Avicii

haha, i was actually trying to shed some light onto the fact that wasting time arguing over a subjective matter, such as musical aesthetics, not only makes you not cool, but makes you seem like a complete jackass.

tell me when did the qualifications of good music become any more then creating a pleasurable subjective experience?
 
i don't think you read the thread nearly as well as you think you did.

i've love avicii, always will. this "argument" started out of me making a very obvious comparison and then people disagreeing with me.
 
>Judging experience off where i have worked/am working - not sure if serious....

By no means am i trying to turn this into a pissing contest like yourself, but ill humour you just this once.

Started off working under a promotions team circa '98 in South London, which led me on to become a promoter myself a year and a bit later. Garage and Jungle/DnB scenes were in their prime, with dubstep just starting to bloom. All influenced me massively (enough to get me into producing). Playing around with friends decks, ended up buying my own around '02. Spun my first live jungle set a few months later, never looked back. Did that for a good few years (put most things on pause when i moved to NZ though).

To expand on what i said up top^...the most experience you can gain is being in the scene yourself, not by browsing the interweb all day searching for the "next big thing".

So, where have you worked?
 
Okay, makes sense. You really haven't worked anywhere big that deals with international music promotion and you live in a bumfuck nowhere country so your argument really has no substance behind it. I work at Live Nation and Capitol Records in Los Angeles.

I'm not trying to sit here and argue about why musical genres have lifespans, but they all do and this idea is crucial to the discussion. I see electro dying within 2-5years. Of course its not gonna die completely, some will still exist and deadmau5 will continue to be successful but will not sell out huge venues like he is now by that time. Fact of the matter is, you kids who love him now will stop wanting to party as much by the time you hit 26. As a musician, when your main fanbase who has followed you from the beginning hits this age, your career starts going downhill--mainly because your audience has less desire to see your show. Also, there is far less musical direction one can take because once the genre has fully developed most ideas have been done. take grunge rock for example. it started early 90s and was the hottest genre of that time period. Now nobody fucking buys that shit. and when it ended, It ended horribly. unfortunately, bands like nickelback and creed had to come through and kill it. and they killed it because there were not many other musical directions the genre could go, but into the ground.

Right now Electronic music is about to hit its peak if it hasn't yet. It is easily the highest demanded music of this generation and will drive this generation until it is done partying. Electro artists will not be able to do anything new after a couple years because 4-4 kickdrum only allows you to do so much, and that is a necessary element of the genre. the lack of rhythmic diversity does not allow the songwriter to expand as much as he can musically. The fact of the matter is, is that next generation will find other music to party to and electro artists are gonna run out of ideas. so don't get mad, just prepare for what happens to literally every genre of music that has existed.
 
I believe some styles of EDM might 'die out' within 2-5 years... I can already see genres like Dubstep going the way of the dodo soon enough as far as top club music, or at least evolving into more glitch-hop shit... but progressive house, trance and DnB? I don't think that stuff will die out anytime soon... all have been going strong for years now and that's because of the simplicity of the music. It's like punk rock... even when you THINK it's dead, it comes back in waves due to it's recycling nature, and general nonacceptance in the mainstream..
 
Yep i'd agree with this statement. I know i'll continue listening to EDM even when i'm an old ass. But that's just because we grew up in the era of it. Just like how my pops still listens to 70's rock and how my grandfather listens to Jazz.
 
Haha, are you fucking retarded? Did you just skip what i wrote and reply anyway? You have no idea who ive worked with kid. Ill be happy to provide a brief list of artists though if you want to look even more stupid.

And how does me living in NZ post-music industry work have anything to do with, well, anything? If you had actually read what i wrote, you would know the promo work ceased when i migrated.

What's your exact job description by the way? This should be entertaining...

Also, i find it amusing how an Americunt such as yourself is trying to play the nationality card.
 
you would have already named the artists you have worked with you lying piece of shit. go fuck yourself. I work in A&R and Marketing. Is that entertaining enough for you?
 
I hope so...im tired of all this midrange cack giving my genre a bad name. Lets take it back to the deep and minimal days.
 
