kim_jong_ill
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I was looking at getting some BCA alpine trekkers for just a little bit of turing and I was wondering if anyone had used them before? Additionally, are there any other companies that make a better version of this?
Backcountry binding adaptor
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snowpocalypse
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We call them the Day Wreckers. They suck. Is there a better version? Yep proper set of touring bindings.
kim_jong_ill
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13574001:SVmike said:
They're that bad?
snowpocalypse
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Here's the deal. If you plan on going 2 or 3 small tours a year then fine, they will work. The deal is you are so high up off the ski that it puts a ton of extra stress on you gear and your body. Again if its short quick hikes fine. Just don't think this is a fix all.
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soup
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13574225:CTD said:
dude. how is this the first ive heard of these they look awesome! please tell us more!
to OP. ive used trekkers, they work. the day wrekker thing comes from the fact they break all the damn time, arent the most user friendly if you've never toured, and are really easy to keep slipping out on steep/sidehill tours. they work, don't buy them new, pick them up used, don't pay over $100 and if your thinking of paying over that, just get a guardian/duke style binding and safe yourself the hassle.
Hugh_Conway_jr
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13574225:CTD said:
Whats the difference between your product and an alpine trekker? It appears to be a very similar design.
kim_jong_ill
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13574225:CTD said:
Those look way better! I'm just looking for something for small hikes into slack countrry once in a while. Nothing too major.
CTD
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13574708:Hugh_Conway_jr said:
They are! The Daymakers are Identical in concept, worlds different in execution.
Just like high end mountain bikes use linkage driven suspension to provide stiffer handling, more efficient climbing and lower center of gravity, The Daymakers use our patent pending 4Bar tech to create a highly ergonomic walking motion that is more efficient than regular touring setups, and is massively stiffer and more durable than anything else on the market. Anyone who has struggled up a sidehill ascent with trekkers knows how critical torsional stiffness is.
Heres our feature video
And some shots of it in action
https://vimeo.com/147201310
kim_jong_ill
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13575095:CTD said:
When will they be available?
Pmoore
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13574001:SVmike said:
Oh what is that? Un backed up hate on a product that solves a lot of problems for a certain niche of people? Just cause they don't work for you doesnt mean they won't work well for someone else.
They are a great option if you like real bindings on the way down, hit a lot of jumps, or are strapped for cash/ # of ski setups.
Used mine for 2 full seasons now, touring more than 15 times both years, a little duct tape and paying attention to the screws before you tour goes a long way.
Feel free to hit me up with specific questions.
kim_jong_ill
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13575268:Pmoore said:
That fits me perfectly. I just want them for hikes to spots, shorter slackcountry and stuff like that. Where'd you get them? Also, do they work at all with boots that don't have the walking lock like most BC boots?
Pmoore
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13575276:kim_jong_ill said:
I actually bought them off of a friend.
They work fine without a walk mode, obviously the up hill is a little more work, and sidehilling can be a bitch but overall it is a better option for me because a fks setup on the way down is worth it for me.
Just make sure to ducttape the bar that goes over your toe and double check that all the screws are tight before you head out and you should be fine.
kim_jong_ill
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13575293:Pmoore said:
Yeah that makes sense. What do you mean by ducttaping the toepiece? Like so its taped to your boot?
kim_jong_ill
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13575301:Pmoore said:
Makes complete sense! Thanks for the help man
13575095:CTD said:
On mountain bikes, four-bar linkages are used to reduce pedal bob, maintain chain tension and improve rear wheel tracking over a single pivot. Do you have an explanation as to why you opted to go that route for a touring adapter where a single pivot seems to be a more efficient, simpler, and lighter design? Can you provide an example of the increased walking efficiency verses a traditional, single pivot design? They do seem much more torsionally rigid than Trekkers, so good work there.
snowpocalypse
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13575268:Pmoore said:
Did you bother reading my fallow up, I stated exactly why you would not want them or why they might work for you. That is backed up. Try reading!
13574108:SVmike said:
CTD
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13575329:KyleA said:
Hey Kyle,
Pedal bob= reduced efficiency. That's great you are so familiar with mountain bike suspension, alot of people aren't so simplified descriptions are easier to understand. Those are all nuances that some designs achieve more than others. The bottom line is a good linkage suspension is better than a good single pivot.
And yes, very much so. The single pivot IS the reason the trekkers are flawed. Also, it is a compromised pivot location that must work around the binding location. The four bar tech allows for a virtual pivot point inside the boot at the ball of your foot. Its much more natural. It also transfers the weight rearward, so when you step down your putting pressure through the bindings, not in front of the toe piece. This improves traction noticeably. The linkage is MUCH stiffer than any AT binding out there. You can carve a turn in touring mode if needed. It also allowed us to get the overall package much smaller than the trekker with a flat stack height that is about half the height of trekkers. This is great for flat approach tours. Because the pivot points share the load and are under much less stress than a single pivot, smaller diameter hardware can be used. Our existing prototypes are on par with Trekkers for weight, and we have been paring every ounce of extra material away for production. I am confident it will be significantly lighter than Trekkers. We are also exploring super light weight, super high end versions for the future.
Regarding the efficiency, Yes actually. Giray is a badass engineer and he has calculated and compared this design to existing products. It is all chicken scratch at this point but we will eventually publish the calculations. It is significantly more efficient and you can feel it.
Have you watched the videos in my previous post? once you see how it moves I think you'll be a belieber!
Thanks!
13576238:CTD said:ahh, i see why you were so critical, your with kitten factory! Sorry about your adapter!
Not sure what that is supposed to mean. I wasn't being critical, just asking why you chose the design you did. The market is flooded with marketing nonsense these days, it's nice to hear rationale behind ideas rather than claims.