpack and ice better than a freeride. This is the same with a racing boot and freestyle boot. I know some of the full tilts are based off race boots but this does not mean they are exactly alike. Freestyle boots are meant to absorb shock from rails, jumps, etc. Racing boots are meant to grip the hardpack and ice. Now this doesn't mean race boots don't absurd impact because good race race boots are but compared to a freestyle boot, the freestyle boot absorbs more.

So the entirety of your different feel comes down to weight? Yeah that 15 grams makes a huge difference man. They are the exact same boot ya fuckin kook.

And most of those "shock absorbers" are marketing. They don't do anything. The only thing that makes a huge difference us a properly fit footbed.

I am now 110% sure we are being trolled

 

[East_Coaster]

They are the exact same. Racing boots are not always stiffer. They are the same.

So the entirety of your different feel comes down to weight? Yeah that 15 grams makes a huge difference man. They are the exact same boot ya fuckin kook.

And most of those "shock absorbers" are marketing. They don't do anything. The only thing that makes a huge difference us a properly fit footbed.

I am now 110% sure we are being trolled

Haha I love you dude. This just made my day

 

[onenerdykid]

I know what you mean and i know you pick boot flex on your ability but I don't see weight as being the biggest issue. A flex of say 120 puts your weight over your skis more than an 80. Now hopefully you all know why this can be a good and bad thing. The good thing is your more forward and able to control skis in hardpack and icy conditions. This boot just doesn't perform the same way in powder. You can't get as far back on your tails as you would with a softer flex. It's just simple physics. I agree that a 120 flex is better though in most cases because like everyone's pointed out is the shin bang. But there's a median to the flex and a little bit around. For instance, some people may go with a 110 or a 130 opposed to a 130 due to their ability. Ski flexes aren't set in stone.

The same boot does not put all people in the correct position for skiing. Therefore, some beginners need to be super high performance boots while others do not. Some park skiers will be in world cup race boots while others will not. Simply because you are "X" skier, it does not mean you take "X" boot.

What I am saying is that you do not and should not pick a boot based on your skiing ability. This is because not everyone has the same biomechanics and therefore needs different things for their body and that trumps where and how they ski on the mountain. If everyone had the same biomechanics and subjective build, then yes we could choose boots based on ability. But that is clearly not what happens.

The right flex is the one that is right for YOU. If you are a beginner who weighs 100 pounds soaking wet, you will require a boot that is softer than the beginner who weighs 200 pounds. If you have ever tried to fit an overweight beginner, then you will instantly see that a "beginner" boot is absolutely the wrong boot for them.

The right flex is the one that matches your weight, your height, your strength, your ankle flexibility, and lastly and least based on your personal preference. If you personally like soft boots but you have a limited ankle range of motion, then you are setting yourself up for utter pain and discomfort by a choosing a softer flexing boot. If you personally like super stiff boots but you can't properly flex a 130, you are also setting yourself up for pain and discomfort. The reason is the boot doesn't match your subjective, biomechanical needs.

Shins are in the tongue but race boots are more stiff dude. You can't be serious? There is a difference between race boots and freeride boots. Have you tried a pair of race boots then freeride? For one, there's weight and then there's stiffness. So boots are based of other boots. That doesn't mean they're an exact replica of that boot.

Historically, "freeride" boots were simply race boots that were colored differently- no change whatsoever. If you look at freeride athletes over the last 20 years, 99% of them are in race boots because they want the stiffness and stability that race boots provide. Today, however, freeride is quickly becoming freeride touring, so race boots will not suitably meet their needs: race boots lack tech inserts, a rockered rubber sole, and a walk mode. The goal of a modern freeride touring boot is to offer the same skiing performance and foothold of a race boot, but with the features I mentioned. If it can also be light, that is a bonus.

 

[oxiclean]

I never said you couldn't buy an 80 flex race boot, I simply said they have a totally different feel than a freeride boot. They're heavier than free rides and they're like this for a reason. They're meant for gripping hardpack and ice better than a freeride. This is the same with a racing boot and freestyle boot. I know some of the full tilts are based off race boots but this does not mean they are exactly alike. Freestyle boots are meant to absorb shock from rails, jumps, etc. Racing boots are meant to grip the hardpack and ice. Now this doesn't mean race boots don't absurd impact because good race race boots are but compared to a freestyle boot, the freestyle boot absorbs more.

You're kinda wrong dude.