Uh, what? Im a lying piece of shit because i haven't bragged about people ive worked with? Ok guy. I think im being trolled right now..

And i was more getting at what do you actually do on a daily basis for your job.

No need to get angry man.
 
if I have to explain what an A&R director does and what a Marketing rep does then you obviously have no idea how the music industry works. jesus christ you're fucking retarded.
 
>Implying that what's involved in a certain job description doesn't differ between job placements. Once again, not sure if serious....

I dont see why you cant just answer the question. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR DAY?

And why you so mad bro? Is it because you have realized you've finally been trumped in the experience department (like you fucking had any in the first place) so all you can resort to is repetitive blind hate and feeble insults? Is this how you normally get your non-existent point across?
 
I've seen Avicii twice so far at Ocean Club (fucking guido central) and at Identity Festival. He played the same exact set. He's only decent at producing, and much of his stuff isn't as original (almost all of his melodies are taken from something else), he also doesn't really make his own sounds. For example, if you have the Sylenth VST, use the Punchy Arp preset and voila you have Avicii's bassline (without changing anything AT ALL). As a producer it's frustrating in some sense because that's not really his work that he is using.

It's just frustrating that you start to hate music when people you hate start to like it for the wrong reasons. Because they don't really appreciate the music for what it is, but because other people like it, they don't understand the differences between genres or BPM or whatever, only just "Oh ya bro that shits dope". DERP

He is blowing up, making a name for himself, and making money, so I have to respect that. But as a producer myself I feel that there are many other producers that are not getting the attention they deserve.

Feed Me, Lazy Rich, Porter Robinson, Wolfgang Gartner, Adam K, Funkagenda, Felguk, Darth&Vader, Madeon, Chris Lake, DirtyLoud, Jack Beats ETC. All are better than Avicii IMHO.

For those of you saying EDM is at its peak, LOL. Kaskade was just on MTV (as lame as that it). And Deadmau5 just played a record breaking set in Toronto. Shits still blowing up. Go on beatport or soundcloud and listen to all the great artists that have yet to go big.
 
mmmmm good taste. Not really a fan of Madeon (well only his deadmau5 remix which i can't remember the title of). But other than that great list
 
I mean some of them have done progressive tracks (most I guess fall into the complextro/whateverthefuck genre). You can compare production skills across genre. But you are basically right.
 
Raise your weapon remix. Madeon was kind of a curveball in that list, but he is extremely gifted. I'm sure you've seen the Pop Culture mashup video (fan vid is also cool)
 
as far as production skills go, you're right. all the artists you listed are superior.

plus i think it's more difficult to make a good electro/hard house track than a smooth melodic housey track, especially when you don't make your own sounds.
 
im not mad, you are just a huge newbie who pretends to have experience. and ya A&R and concert marketing is the same everywhere dipshit. with all your "experience" you should know that.
 
you sound pretty mad. and you still haven't answered the question.

you're the one that's claiming experience you don't have, and we both know that.
 
For those of you who want some new electronic music to listen to. Here's a friend of mine that literally just started making music a few weeks ago. I like his stuff. Pretty good considering it's his first batch. The song "Rise Up" is probably my favorite.

http://soundcloud.com/scopicdj

 
apparently he's getting shit on for this track, i think its pretty dope

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Guiez I'm da next avicii

http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/2617911/file.html

Tracklist

1 - We Are Here to Make Some Noise - Armin Van Buuren

2 - Calm Down (Omnia Remix) - Cosmic Gate & Emma Hewitt

3 - Play it Back (Maor Levi Remix) - Gabriel & Dresden ft. Betsie Larkin

4 - See The Sun (Toby Hedges Remix) - Matt Darey feat. Kate Louise Smith

5 - Whispers - Ana Criado & Beat Service

6 - Easy - Porter Robinson & Mat Zo

7 - Mozart - Arty

8 - On a Good Day - Above & Beyond, Gareth Emery

9 - Coda - East & Young
 
You listen to the exact same music as my older brother.

I approve.

Omnia and Gareth Emery aren't too bad.
 
as a janitor no doubt.

this was a hilarious thread to read through. amazing how little someone can know about music and work in the industry.
 
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