Backcountry Ghost Town Group Buy!

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Ghost Towns are sick! They are usually deep in the mountains, have a ton of unique structures for urban as well as big lines. Retallack is great example of how cool they are.

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We've all dreamed of having a private backcountry lodge, with epic 4 season recreation out the back door. Having been witness to the construction costs of a remote private lodge. As of now, I'm priced out of the market. The other pit fall is the maintenance(the house, the sleds, the boats, trails). You end up spending a million dollars to have a weekend getaway and spend all your time doing chores.

The idea of having a "Shared house" with a caretaker becomes much more appealing.

Ghost towns are a good starting point for doing it on a budget. The infrastructure is there, the sewer, the road, the bones. And the cost is pennies to the dollar compared to at a resort. And the experience would rival the local heli ops.

To make it work it would take about 20 people to buy in. Id be curious to know have the new school market would value the 1/20 share in ownership of a 4 season backcountry house.

Here's some inspiration for Ghost Town life:

[video]https://vimeo.com/79320700[/video]
 
We should make our own town kinda like in Valhalla and elect Doug Bishop as mayor.

Newschoolers, ID

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you could buy a house in New Denver (30 min drive away) and sled ski up there everyday?
 
13428113:jca said:
you could buy a house in New Denver (30 min drive away) and sled ski up there everyday?
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Ultimately yes. new denver, silverton, trout lake, cody, Bralorne, meadow creek. lots of good options.

With group buying power the opportunity becomes much more realistic and affordable. As most people can't afford to give up their jobs and current life to live the remote mountain dream. A fraction of the price, for couple weeks a year is feasible. Especially for the US buyer. with the CDN$ being so discounted.
 
Would you be opposed to everyone on newschoolers contributing a small amount and then have a whole NS town? Or do you just not think that many people would want to chip in. I would love to help out but like a lot of the kids on here, I still live with my parents and don't have much money. Hopefully if this happens though I will be out of school by then and able to fly out and help you guys.
 
how much we talking here? if its $10k upfront with $500 annual fees im in, right now. But pretty much only if its in the PNW area of the US or CA... and my name is listed as an owner on the title report.
 
I want in, but im in college and dont have excess funds to purchase a property. SO here is my proposition, pitch in as much as I can and in return I will do work, but will also be able to ski as much as I want.
 
It'd be cool but it would be very tough to make it happen. The biggest thing in my opinion is the people. A lot of people don't respect other peoples property, other people in general. While some people will be down to fix thing up, put in some money, work to make things nice and keep it going, plenty of other people will be in straight freeload mode or worse, break it because it isn't there's.

Obviously shit happens things break, but I'm talking about the people that are in that college mode kind of vibe. I wouldn't want to put in any effort or money into something unless there was some sort of plan for dealing with them peoples.

People have different skills. A lot of these things are doable, it would just mean getting a group of people together that believe in it and trust each other enough, and that's not so easy.

On this topic I always thought it would be cool to run a ski hostel somewhere.
 
13428947:theabortionator said:
It'd be cool but it would be very tough to make it happen. The biggest thing in my opinion is the people. A lot of people don't respect other peoples property, other people in general. While some people will be down to fix thing up, put in some money, work to make things nice and keep it going, plenty of other people will be in straight freeload mode or worse, break it because it isn't there's.

Obviously shit happens things break, but I'm talking about the people that are in that college mode kind of vibe. I wouldn't want to put in any effort or money into something unless there was some sort of plan for dealing with them peoples.

People have different skills. A lot of these things are doable, it would just mean getting a group of people together that believe in it and trust each other enough, and that's not so easy.

On this topic I always thought it would be cool to run a ski hostel somewhere.
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This. Realistically wouldn't work because a small amount of people being selfish would ruin it for the rest.

But honestly I don't think you need buildings or anything I think NS could buy a suitable piece of land for peanuts and have a conclave of 20+ cheap used RVs or old manufactured houses and if a well could be dug for water on the site an it wasn't too far from power the infrastructure would be there on the cheap.

But again you'd have a small selfish group of people who inevitably ruin it one way or another.
 
13429375:MCsugarcat said:
But again you'd have a small selfish group of people who inevitably ruin it one way or another.
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It could be semi-fixed though. You have a "landlord" probably the person who cares the most, maybe it can be voted on by the founding members and they have rule over everything to an extent.

Maybe it would work if you set it up like a cheap hostel or something, you pay your time there which covers cost to run everything + maintenance fees for the person who would be "working" there. It sucks a bit more, but it is better than the group buy/ time share BS. Those who help buy the place get to stay for free until their "pre-payment" runs out. So if you pay a grand you get to stay for a grands worth or something along those lines.

