Bad ski technique

[kami]

Hey man, any specific video examples of this? I am a visual learner always trying to up my game in all facets of the sport so videos with timestamps would be appreciated

I guarantee I'm a better skier than you.. So step the fuck back.. were you on the Batalla pro team or on the French Dynastar team before that no was I yes.. There is a point in this thread .. And the point is that people need to learn how to ski properly or skiing will lose it self. We need to teach people that bad form and bad style will not be rewarded and keep that going through History just like surfing ..

Hey man I'm not sure if you literally made this thread to yell at clouds like other people are saying but I asked you a question and you completely ignored it and then are so jaded to even start bragging about your past to other people but don't want to take the time to answer a question to help myself and others who are the youth of the sport that will keep progressing the sport into the future.

 

[willysworld]

Hey bud, if you ski proper its nice and easy to link turns between features. Then again half these kids cant even link a line together. Ski proper and you will have all the relaxed turns you need. Lets take 5 palmer laps then go straight to the park 88% of these skiers would cramp or have to take a break and smoke a spliff before they coild cause their legs hurt so bad from shit form.

Is palmer laps like skiing the whole palmer snowfield top to bottom ? I've never been to Mt Hood so please excuse my ignorance . I'm not trying to hate on anyone in this thread you guys can hate me or love me I don't give a shit.. These things need to be said ..

 

[a_burger]

itt: ex racers REALLY need to let you know how much better their technique is then yours

 

[Hoodliving]

Is palmer laps like skiing the whole palmer snowfield top to bottom ? I've never been to Mt Hood so please excuse my ignorance . I'm not trying to hate on anyone in this thread you guys can hate me or love me I don't give a shit.. These things need to be said ..

yes sir 1500 vertical drop, when I worked rope tows for windells every morning loaded backpack drills and shovel in hand it was a hobby for me to match carves and try to keep up with the racers.

Dude scream it from the mtn tops, everyone is so worried about offending someone that they just follow the trends or majority vote. People refuse to adapt since rhey assume they know best for them, and throw away knowledge and skills that have been engrained in the sport since the start and just say naw man I do me its cool. Its wack. Tline way way back had posters on walls explaining and diagraming proper turns and how to initiate and exit so that people could ski. They should bring thay idea back considering most instuctors are a rip off

 

[willysworld]

yes sir 1500 vertical drop, when I worked rope tows for windells every morning loaded backpack drills and shovel in hand it was a hobby for me to match carves and try to keep up with the racers.

Dude scream it from the mtn tops, everyone is so worried about offending someone that they just follow the trends or majority vote. People refuse to adapt since rhey assume they know best for them, and throw away knowledge and skills that have been engrained in the sport since the start and just say naw man I do me its cool. Its wack. Tline way way back had posters on walls explaining and diagraming proper turns and how to initiate and exit so that people could ski. They should bring thay idea back considering most instuctors are a rip off

I 100% agree with you .

 

[kpow]

OP: yeah I've been skiing since I was 5 and am never paying for a lesson so either gimme a link to a youtube video teaching me how to "stack myself" or whatever or fuck off haha obviously kids who never raced aren't going to have been taught racing techniques so teach us all this proper technique instead of just chirping us u obviously know more than us so bless us with your secret racer knowledge

 

[KravtZ]

I have been saying this for years on this website. Its pathetic at the level of technique / form that so many "freeskiers" ride with all over the mountain....and that goes for the east coast and west coast.

Everyone hates on the racers/mogul guys but when it comes down to it they are 1000x better skiers than most "freeskiers" out there.

I think its still insanely important and a much better judge of skill to watch someone go down the hill and watch them carve, make big / small turns, body position, etc.

Who gives a shit if you can throw a sketchy 7. Most park rats are horrible skiers and I will back that claim 7/7 days a week.

That being said NS is obviously such a small % of the ski world and almost its own bubble since many many on here can rip like none other and kill it. But most people aren't into skiing quite like this websites demographics.

 

[Brocka_Flocka]

My parents are ski instructors. I got raised by PSIA. But I'll watch a dub cork 10 any minute over some turns with great angluation and edge control. Who cares about what happens between the tricks? That goes for big mountain comps too.

That's the fucking point of a big mountain comp. To link up features smoothly and/or quickly in a unique way.

 

[fatmilf]

I compete in a lot of big mountain comps and most of the skiers really aren't that good they just side slip and do hack turns and straight line over gnarly zones with horrible style..

I grew up doing mogul drills.. this taught me to ski with a stacked body position and how to properly angulate an edge.

What's going to happen to skiing when Candide etc. are too old to ski? Basic ski skills are dying.. Watch Henrick ski big mountain. it's ugly as fuck .. amazing skier but that style isn't what's up.. Look at Candide.. stacked body postion.. calm upper body lower body doing all the work.. the guy skis like water.. same with Tanner and Parker.. the only kids coming up with amazing ski skills are Kye Peterson and Logan Pehota and I'm pretty sure both of them raced for years before skiing because their parents knew what was needed to make them proper skiers...

It's like surfing and aerials and not being able to do big power hacks... they should be a huge part of someone's surfing in order to be considered a "Good surfer" just cause you can do a full rotation air reverse doesn't make you a good surfer.. you have toe have the rail game to back it up like Dane Reynolds.

There is a reason that Dane is considered to be the best surfer in the world atm.. because he has the all around game and fundamentals to back it up.. In my opinion, this is a really big deal in skiing and needs to be talked about and taught to young kids coming up... You all need to learn how to ski properly... not just side slip turns... It's ugly as fuck and makes skiing in general look really bad... So many edits I cringe when I see people skiing powder...

Fuck off. Its FREE skiing. Have fun, do whatever you want, don't tell other people what to do. This is just as bad as FIS regulations. Nobody 'needs' a technical background. That's pretty much the exact opposite of what this sport is about.

 

[rozboon]

blah blah blah wank wank wank... were you on the Batalla pro team or on the French Dynastar team before that no was I yes.. wank wank blah blah skiing will lose it self. wankety wank wank I can't keep up in the park so I like to talk shit on people who are better than me at one element of skiing ..

Yep that's what I thought.

Who the fuck cares?

Does it really offend you that much?

There are plenty of people out there laying down sweet euro-carves so you don't really need to concern yourself with a bunch of people that slay park but don't have perfect hip rotation.

I respect the hell out of people with precise technique. I also respect the hell out of people who throw down in the park. Maybe try flipping your perspective and enjoying what they can do rather than hating on what they can't.

 

[McNoche]

Cause it's ugly as fuck when people don't have good technique .. Simple and we should establish that it's unacceptable to have bad technique.

I have seen a lot of dumb shit posted on this forum. I have posted a lot of dumb shit on this forum. But this, this is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read. You went full dipshit and I am embarrassed for you.

 

[corona]

I guarantee I'm a better skier than you.. So step the fuck back.. were you on the Batalla pro team or on the French Dynastar team before that no was I yes.. There is a point in this thread .. And the point is that people need to learn how to ski properly or skiing will lose it self. We need to teach people that bad form and bad style will not be rewarded and keep that going through History just like surfing ..

I can't believe you're pro. I am so much better than you at skiing.

 

[californiagrown]

OP: yeah I've been skiing since I was 5 and am never paying for a lesson so either gimme a link to a youtube video teaching me how to "stack myself" or whatever or fuck off haha obviously kids who never raced aren't going to have been taught racing techniques so teach us all this proper technique instead of just chirping us u obviously know more than us so bless us with your secret racer knowledge

It ain't tough to see, just look around then practice. When you are quick edge to edge, and can ski fast and smooth and 100% controlled through any snow surface, you'll know you have it

I like airs and straight lining too, but you also need to know how to go from backseat landing to front seat hard, trenched carve to avoid people and obstacles... otherwise you're a danger.

A lot of park skiers with shit skiing skills get into rowdyish oft piste terrain and because they have big balls they send stuff and charge stuffwith... but not with a whole lot of control. It's kinda like giving a 16 year old a 400hp car and telling him to just have fun!!

Fuck off. Its FREE skiing. Have fun, do whatever you want, don't tell other people what to do. This is just as bad as FIS regulations. Nobody 'needs' a technical background. That's pretty much the exact opposite of what this sport is about.

With out the ability and skillset that a racing background gives you you aren't enjoying much of what skiing has to offer. Being in 100% snappy control at any speed on the snow is a feeling unlike any other.

Think of it as a suggestion to discover a new fun aspect of skiing .