Also a ghost town might be hard to get into since you would have to convince historical societies that what you are doing is a good thing.
 
The lodging for the druids of Newschoolers. And Doug can hunt down and lock up banned members and feed them pizza and dirty ol ski socks
 
13429422:Poikenz said:
It could be semi-fixed though. You have a "landlord" probably the person who cares the most, maybe it can be voted on by the founding members and they have rule over everything to an extent.

Maybe it would work if you set it up like a cheap hostel or something, you pay your time there which covers cost to run everything + maintenance fees for the person who would be "working" there. It sucks a bit more, but it is better than the group buy/ time share BS. Those who help buy the place get to stay for free until their "pre-payment" runs out. So if you pay a grand you get to stay for a grands worth or something along those lines.

Also a ghost town might be hard to get into since you would have to convince historical societies that what you are doing is a good thing.
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This is pretty much what I was thinking would be the most realistic way to do this. If someone or a small group of people were down to run a hostel/lodge/RV hookups I think it could be a pretty popular place if done right.
 
Good feedback so far.

No doubt it would be popular. As the backcountry lodges in the area are booked solid while charging $1000 per day for cat or heli. $1000 per week for ski touring.

Ownership could be had for considerably less. As well as your purchase would represent a real investment not just a once in a lifetime vacation.

The way i see it working would be to have the lodge structured as an LLC, where investors are buying shares in the company. Shares would also give voting rights on decisions and progression of the lodge. As well as lodge availability.

To put some simple numbers on the model:

16 week ski season

10 beds available.

= 160 shares available.

With a share price of $3125, and a monthly maintenance fee of $10 per share. (financing would be available).

The purchasing power would be $500 000. with $19 200 annual generated for maintenance, insurance, taxes upgrades and utilities.

Beds that are unoccupied by shareholders, would be rented out for $25 per night. providing more revenue.

This is more than enough to make the dream a reality.

To touch of some of the concerns presented. property destruction would be absorbed by that maintenance fee. For larger problems (fires/vehicle accidents) insurance claims would be made. Punishment would be handled by deliberation and voting from the share holders.

The Sandon historical society has a lofty goal of $125 Million dollar restoration project. They are open to the idea of advancement, and purchased property would be free of strata regulations, so you can do whatever you want with the land/buildings purchased.
 
13428113:jca said:
you could buy a house in New Denver (30 min drive away) and sled ski up there everyday?
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13428168:SurfaceHoar said:
Ultimately yes. new denver, silverton, trout lake, cody, Bralorne, meadow creek. lots of good options.

With group buying power the opportunity becomes much more realistic and affordable. As most people can't afford to give up their jobs and current life to live the remote mountain dream. A fraction of the price, for couple weeks a year is feasible. Especially for the US buyer. with the CDN$ being so discounted.
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Buy my house in New Denver. 1block from the highway to Kaslo, and 2 blocks from Bigelo Bay.
 
13430586:Caucasian_Asian said:
Buy my house in New Denver. 1block from the highway to Kaslo, and 2 blocks from Bigelo Bay.
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how much land?

water/sewer/elec/gas situation?

whats the house like?

how much you want for it?
 
13430586:Caucasian_Asian said:
Buy my house in New Denver. 1block from the highway to Kaslo, and 2 blocks from Bigelo Bay.
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Cool. do you have a link?

But i'd rather be at elevation. Sledding literally right out the back down, without having to drive up the road.

The Brothel in the Solomon freeski Video is listed at $125k. It's 2 bedroom, and fully restored. It would be cool to have that history, but i think there are better options.
 
13430599:Caucasian_Asian said:
It's on four residential lots.

Electric heat and water heater.

Propane stove.

It's an old 2-bedroom bungalow.

We're asking 140k.
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pics.

what are the laws and taxes associated with american ownership of proprty?
 
13430504:SurfaceHoar said:
16 week ski season

10 beds available.

= 160 shares available.

With a share price of $3125, and a monthly maintenance fee of $10 per share. (financing would be available).

The purchasing power would be $500 000. with $19 200 annual generated for maintenance, insurance, taxes upgrades and utilities.

Beds that are unoccupied by shareholders, would be rented out for $25 per night. providing more revenue.

This is more than enough to make the dream a reality.
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If your math is correct you can definitely count me in.
 
13430620:californiagrown said:
pics.

what are the laws and taxes associated with american ownership of proprty?
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probably not that bad, considering pretty much half of Vancouver is owned by rich Asians.

But now would be a prime time to buy with the Canadian dollar so low.
 
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