You don't need to have a racing background, but it sure does help to have learned those fundamentals early on. Just like art or cooking, there are basic fundamentals that every artist/chef learns... how you build on those, morph those and ultimately find your own style is up to you. But unless you are a very, very rare talent, you are missing out because you lack the basics.

But hey, you might rip. Idk. You might be laying railroad track on every icy groomer you see, and ripping zipper lines faster than Charlie sheen rips other kinds of bumby snow lines.

 

[a_burger]

to sum up how stupid this thread is, how about you guys actually talk about technique and post pics/vids of good technique rather then just jerking each other off about how you have better technique then all these park rats. Thats what epicski is for

 

[Zimmy]

It ain't tough to see, just look around then practice. When you are quick edge to edge, and can ski fast and smooth and 100% controlled through any snow surface, you'll know you have it .

Have you seen this fun vid of racers crashing?

Ski racing technique is difficult to master and in my view does not lend itself well to skiing off the race course, where gates don't exist and terrain is much more variable. Learning how to race isn't going to hurt you, but it's not the be all and end for piste-skiing, or skiing in general.

Personally, to become a great all-round skier, rather put more time into snowboarding than ski-racing given the choice. Anyhow, I find racing technique completely vulgar to watch anyhow.

 

[3mania]

Good explanation of stacked position

 

[MikeWeinerONE]

Look at Grant Howard, Martin Lentz, Max Durtschi, Logan Pehota, Andrew Pollard, Ian Borgeson, Chanc' Deschamps-Prescott, Taylor Pratt, Xander Guldman, Trace Cooke, and tell me young adults can't ski. I could go on and on.

Traveling with juniors on IFSA and JFT would blow your mind. They also all can ski park. Granted they are all from out west.

 

[californiagrown]

Have you seen this fun vid of racers crashing?

Ski racing technique is difficult to master and in my view does not lend itself well to skiing off the race course, where gates don't exist and terrain is much more variable. Learning how to race isn't going to hurt you, but it's not the be all and end for piste-skiing, or skiing in general.

Personally, to become a great all-round skier, rather put more time into snowboarding than ski-racing given the choice. Anyhow, I find racing technique completely vulgar to watch anyhow.

Terrain dictates where and how you turn similar to gates. Learning how to trench a hard turn in firm conditions on bumpy hard snow is very nice to know how to do so you can ski fast and fluid off piste. Knowing how to snap out of a short hard carve, or get out of the backseat quickly etc. Racing isn't necessary to learn these things, but to be a good skier you do need to learn these things.

IMO there is a lot of carryover, and many, many times when you want ski racing techniques in your tool bag.

The more tools at your disposal, the more creative you can be

 

[Zimmy]

Knowing how to snap out of a short hard carve

the snap is very stressful on the knees. Wouldn't want to do it too often.

get out of the backseat quickly

racers are always in backseat imv and that's why they get burning thighs and the women have thunder thighs. Bindings are mounted to the rear of midline (and hands forward)... doesn't that say it all?

Racing isn't necessary to learn these things

The only thing that impresses me about racers in general is having the ability to handle ice. I mean because ice skiing is so much fun.

IMO there is a lot of carryover, and many, many times when you want ski racing techniques in your tool bag.

I can't disagree with you there, and you want the best tools at your disposal. But to think it's going to solve your problems and magically make your day fun is just wrong.

BTW in a recent Lentz video he "Ended up dislocating my shoulder and re-locating it midrun, then injured my elbow on the final crash."

Must be a lot of rider churn in BC comp year-in-year out.

In my view, anytime someone needs to purposely "control speed" show a deficiency in technique: the ultimate downhill biker should be able to remove their brakes. The ultimate skier should never have to worry about going too fast (or at least have that as a very minimal concern) but not be living off adrenaline either.

Good explanation of stacked position

That's a great video, my uncles used to ski like that - feet locked together. Great for short radius turns on pencil skis, and of course in moguls. I used to ski like that too. Kind of miss it.

 

[willysworld]

It ain't tough to see, just look around then practice. When you are quick edge to edge, and can ski fast and smooth and 100% controlled through any snow surface, you'll know you have it

I like airs and straight lining too, but you also need to know how to go from backseat landing to front seat hard, trenched carve to avoid people and obstacles... otherwise you're a danger.

A lot of park skiers with shit skiing skills get into rowdyish oft piste terrain and because they have big balls they send stuff and charge stuffwith... but not with a whole lot of control. It's kinda like giving a 16 year old a 400hp car and telling him to just have fun!!

What this guy said.. It is called freeskiing.. but certain fundamentals should be learnt in order to call yourself a truly good skier.

 

[Brocka_Flocka]

Look at Grant Howard, Martin Lentz, Max Durtschi, Logan Pehota, Andrew Pollard, Ian Borgeson, Chanc' Deschamps-Prescott, Taylor Pratt, Xander Guldman, Trace Cooke, and tell me young adults can't ski. I could go on and on.

Traveling with juniors on IFSA and JFT would blow your mind. They also all can ski park. Granted they are all from out west.

*Berkeley Patterson

 

[Paul.]

racers are always in backseat imv and that's why they get burning thighs and the women have thunder thighs. Bindings are mounted to the rear of midline (and hands forward)... doesn't that say it all?

Uh no, I think it actually says the opposite. Race skis are mounted farther back so there is more ski in front to lean forward on, you don't need much tail for racing cause you typically always want to be forward. Hands up/forward is meant to allow quick snappy pole plants that also get your body in a forward position. The reason racers have thunder thighs is because most of them train pretty hard and build their muscles, and trust me, burning thighs are waaay better than shin and toe bang.

 

[californiagrown]

the snap is very stressful on the knees. Wouldn't want to do it too often.

a lot of things are stressful in skiing. You know what hurts your knees more than snapping out of a turn? Hitting that Rick you didn't see...

racers are always in backseat imv and that's why they get burning thighs and the women have thunder thighs. Bindings are mounted to the rear of midline (and hands forward)... doesn't that say it all?

Huh? They have burning thighs cause they are in a tuck the whole time...

The only thing that impresses me about racers in general is having the ability to handle ice. I mean because ice skiing is so much fun.

youve never gotten out onto a face you though was corn or pow and realized it either hadn't signed or was wind/sun fucked? That happens in pockets on faces when ripping around too.

and yes, ripping around carving turns on ice iisfun. If you don't know how to do that it's probly terrifying... and you might want to learn haha

I can't disagree with you there, and you want the best tools at your disposal. But to think it's going to solve your problems and magically make your day fun is just wrong.

idk, the better I get and the more I progress the more fun I have. Even on days when I'm taking it mellow. Broader horizons man!

BTW in a recent Lentz video he "Ended up dislocating my shoulder and re-locating it midrun, then injured my elbow on the final crash."

Must be a lot of rider churn in BC comp year-in-year out.

In my view, anytime someone needs to purposely "control speed" show a deficiency in technique: the ultimate downhill biker should be able to remove their brakes. The ultimate skier should never have to worry about going too fast (or at least have that as a very minimal concern) but not be living off adrenaline either.

tgis is mind numbingly dumb. Could not be more ignorant.

That's a great video, my uncles used to ski like that - feet locked together. Great for short radius turns on pencil skis, and of course in moguls. I used to ski like that too. Kind of miss it.

See above

 

[profa_212]

Hey man, any specific video examples of this? I am a visual learner always trying to up my game in all facets of the sport so videos with timestamps would be appreciated

Yeah I Would Appreciate Some too. I'm gunna be competing in some big mountain comps, and while I definitely consider myself a 3+ skier....there is always some stuff to learn.

 

[MikeWeinerONE]

*Berkeley Patterson

Berkeley shreds for sure, Johnny collinson, seth klein. I could it's names for days but the junior takeover is happening and we have the best young guys coming up now that prove OP is wrong.

 

[MikeWeinerONE]

*Berkeley Patterson

Berkeley shreds for sure, Johnny collinson, seth klein. I could it's names for days but the junior takeover is happening and we have the best young guys coming up now that prove OP is wrong.

 

[hemlockjibber8]

Yeah I Would Appreciate Some too. I'm gunna be competing in some big mountain comps, and while I definitely consider myself a 3+ skier....there is always some stuff to learn.

The best advice I can give you is figure out line scores, ski energetically, don't make mistakes and make everything look fun (popping of stuff, don't look bored, don't look sketchy). You definitely need good technique but no one is really judging you like you are in a lesson. We want to see that you can work your skis and stay in control.

 

[californiagrown]

Berkeley shreds for sure, Johnny collinson, seth klein. I could it's names for days but the junior takeover is happening and we have the best young guys coming up now that prove OP is wrong.

Those are the cream of the crop, right?

I doubt he is talking about the guys who obviously rip.

Do you thing have a solid, instinctual foundation of good technical skiing is important to maximize enjoyment of terrain and skiing in general?

 

[Zimmy]

yes, ripping around carving turns on ice is fun

Great if you can do it, just don't lose it when you're at your "maximum fun" point.

Then you're gonna get grazed real bad at best. It's the hidden ice you've gotta watch out for on otherwise soft runs.

 

[Paul.]

Those are the cream of the crop, right?

I doubt he is talking about the guys who obviously rip.

He kinda is though...

The reason Adam Delorme, Tanner Hall, Seth, sage , Chris Benchetler ect. ski so well is their technical back ground .

What's going to happen to skiing when Candide etc. are too old to ski? Basic ski skills are dying..

I agree with OP that people should focus a bit more on technique but to say that basic skills are dying is a bit of an over exaggeration.

 

[MikeWeinerONE]

Do you thing have a solid, instinctual foundation of good technical skiing is important to maximize enjoyment of terrain and skiing in general?

Absolutely. I grew up as a ski racer until I was 20, yet always skied park also once it came around. Knowing how to control your edges is key in skiing. After racing I skied pretty much only park, now big mountain but i will still do follow cams on the biggest jumps and I'm 37. Coached and filmed these kids for a long time, and most kids that grow up out west are shredding the whole mountain, not just the park.

Aspen Spora for example would rather ride the Colorado super chair and rip through the woods (kid is insane outside park also), then end up at the top of the park at Breck, then only take the park chair.

So, yes I believe having fundamentals is huge, and I see a lot of kids that don't have those skills. However, there are lots of 14-16 year olds throwing dubs that destroy big mountain terrain already.

 

[willysworld]

Those are the cream of the crop, right?

I doubt he is talking about the guys who obviously rip.

Do you thing have a solid, instinctual foundation of good technical skiing is important to maximize enjoyment of terrain and skiing in general?

I am talking in general.. not the cream of the crop guys.. of course there are skiers like that Johnny Colinson and friends that shred soo fucking hard..

I'm talking about in general.. bad technique is becoming more and more common ..

 

[dan4060]

racers are always in backseat imv and that's why they get burning thighs and the women have thunder thighs. Bindings are mounted to the rear of midline (and hands forward)... doesn't that say it all?

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Racers are not in the backseat if they are skiing well, they are pressuring the tongues of their boots.

People who say that racing techniques are only valuable in a race course are completely incorrect. They need to talk to Jeremy Nobis.

 

[KravtZ]

This thread is mindblowing....yes there are freeskiers who can shred like none other....but its pretty easy.

Go to ANY park in the US (west or east especially the east) and just watch. Watch how fucking bad people really are...most park skiers aren't even that good at park lets be honest.

Than go and follow those same little clowns around the mountain. Its pathetic how bad most of these kids are. As good as it is freeskiing is blowing up and becoming more mainstream...its raising an entire generation of people who think being "good" at skiing involves hitting rails and spinning off jumps.

That has NOTHING to do with being a good skier.

 

[Rosbif]

Haha, Will, you're just getting old man. Everyone hates kids when they get to 30, it's ok

Let's be honest, the latest crop of kids out of freeride programs are murdering it in big mountain, so many just going straight to the FWT, and doing well there too.

 

[Zimmy]

People who say that racing techniques are only valuable in a race course are completely incorrect.

I've seen the types of dudes who charge piste all day on their Nordica Fire Arrows have the most brutal falls when they catch an edge. It'd be interesting to note how often that happens (like at the end of the day,) and what proportion lead to significant injury. 1 broken bone or bad sprain every 3 weeks?

You can't just take someone who spends most of their time on the race course and tell them to slay piste, just like you can't take someone who skis park most of the day to slay piste either.

For me, the worry and chances of catching an edge is the single most irritating thing about skiing like a racer, because when you're a good skier it can really mess you up, and you never really know when and where it's going to happen.

That's just me anyway.

 

[hemlockjibber8]

I've seen the types of dudes who charge piste all day on their Nordica Fire Arrows have the most brutal falls when they catch an edge. It'd be interesting to note how often that happens (like at the end of the day,) and what proportion lead to significant injury. 1 broken bone or bad sprain every 3 weeks?

You can't just take someone who spends most of their time on the race course and tell them to slay piste, just like you can't take someone who skis park most of the day to slay piste either.

For me, the worry and chances of catching an edge is the single most irritating thing about skiing like a racer, because when you're a good skier it can really mess you up, and you never really know when and where it's going to happen.

That's just me anyway.

I can't even tell if you're trolling... but... how can you even think that a racer can't just go to a groomer and slay it? Because all of a sudden, when you remove gates, they don't know what to do?

Catching an edge has nothing to do with 'skiing like a racer'. Catching an edge has to do with shitty technique, quite the opposite of 'racer skiing' in fact. Yes, skiing super sharp, snappy slalom skis can be terrifying and increases your chance of catching an edge but we are discussing technique and not ski choice.

 

[KravtZ]

I've seen the types of dudes who charge piste all day on their Nordica Fire Arrows have the most brutal falls when they catch an edge. It'd be interesting to note how often that happens (like at the end of the day,) and what proportion lead to significant injury. 1 broken bone or bad sprain every 3 weeks?

You can't just take someone who spends most of their time on the race course and tell them to slay piste, just like you can't take someone who skis park most of the day to slay piste either.

For me, the worry and chances of catching an edge is the single most irritating thing about skiing like a racer, because when you're a good skier it can really mess you up, and you never really know when and where it's going to happen.

That's just me anyway.

Just the fact that you say when you are skiing your biggest fear is catching an edge at any time.....this quote alone just shows how awful you really are at skiing and what an overinflated sense of skill you have.

Good skiers don't think about catching edges at all because it doesn't happen often. Racers can charge so dam hard especially on piste. The fact that you can't ski like a racer....IE you have bad form, bad body positioning, no edge control/matching, etc means you have a lot of work to do.

And being good at park isn't being a good skier....I would compare it much more to being a good gymnast than being a good skier.

 

[PeppermillReno]

If the only pair of skis you own are used to slide rails with you are going to look like a dickhead trying to ski anything steep and icy well unless you are an excellent skiier. Which most park skiiers aren't.

 

[Zimmy]

I meant to say you can't take your GS turns (even slalom) and ski like a racer all day on groomers.

Take for example "Peak to Creek - a 7km run....not a flat section in the whole distance." Even in the morning, after grooming and few people, you'll be tired as fuck by the bottom. Not that enjoyable. (Also, you can't just go straight down, you have to be turning the whole time.)

Then add people at 11am. That's a lot of mental overhead to choose a line to pass them, and not hit them like gates. No guaranteed S line. And what about lips where you can't see who is on the other side?

Then add moguls after lunch and even more people.

Then add poor light late afternoon.

Then add slush.

Then add fatigue, when you're most likely going to catch an edge (if you do.)

(and that's even without bad weather)

Catching an edge does and will happen if you're not absolutely on top of your game, especially at high speed, and when you do, you're toast.

So slaying groomers for 2 weeks straight is just not a viable thing. That's what I'm saying. You can arguably slay on a race course for 2 weeks straight, but not on groomers. You're gonna ruin yourself if not someone else. You certainly won't be enjoying yourself.

 

[MikeWeinerONE]

I meant to say you can't take your GS turns (even slalom) and ski like a racer all day on groomers.

Take for example "Peak to Creek - a 7km run....not a flat section in the whole distance." Even in the morning, after grooming and few people, you'll be tired as fuck by the bottom. Not that enjoyable. (Also, you can't just go straight down, you have to be turning the whole time.)

Then add people at 11am. That's a lot of mental overhead to choose a line to pass them, and not hit them like gates. No guaranteed S line. And what about lips where you can't see who is on the other side?

Then add moguls after lunch and even more people.

Then add poor light late afternoon.

Then add slush.

Then add fatigue, when you're most likely going to catch an edge (if you do.)

(and that's even without bad weather)

Catching an edge does and will happen if you're not absolutely on top of your game, especially at high speed, and when you do, you're toast.

So slaying groomers for 2 weeks straight is just not a viable thing. That's what I'm saying. You can arguably slay on a race course for 2 weeks straight, but not on groomers. You're gonna ruin yourself if not someone else. You certainly won't be enjoying yourself.

This is arguably the dumbest post I've ever read. Yes you can slay groomers all day like a racer. Yes you can slay off-piste gnarly terrain and jump off cliffs like a racer. Watch the FWT, go watch a western junior big mountain comp. you catch edges only with bad form and if your in the proper position and an edge does catch you will recover and not crash.

 

[SofaKingSick]

didn't read the thread, has anyone mentioned that im way better than all of you?

 

[Dddsz]

Jesus, you guys. There are more cocky, arrogant people in skiing than any other sport. The constant judgement of skiers by skiers is unacceptable. I experience it on chairlift rides and on NS. The people in this sport are fucking full of themselves. It's embarrassing.

 

[Zimmy]

you catch edges only with bad form and if your in the proper position and an edge does catch you will recover and not crash.

I think you're drinking you're own Kool-Aid (to a degree,) and part of the reason I'm not over at Epic ski.

Probably the best thing about ski racing is watching racers catch their edge and fall in competition. It happens occasionally and when it does it's funny. Seeing such mega try-hards fail. And that's from someone who doesn't laugh at other people's misfortune. If they're falling in comps, how can you say they're not falling on-piste (especially with the points I've mentioned above.)

I don't like watching backcountry footage that much because they create too much sluff and look like they're trying to out-ski an avvy.. because they are!! The best thing to come out of free-skiing is the tricks in BC that were non-existent 20 years ago.

 

[californiagrown]

SconnieThe constant judgement of skiers by skiers is unacceptable. I experience it on chairlift rides and on NS. [/quote]

Really? Maybe you're just very thin skinned, can't laugh at yourself, and are unable to accept objective criticism.

 

[willysworld]

Jesus, you guys. There are more cocky, arrogant people in skiing than any other sport. The constant judgement of skiers by skiers is unacceptable. I experience it on chairlift rides and on NS. The people in this sport are fucking full of themselves. It's embarrassing.

You obviously don't surf then do you.. Judgement in surfing is way way worse... If you suck at surfing you better get out of the line up or get smacked in the face.. Skiing is actually pretty mellow..

 

[kami]

Jesus, you guys. There are more cocky, arrogant people in skiing than any other sport. The constant judgement of skiers by skiers is unacceptable. I experience it on chairlift rides and on NS. The people in this sport are fucking full of themselves. It's embarrassing.

I actually agree with this somewhat as to start skiing you not necessarily but usually have to be from a family of wealth which once again not necessarily but usually means you have an air of arrogance about yourself thus with this and the culmination of it being a sport as sports no matter how "free" they are will still sustain competitiveness and cockiness makes it the most arrogant. "My dad only has 5 mil" This quote from the fight between those 2 skiers sticks out and has even become a meme on NS

In my opinion Henrik Harlaut is right, we have to be inspiaaaad and spread the good fundamentals, style, and love of the sport not be caught up in all the bullshit.

 

[californiagrown]

I actually agree with this somewhat as to start skiing you not necessarily but usually have to be from a family of wealth which once again not necessarily but usually means you have an air of arrogance about yourself thus with this and the culmination of it being a sport as sports no matter how "free" they are will still sustain competitiveness and cockiness makes it the most arrogant. "My dad only has 5 mil" This quote from the fight between those 2 skiers sticks out and has even become a meme on NS

In my opinion Henrik Harlaut is right, we have to be inspiaaaad and spread the good fundamentals, style, and love of the sport not be caught up in all the bullshit.

Why is having an opinion on skiing such a bad thing?

 

[kami]

Why is having an opinion on skiing such a bad thing?

Sorry I missed a main point in there because I'm a dumb kid. I was agreeing on the arrogance of the sport but this doesn't mean that the arrogance within it is necessarily a bad thing, hell our competitions are still mainly judgement based besides S.L.V.S.H. When I said don't get caught up in all of the bullshit I meant don't get stuck on one side of an argument and view it with fresh eyes and start cultivating these opinions and actually listen to what someone has to say so the love and progression of the sport can keep on growing.

 

[Paul.]

So slaying groomers for 2 weeks straight is just not a viable thing. That's what I'm saying. You can arguably slay on a race course for 2 weeks straight, but not on groomers. You're gonna ruin yourself if not someone else. You certainly won't be enjoying yourself.

Just gonna toss in this video I found by clicking a few links on your profile. Not sure why anyone wasted their time debating you, clearly the best skier on the mountains...